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_Wasenshi_ wrote:

I think space exploration is fascinating but it should be put further down on the importance scale, there are many more productive things we could put billions into then space, I'm all for space exploration but I think we need to deal with some of the problems here on earth first. The countless amount of starving people all over the world are more important then investigating planets or building a moon base, or whatever else.


wrong...
.Well the moons resources is a constant unrestricted solar power that give enough power to not just run a city or moon base but all the power on earth as well, eliminating the need of fossilize fuels all together.

Its a power source that does not deplete till the sun it self goes red giant. at that time moon base will not be needed anymore. Because we all be dead. So will the moon!

Think how much we spend on fuel. For everyday life. Do you really think this cheaper yet cleaner power source in space is such a bad investment. It also makes for a good base for space exploration. after that we could start a base/city on mars. Not for a power source needs, but for a expanding populations, and exploration needs. (some day we will reach those other 50 earth like planets that we have spotted so far. 25 to 150 light years away. )

Sometimes steps and risk must be taken. In order for new advancements to take place, to better man kind.
Posted 5/21/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

I think space exploration is fascinating but it should be put further down on the importance scale, there are many more productive things we could put billions into then space, I'm all for space exploration but I think we need to deal with some of the problems here on earth first. The countless amount of starving people all over the world are more important then investigating planets or building a moon base, or whatever else.


wrong...
.Well the moons resources is a constant unrestricted solar power that give enough power to not just run a city or moon base but all the power on earth as well, eliminating the need of fossilize fuels all together.

Its a power source that does not deplete till the sun it self goes red giant. at that time moon base will not be needed anymore. Because we all be dead. So will the moon!

Think how much we spend on fuel. For everyday life. Do you really think this cheaper yet cleaner power source in space is such a bad investment. It also makes for a good base for space exploration. after that we could start a base/city on mars. Not for a power source needs, but for a expanding populations, and exploration needs. (some day we will reach those other 50 earth like planets that we have spotted so far. 25 to 150 light years away. )

Sometimes steps and risk must be taken. In order for new advancements to take place, to better man kind.


Yea but a lot of the money spent on space exploration doesn't go to what you just described so it's a waste of money, plus what you described will take forever to become a reality and who knows by then it might be too late...
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_Wasenshi_ wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

I think space exploration is fascinating but it should be put further down on the importance scale, there are many more productive things we could put billions into then space, I'm all for space exploration but I think we need to deal with some of the problems here on earth first. The countless amount of starving people all over the world are more important then investigating planets or building a moon base, or whatever else.


wrong...
.Well the moons resources is a constant unrestricted solar power that give enough power to not just run a city or moon base but all the power on earth as well, eliminating the need of fossilize fuels all together.

Its a power source that does not deplete till the sun it self goes red giant. at that time moon base will not be needed anymore. Because we all be dead. So will the moon!

Think how much we spend on fuel. For everyday life. Do you really think this cheaper yet cleaner power source in space is such a bad investment. It also makes for a good base for space exploration. after that we could start a base/city on mars. Not for a power source needs, but for a expanding populations, and exploration needs. (some day we will reach those other 50 earth like planets that we have spotted so far. 25 to 150 light years away. )

Sometimes steps and risk must be taken. In order for new advancements to take place, to better man kind.


Yea but a lot of the money spent on space exploration doesn't go to what you just described so it's a waste of money, plus what you described will take forever to become a reality and who knows by then it might be too late...
10 years program in NASA estimation.
a few Millionaires and scientist believe they can pull it off with 4 to 6 years with today's computer capabilities.
Plus Solar panels are easily made and cheap on the moon do to everything needed for them is on the moons ground in the form of moon dust.
within a year air food and any other resource will be self sustained so no new supplies will be needed. Space stations can be deflated and inflated, allowing them to carry entire buildings intact in a single unmanned rocket ship. We have devices that can take moon rocks and brake them down making both H2O And breathable air. Any other trouble do you see?

Also before I forget, We spend more money in two months cleaning up a oil leeks in the ocean than it would cost to send 30 rockets to the moon.
Posted 5/21/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

I think space exploration is fascinating but it should be put further down on the importance scale, there are many more productive things we could put billions into then space, I'm all for space exploration but I think we need to deal with some of the problems here on earth first. The countless amount of starving people all over the world are more important then investigating planets or building a moon base, or whatever else.


wrong...
.Well the moons resources is a constant unrestricted solar power that give enough power to not just run a city or moon base but all the power on earth as well, eliminating the need of fossilize fuels all together.

Its a power source that does not deplete till the sun it self goes red giant. at that time moon base will not be needed anymore. Because we all be dead. So will the moon!

Think how much we spend on fuel. For everyday life. Do you really think this cheaper yet cleaner power source in space is such a bad investment. It also makes for a good base for space exploration. after that we could start a base/city on mars. Not for a power source needs, but for a expanding populations, and exploration needs. (some day we will reach those other 50 earth like planets that we have spotted so far. 25 to 150 light years away. )

Sometimes steps and risk must be taken. In order for new advancements to take place, to better man kind.


Yea but a lot of the money spent on space exploration doesn't go to what you just described so it's a waste of money, plus what you described will take forever to become a reality and who knows by then it might be too late...
10 years program in NASA estimation.
a few Millionaires and scientist believe they can pull it off with 4 to 6 years with today's computer capabilities.
Plus Solar panels are easily made and cheap on the moon do to everything needed for them is on the moons ground in the form of moon dust.
within a year air food and any other resource will be self sustained so no new supplies will be needed. Space stations can be deflated and inflated, allowing them to carry entire buildings intact in a single unmanned rocket ship. We have devices that can take moon rocks and brake them down making both H2O And breathable air. Any other trouble do you see?



It's easy to say these things but until It's done I will not be so easily convinced, even if this does work it is subject to fault, putting all your faith in this is stupid because if it fails it's all just wasted time and effort spent. Humans desire to conquer knows no bounds so we head into space in an attempt to assimilate ourselves there and conquer the "final frontier." People are blowing this way out of proportions anyway, they watch too many Sci-fi movies and think we can just go and build huge structure on other planets and master space travel. It is impossible to send a human too far into space, the human lifespan is too short to allow them to get very far. To "master" space would take an eternity and we do not have that time.
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That is a lot later. Have you ever read any of Anne Mccaffrey brainship series. I think you would like it. its about a human mind being the instrument and personality of a ship. So the ship became alive, it can run it self, then the ship is suited with a captain known as a bronze, Who task is mattering his choice in job, the type of ship he was given, (also the ship picks their captain.) might be a explorer, a fighter with a battle ship, a scientist type, and more.

but it was a nice series. just about as good as Acorna's series.

Well, I was talking about a million years in the future.

If by "a lot later", you were referring to my own desire to download or copy my conciousness, I take it you don't agree with Ray Kurzweil's views.

As to the brainship series, I definitely recall reading at least one of those stories when I was younger. I don't recall if it was a short story or novella in one of my collections, or a full novel, however. I used to be a voracious reader of science fiction, but alas, age has cut my reading speed down to a mere fraction of what it once was.
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Getting back on topic, the moon is surely a fine frontier to explore. I can only imagine what we might find there besides resources. Maybe traces of other intelligent life left indications of their existence there. Not that anyone could have lived on such a small world with no atmosphere. The idea could be that some extra terrestrial race came by millions of years ago and hid something to be found. People even used to think the moon was made of cheese. I don't think we will be finding any dairy products there, though.


Shades of the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey!

Seriously, if I were part of an intelligent space faring species, and wanted to leave something behind for that primitive race on Earth to one day discover, the Moon would be a logical place to put it. With no atmosphere, it could last for millions of years, and if buried, it would not be found until that species had not only traveled to there, but began to colonize it and utilize its resources. Unless we lucked out, or they seeded a massive number of items, we would be lucky to discover one within a hundred years. (Of course, they could improve the odds by burying it in the place an intelligent species would be most likely to dig first).



If the moon was blown to smithereens, just imagine the chaos that would unleash. If it didn't directly harm the Earth, the loss of the moon would disrupt the ecosystem here severely. The tides wouldn't come in or recede, nor would the night sky have all its appeal.

Fortunately, humans are a long way from being able to accomplish that. Even if all the worlds nuclear weapons were gathered in one place, buried a mile deep, and detonated, the earth would still be here. In fact, it wouldn't even crack the crust. The energy of the world's nuclear arsenal pales compared to the calculated energy released by the impact that left the Yucatan crater (the impact that is associated with extinction of the dinosaurs). More to the point, look at the largest crater on the moon. The impact that caused that would make the world's combined nuclear arsenals look like a firecracker.


Solar energy is highly important, but do we need to deface the moon with our equipment? I bet some comity for the defense of the moon's natural state would be formed to resist anything happening to it. Or imagine some douchebags wanting to make the Man in the Moon's face happy-looking by "Terra forming" it. Cosmic face lifts aren't my idea of a good business venture.


How many structures on Earth can be seen from orbit? I doubt even a massive field of solar arrays with no space in between would appear as anything more than a dot on the Moon's surface. Frankly, if we are talking about using solar arrays to return energy to Earth, it makes more sense to build them in orbit (using either lunar or asteroid derived materials).

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Baka_Gaijin wrote:

Getting back on topic, the moon is surely a fine frontier to explore. I can only imagine what we might find there besides resources. Maybe traces of other intelligent life left indications of their existence there. Not that anyone could have lived on such a small world with no atmosphere. The idea could be that some extra terrestrial race came by millions of years ago and hid something to be found. People even used to think the moon was made of cheese. I don't think we will be finding any dairy products there, though.


Shades of the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey!

Seriously, if I were part of an intelligent space faring species, and wanted to leave something behind for that primitive race on Earth to one day discover, the Moon would be a logical place to put it. With no atmosphere, it could last for millions of years, and if buried, it would not be found until that species had not only traveled to there, but began to colonize it and utilize its resources. Unless we lucked out, or they seeded a massive number of items, we would be lucky to discover one within a hundred years. (Of course, they could improve the odds by burying it in the place an intelligent species would be most likely to dig first).



If the moon was blown to smithereens, just imagine the chaos that would unleash. If it didn't directly harm the Earth, the loss of the moon would disrupt the ecosystem here severely. The tides wouldn't come in or recede, nor would the night sky have all its appeal.

Fortunately, humans are a long way from being able to accomplish that. Even if all the worlds nuclear weapons were gathered in one place, buried a mile deep, and detonated, the earth would still be here. In fact, it wouldn't even crack the crust. The energy of the world's nuclear arsenal pales compared to the calculated energy released by the impact that left the Yucatan crater (the impact that is associated with extinction of the dinosaurs). More to the point, look at the largest crater on the moon. The impact that caused that would make the world's combined nuclear arsenals look like a firecracker.


Solar energy is highly important, but do we need to deface the moon with our equipment? I bet some comity for the defense of the moon's natural state would be formed to resist anything happening to it. Or imagine some douchebags wanting to make the Man in the Moon's face happy-looking by "Terra forming" it. Cosmic face lifts aren't my idea of a good business venture.


How many structures on Earth can be seen from orbit? I doubt even a massive field of solar arrays with no space in between would appear as anything more than a dot on the Moon's surface. Frankly, if we are talking about using solar arrays to return energy to Earth, it makes more sense to build them in orbit (using either lunar or asteroid derived materials).



wen one side of the moon is always facing the sun, and all that is needed to make them is on the moon. Its a lot cheaper to make the moon sunny side a solar field maby 100's of miles long in both directions. or longer.
we can beam the power to earth. We have the tech for that now. Don't forget the most expensive part about making solar panels are the Vacuum that you need. The moon is a vacuum.
Posted 5/21/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


Baka_Gaijin wrote:

Getting back on topic, the moon is surely a fine frontier to explore. I can only imagine what we might find there besides resources. Maybe traces of other intelligent life left indications of their existence there. Not that anyone could have lived on such a small world with no atmosphere. The idea could be that some extra terrestrial race came by millions of years ago and hid something to be found. People even used to think the moon was made of cheese. I don't think we will be finding any dairy products there, though.


Shades of the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey!

Seriously, if I were part of an intelligent space faring species, and wanted to leave something behind for that primitive race on Earth to one day discover, the Moon would be a logical place to put it. With no atmosphere, it could last for millions of years, and if buried, it would not be found until that species had not only traveled to there, but began to colonize it and utilize its resources. Unless we lucked out, or they seeded a massive number of items, we would be lucky to discover one within a hundred years. (Of course, they could improve the odds by burying it in the place an intelligent species would be most likely to dig first).



If the moon was blown to smithereens, just imagine the chaos that would unleash. If it didn't directly harm the Earth, the loss of the moon would disrupt the ecosystem here severely. The tides wouldn't come in or recede, nor would the night sky have all its appeal.

Fortunately, humans are a long way from being able to accomplish that. Even if all the worlds nuclear weapons were gathered in one place, buried a mile deep, and detonated, the earth would still be here. In fact, it wouldn't even crack the crust. The energy of the world's nuclear arsenal pales compared to the calculated energy released by the impact that left the Yucatan crater (the impact that is associated with extinction of the dinosaurs). More to the point, look at the largest crater on the moon. The impact that caused that would make the world's combined nuclear arsenals look like a firecracker.


Solar energy is highly important, but do we need to deface the moon with our equipment? I bet some comity for the defense of the moon's natural state would be formed to resist anything happening to it. Or imagine some douchebags wanting to make the Man in the Moon's face happy-looking by "Terra forming" it. Cosmic face lifts aren't my idea of a good business venture.


How many structures on Earth can be seen from orbit? I doubt even a massive field of solar arrays with no space in between would appear as anything more than a dot on the Moon's surface. Frankly, if we are talking about using solar arrays to return energy to Earth, it makes more sense to build them in orbit (using either lunar or asteroid derived materials).



wen one side of the moon is always facing the sun, and all that is needed to make them is on the moon. Its a lot cheaper to make the moon sunny side a solar field maby 100's of miles long in both directions. or longer.
we can beam the power to earth. We have the tech for that now. Don't forget the most expensive part about making solar panels are the Vacuum that you need. The moon is a vacuum.


Given that the Moon is as large as it is, it would take a collision from a freak happening like some kind of astral body from the deep fathoms of space suddenly careening into the Solar System, blasting it to Hell. I'd say that to destroy the moon, it would take maybe an object a quarter the size of it moving at a velocity of some thousands of miles per second. Or we create a hyperspace gate and the moon gets pulled into it. As Murphy's Law states; "anything that can go wrong, will go wrong."
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_Wasenshi_ wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

I think space exploration is fascinating but it should be put further down on the importance scale, there are many more productive things we could put billions into then space, I'm all for space exploration but I think we need to deal with some of the problems here on earth first. The countless amount of starving people all over the world are more important then investigating planets or building a moon base, or whatever else.


wrong...
.Well the moons resources is a constant unrestricted solar power that give enough power to not just run a city or moon base but all the power on earth as well, eliminating the need of fossilize fuels all together.

Its a power source that does not deplete till the sun it self goes red giant. at that time moon base will not be needed anymore. Because we all be dead. So will the moon!

Think how much we spend on fuel. For everyday life. Do you really think this cheaper yet cleaner power source in space is such a bad investment. It also makes for a good base for space exploration. after that we could start a base/city on mars. Not for a power source needs, but for a expanding populations, and exploration needs. (some day we will reach those other 50 earth like planets that we have spotted so far. 25 to 150 light years away. )

Sometimes steps and risk must be taken. In order for new advancements to take place, to better man kind.


Yea but a lot of the money spent on space exploration doesn't go to what you just described so it's a waste of money, plus what you described will take forever to become a reality and who knows by then it might be too late...


If beaming solar power to Earth by way of the moon sounds like lunacy, consider this: It could provide a clean, emission-free, and unlimited source of energy. And, according to David Criswell, a physicist and Space Age veteran, it could supply all needs of an energy-hungry world in the 21st century and beyond.

"We think of beaming power from the moon as exotic, but it has been done for at least 15 years," says Criswell, director of the Institute for Space Systems Operations at the University of Houston. "Power beaming is like using a big radar."

Criswell proposes a Lunar Solar Power System (LSP), using lunar materials to build bases on the moon to collect solar energy and convert it to microwaves, which would be beamed to a several thousand receivers around Earth. The microwaves would then be converted into electricity to be fed into local power grids.

Successful Earth-moon power beams are already in use, he points out in the current issue of The Industrial Physicist. A radio telescope operating from the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico regularly uses a beam of microwaves to produce images of the moon.

"In principle it is perfectly feasible."
most scientist agree on this.


Moon-Based Power Grid

The proposed LSP System would consist of between 20 and 40 power bases located on the eastern and western edge of the moon, as seen from Earth. Criswell estimates that in 2050, a population of about 10 billion would require about 20 terawatts of power.

The moon receives more than 13,000 terawatts of solar power, and harnessing just one percent could satisfy Earth's power needs


It is about time we start investing in are futures before it is to late for us or are kids to have a future.

Posted 5/26/10
I don't think America will ever bomb the moon. I think they will try to make the atmosphere suitable for humans so that they can turn it into one big end-to-end indoor shopping mall.
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I don't think America will ever bomb the moon. I think they will try to make the atmosphere suitable for humans so that they can turn it into one big end-to-end indoor shopping mall.


That not be good for a power needs the lack of a atmosphere is what makes it perfect for the all the power needs of earth.
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jandarujora wrote:

I don't think America will ever bomb the moon. I think they will try to make the atmosphere suitable for humans so that they can turn it into one big end-to-end indoor shopping mall.


That not be good for a power needs the lack of a atmosphere is what makes it perfect for the all the power needs of earth.


They'll find a way...
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They wouldn't do that...
... because the moon's gravity is a bog factor that keeps Earth on its axis around the sun...
without the moon... Earth would be thrown out of the solar system...and if that happens.. earth will :
1. Crash onto some Planet / Meteoroid.
2. Fly into the Sun.
3. Drift away from the sun, and Earth would be frozen.
4. You guys can think of more situation yourself... lol-ed

...And the final result would be the end of Human Races... or i should say... the end of the World..!!!!!


Which means... Nasas would most probably... not do it..!!!!
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shuyi000 wrote:

They wouldn't do that...
... because the moon's gravity is a bog factor that keeps Earth on its axis around the sun...
without the moon... Earth would be thrown out of the solar system...and if that happens.. earth will :
1. Crash onto some Planet / Meteoroid.
2. Fly into the Sun.
3. Drift away from the sun, and Earth would be frozen.
4. You guys can think of more situation yourself... lol-ed

...And the final result would be the end of Human Races... or i should say... the end of the World..!!!!!


Which means... Nasas would most probably... not do it..!!!!


Lol, the moon is going to eventually leave earths orbit, every year, the moons orbit increases a little, eventually its going to have increased so far out that the earth can no longer keep it bound to it, and the moon is going to get flung out into space.
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