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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=nasas-mission-to-bomb-the-moon-2009-06

Yes I realize the article is from June, but at the bottom it said that it was rescheduled to today, and apparently it's been rescheduled again to tomorrow (October 9).

The first thing that came to mind was that billions of dollars went into these machines. Billions of dollars is being launched into space in hopes of finding water under the moon's surface. Billions of dollars are going to explode with a chance that it will all be for nothing, and even if all does go well, the water will simply allow astronauts to be able to set up a base on the moon for scientific research. They never mentioned exactly how they would extract the water, which is definitely frozen. But it's not like that kind of stuff matters.

Anyway, I hope that I'm not the only one who is outraged by the fact that billions of dollars is essentially going to waste when it could be used to do something more pragmatic, like maybe filtering the water that's already on Earth so more people can have clean water, or provide aid to the hundreds of thousands of people who die every day due to preventable causes. I'm all for scientific advancement and study, but I don't think that it should take priority over people who are suffering right under our noses. We shouldn't worry about colonizing the moon when we have plenty of problems to take care of on Earth, especially since trying to colonize the moon would most likely cause more problems than it solves.

Just another reason why the rest of the world hates us.
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eh i'm not surprised about this....i wouldn't be outraged about this though. things like this (misusing funds for pointless things) have been going on for years & it'll continue sadly...
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mystic17 wrote:

eh i'm not surprised about this....i wouldn't be outraged about this though. things like this (misusing funds for pointless things) have been going on for years & it'll continue sadly...


Just because it's always been happening and will continue to happen doesn't mean we should just stop caring. That's the reason why it keeps happening: no one cares and no one's trying to stop it.
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mystic17 wrote:

eh i'm not surprised about this....i wouldn't be outraged about this though. things like this (misusing funds for pointless things) have been going on for years & it'll continue sadly...


Just because it's always been happening and will continue to happen doesn't mean we should just stop caring. That's the reason why it keeps happening: no one cares and no one's trying to stop it.


never said i didn't care so don't go by my comment. people have tried to stop things like this but i don't think it will help much since it constantly keeps going on today.
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I wonder if the court of Queen Isabella & King Ferdinand, or the people of Spain complained or whined about the money being spent to fund the trip of some wacky guy who claimed the earth was round, and he was going to go around the back of the earth to get to the orient to gather up some incredible spices?

Okay,you're going to have to forgive me my youth spent on the 1960's race to the moon. I was caught up in the excitement of science fiction becoming fact. I still get a rush with reports of returning to the moon. Yeah, I know it takes an incredible amount of money, man hours, resources -natural & technical- & I realize all of it could be spent on more practical things.
Just think for a minute. This huge land mass, known as North America, would have eventually been found, & the course of history would most likely be incredibly different. I, for one would not be here, or not anywhere at all-- or you, where or how would you be? If it's already going to happen, if the money's already been budgeted & spent, the launch date ( & back up date) is set, all systems are go, then why bellyache about it now? Let's be positive, even the uneventful NASA programs, or the failures, continue to provide us with incredible technological advances & gadgets. A space colony on the moon could certainly have advantages over one floating the earth in vulnerable orbit. The research gained in a more weightless environment may not make a big impact on the nightly news (they usually go over my head in tech-ese), but the advances are all around us & may just be the key to your survival this very moment.
Do the ends justify the means? Maybe we'll have to see what future historians have to say.
I'll put my money in space.
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never said i didn't care so don't go by my comment. people have tried to stop things like this but i don't think it will help much since it constantly keeps going on today.


By that same logic, no one should have ever fought for civil rights because people will always be discriminated against. Even if it will always happen doesn't mean we shouldn't try to lessen the impact as much as possible.
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By that same logic, no one should have ever fought for civil rights because people will always be discriminated against. Even if it will always happen doesn't mean we shouldn't try to lessen the impact as much as possible.


yeah i agree, but there's so much people can do since those who have more money & connections with other richer people [& somewhat power] can easily stop such actions.
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I wonder if the court of Queen Isabella & King Ferdinand, or the people of Spain complained or whined about the money being spent to fund the trip of some wacky guy who claimed the earth was round, and he was going to go around the back of the earth to get to the orient to gather up some incredible spices?


I'm sure they did. Even though those discoveries have led to (arguably) great things, does that mean we should ignore all of the other issues that that money could have solved at that time? Then again I don't think that people with money back then cared too much about the all the people who were dying and suffering to keep their pockets fat. That sounds a lot like how things are today, history really does repeat itself...


Okay,you're going to have to forgive me my youth spent on the 1960's race to the moon. I was caught up in the excitement of science fiction becoming fact. I still get a rush with reports of returning to the moon. Yeah, I know it takes an incredible amount of money, man hours, resources -natural & technical- & I realize all of it could be spent on more practical things.
Just think for a minute. This huge land mass, known as North America, would have eventually been found, & the course of history would most likely be incredibly different. I, for one would not be here, or not anywhere at all-- or you, where or how would you be? If it's already going to happen, if the money's already been budgeted & spent, the launch date ( & back up date) is set, all systems are go, then why bellyache about it now? Let's be positive, even the uneventful NASA programs, or the failures, continue to provide us with incredible technological advances & gadgets. A space colony on the moon could certainly have advantages over one floating the earth in vulnerable orbit. The research gained in a more weightless environment may not make a big impact on the nightly news (they usually go over my head in tech-ese), but the advances are all around us & may just be the key to your survival this very moment.
Do the ends justify the means? Maybe we'll have to see what future historians have to say.
I'll put my money in space.


I would have said something about it if I had known about it earlier, but it hasn't gotten a lot of attention from the media until this past week.

If it turns out that some valuable, useful resource that can benefit all of mankind is somewhere on the moon, then yes this would be a worthwhile endeavor. But is that risk really worth destroying our own planet and letting the people who are here today die off? Is it worth neglecting the myriad of other issues that we have today? I realize that it's important to think about the future, but when you think about it, all of the money that is going towards this could be going towards helping Earth's environment improve, helping to gain access to resources that are already on Earth, helping to keep a potential future world leader or influential figure from dying of starvation or preventable diseases. What's the point of investing all of our money into a desolate land at the cost of killing off our already dying land? What's the point of neglecting and destroying the world that keeps us alive for the sake of moving to another world that doesn't have all the resources needed just to keep us alive?

It saddens me that people will put their money into a potential failure, but not into something that has kept us alive for as long as we have existed and has allowed us to advance as much as we have today.
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It saddens me that people will put their money into a potential failure, but not into something that has kept us alive for as long as we have existed and has allowed us to advance as much as we have today.


Yes, I agree. There needs to be more responsible use of finances. I'm personally a little more worried by the projected spending and subsequent national debt in the US, if current trends or proposals continue & pass. If I remember right, NASA's budgets have continued to decrease in government funding & yet they are still producing & inventing & continue to positively contribute to the world with their innovations. I wonder if they're a bit more fiscally responsible than members of the US gov?
Why aren't you bellyaching about pork barrel spending in congress? There's a hell of a lot more money going to waste there than in the measly space program.
Time to bark up a different tree?
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Why aren't you bellyaching about pork barrel spending in congress? There's a hell of a lot more money going to waste there than in the measly space program.
Time to bark up a different tree?


I've always known that our government was wasteful with money, but it didn't really sink in until I read about this today. And since there's already threads about the war (wars?) and other ways they waste money, then I figured I'd post this up since it seemed interesting and different.

Plus, politics bores me, and this isn't really a political issue, even though that's what I'm connecting it to. Most people who are upset about this are more concerned about harming something as "sacred" as the moon rather than the funding that has gone into this project.
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Plus, politics bores me, and this isn't really a political issue, even though that's what I'm connecting it to. Most people who are upset about this are more concerned about harming something as "sacred" as the moon rather than the funding that has gone into this project.


Well, now. It's time for me to own up and apologize for my insensitivity. I suppose there are those with an interest in the moon beyond the scientific or astronomical ones. It's also good to be alert & cautious to potential pollution or wasteful use of the moon. I'm no scientist, & I have never been so intrigued with moon as to study it in depth. The environment up there, well there's not much to it, but what there is should be conserved for the very reason of its uniqueness.

But I still wanna know what's up there, & that requires a trip in space-- yeah!
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


farmbird wrote:
Why aren't you bellyaching about pork barrel spending in congress? There's a hell of a lot more money going to waste there than in the measly space program.
Time to bark up a different tree?


I've always known that our government was wasteful with money, but it didn't really sink in until I read about this today. And since there's already threads about the war (wars?) and other ways they waste money, then I figured I'd post this up since it seemed interesting and different.

Plus, politics bores me, and this isn't really a political issue, even though that's what I'm connecting it to. Most people who are upset about this are more concerned about harming something as "sacred" as the moon rather than the funding that has gone into this project.


There testing to see if there is water on the moon for future colonization projects. (there planning on building a port on the moon. to aid with are space defense agents Big rocks and big chunks of Ice.

I my self wanna see tax money go into space programs, in order to get the wheels turning to make cheaper better space crafts so we can spread out to other planets. 'The natural resources like rock mineral deposits that can be found on other planets will aid those that get there first at making a hug profit. There is money to be made in space, and those that get there first will get to make the claims for the best pieces of the pie.

I for one would love to invest in building a mining/farming colonization on Mars. cost a pretty penny but the return profit would be well worth the price needed to do it.
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mystic17 wrote:

eh i'm not surprised about this....i wouldn't be outraged about this though. things like this (misusing funds for pointless things) have been going on for years & it'll continue sadly...


Its not misusing funds they did it for the pursuit of knowledge, to see if the moon has water i dont see that as a waste of money. It was only 79 mill, cheap compared to the Apollo moon missions at 129 Billion. The experiment is vital to future missions in deciding whether or not any permanent moon bases can be established without the need to ship water from earth - an extremely expensive activity. Water is crucial of course for human existence and growing of food, but its presence on the moon would also allow for production of fuel and energy to maintain any colonies.
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Reminds me of that old show movie thing, where the moon is in pieces. And if they actually did this, they do realize the serious repercussions that will occur, right?
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If they found water, water pipelines would be extended from the moon to Africa's poor, let's be more patient!

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