Are American Adults Afraid of Helping Each Other in Violent Situations?
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Are American Adults Afraid of helping each other in violent situations?

why? does this hurt American society? How can this be improved?

This thread is a direct response to this.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-565454/an-honor-student-beaten-to-death/?pg=0

So a student was beaten to death, no one stepped in to help, no kids or adults.And no deadly weapons were involved...

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2009/10/05/mother-of-slain-chicago-teen-says-adults-are-afraid/?icid=main|aim|dl5|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bvblackspin.com%2F2009%2F10%2F05%2Fmother-of-slain-chicago-teen-says-adults-are-afraid%2F

Albert is the mother of Derrion Albert, the Chicago honors student who was killed recently when he was hit in the head with a railroad tie and then stomped and kicked as he lay injured during a fight just blocks from his high school. The 16-year-old was a good kid who some say was trying to help out a friend or just happened to walk into the middle of a melee.- from 2nd link

"I believe they are afraid. If these kids are beating kids in school with sticks, what do you think they are going to do to a woman trying to take her bags and stuff out the car. I'm afraid. I'm scared of standing out on the porch," Albert said when asked by CNN's Don Lemon about the role adults could have played to stop this tragedy. -2nd link

Why should we fear sitting on the porch in our own communities, bringing groceries from the car or (dare I say it) disciplining one another's kids.-2nd link

Now I'm not saying that we should run to the corner and wrestle the gun from a drug dealer's hands, but adults need to get themselves together and take control. Adults had to know that the fighting at Derrion Albert's high school was a chronic situation. An adult should have been there to yell, "Put that board down. Take your behinds home."

We need adults to intervene in young people's lives before they pick up a gun or a board.
-2nd link

After tragic events like this, we always hear about how there aren't enough after-school programs or how we need better schools or more police presence. We should come together first and then the resources to deal with the problem will line up behind us. In fact, these resources are not going to come close to solving the problem unless parents, relatives, neighbors and friends step up.

President Obama is sending U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to Chicago Wednesday to talk about the violence there.

I hope this is the message he delivers: "We will provide resources, but the most important resource is you, the parent."
-2nd link

She is amazed, as we all should be, that no one stepped in to help her son until it was too late.-2nd link

to reinterate- Are American Adults Afraid of helping each other in violent situations?

why? does this hurt American society? How can this be improved?

all i did was pull info from the article, to summarize it's most important parts.

i believe if we become a more aggressive/fighting based society, people would be more willing to

A) get in fights at school without the use of guns

b) not be so cowardly as to let your fellow man get beaten by a bunch of unarmed punks

c) not blame the police for ALL of your troubles and all of the crimes

This may sound farfetched, but wasnt america like this in the 1950s? I dont remember hearing about guns in the schools there...people werent as afraid of leaving thier house...they respected athority a lot more...ect. ( as if i was born in that time )

So what are your thoeries or thoughts on this? And screw political correctness, tell your deepest thoughts, even if they are unpopular, lets get to the root cause of American's fear of real life violence.

NOTE TO MODS= i know i have created 3 to 4 threads all centered on this concept, if you have to lock any of them, then leave this one alone and lock the others.I wanted this one to go into detail about this weakness of American culture.I thank you in advance peace over war





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It's not just Americans or adults, pretty much everyone who doesn't encounter violence on a daily basis would be freaked out by this, and even people who do see it every day are afraid of it.

It's pretty dumb to assume that people wouldn't use guns if we were all trained to fight. No one used guns back in the 50s because they weren't as easily available as they are today, nor were they as easy to use. The only people who weren't afraid of leaving their houses were people who lived among their race. If you were white and lived near other minorities back then, chances are you would be freaked out by them, and if you were a minority living around whites then your chances of getting beaten/lynched were pretty high. People didn't respect authority back then any more than they do now, they were just more oppressed back then.

Just because the use of guns hasn't always been popular doesn't mean that everyone used to be honorable trained martial artists. Humans have always been cowardly, before guns they had mobs and torches and pitchforks.
Posted 10/8/09 , edited 10/9/09
As an amateur boxer and mixed martial artist, I also became a self-taught amateur social scientist due to my passion about working with youth programs. So I can understand where you're going with your ideas on an aggressive approach. However, I'm not entirely agreeing with your method, when I think there are more positive and proactive alternatives to empower ourselves and our youths.

The main issue here is hatred born from self-pity. For our children, self-pity is a natural mental defense mechanism for them to seek protection from others who are strong. Whenever they're emotionally frighten while they're physically weak. But as they mature into adulthood, they should be strong enough to fend for themselves at least. And when they can manage to do that while they can sustain a stability within our society, that's when they have the right environment for raising their children. However, if they didn't manage to cast away their childish self-pity when they became adults. That's when they learned how to hate themselves for their weaknesses, and they ended up hurting themselves and each other due to their hatred. Ultimately they would even hate themselves for being hurt due to pain, and they will avoid from the their pain of them growing up because they don't want to hurt themselves.

I'm going to draw from my own personal experience on how and what I learned from me letting go of my hatred, when I learned how not to pamper myself with my self-pity. I learned the important lesson of tolerance when I became a very easy-going and selfless guy, while I still clearly know my likes and dislikes. All in all, I would say the learning experience made me a better man without me competing with others to prove to myself otherwise. Not even with my boxing and mixed martial arts. That's the Jujitsu's philosophy of "true victory is victory over one's self" working in real life. When I know myself too well that if I truly hate something or someone, I won't even bother with arguing when I would much prefer the direct approach of "mama said knock you out".

When true mastery of control is direction and flow, I want to be a community youth program developer, so that I can create youth programs that will mature our youths to be strong with hard works and guts. But leave their violence and hatred behind, along with self-pity. I envision a positive recreational framework and environment, can direct a proactive peer support that can flow among our youths. Because I do appreciate performance arts and creative writings. For they are vital when it comes to how individuals can create their identities with creative expressions.

So is this something that's what you had in mind?
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Its not just Americans but people in general, their are some that if they were to see an incident occurring they may or may not do anything.
Everyone is not a hero dont expect to be one, just ask yourself in witness a rape, violent beating etc. What would would you do? Would you interfere to protect that person despite the danger? Can you make that sacrifice, will you? Dont blame Americans, you opinions of Americans is warped by the gossip you hear from others.
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