Dietrich Bonheoffer
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Very recently I created another thread that, as of this moment, is actually still on page one of the extended discussion forum archive. I’m talking about the peculiarly titled “Pregnant Mothers are Hermaphrodites.” The thread argues that if A is a part of B and B is a part of C then A is a part of C, thus if a male fetus is a part of its mother, and the phallic organ of the fetus is a part of the fetus, then the mother has a penis. However, on the first page of this discussion Yei linked me to a documentary called, “The Lake of Fire,” and then proceeded to make the following statements:


In the documentary Chomsky makes the awesome point that the people who are so extremely against abortion are usually not fighting just as hard to save children all over the world dying from very preventable causes, they're not supportive of more foreign aid, they don't do anything about all the orphaned and suffering children already born in the US, they're not against war, they don't fight for woman's rights and education... etc. They should be fighting for these issues even harder then they are for banning abortion,



So many of the people who are strongly against abortion…are just against it because they want to be against something. In reality they have no solid values and don't understand the issue, and there's no point arguing with them.


Now, Yei is an awesome person with whom I hope to continue a wonderful conversation in the other thread. I’m not attacking anyone, but the two of us did not pursue this topic. We were pre-occupied with the issue of abortion to talk about the people who make it an issue, be they pro-life or pro-choice.
So, here’s the question. Why should pro-lifers put so much effort in to the pro-life agenda?

Well, I think there are several reasons. In the words of Dietrich Bonheoffer, “They came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Gypsies, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Gypsy. Then they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then, when they came for me, there was no one to speak up for me.”

We started with early term abortions in scattered states. With Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton we expanded that to mid-term abortions in every state. Since then we’ve began partial birth abortions. As I said in the other thread, the idea that this may one day work its way to infanticide seemed silly to me until very recently. I had noticed that, as in my discussion with Yei whenever you get into a debate with a pro-abortionist they usually wind up making the statement that an infant isn’t the moral equivalent of a fully developed adult, but that doesn’t mean they support infanticide. Yet, there is in fact a movement for infanticide that’s gaining momentum. Peter Singer and his followers, for example, do support circumstantial infanticide. They say it’s for the child’s best interest. Whenever the child is retarded, has a birth defect or is simply born into poor family.

The next step then would be to eradicate all the mentally handicapped people, and then all the poor. After all, the environments that they live in, the situations that they’d be thrust in…what compassionate person could condemn a child, a retard, to such a lifestyle? And if we can abort children to keep them from living a life as an unwanted son or daughter why not abort infants? They’re not as sentient as an adult. Most of them tend to fail self awareness tests. And if we can abort infants why not retards? They’re not as mentally developed as us, and it is our mental development that gives us our moral significance….and what about poor people? That’s all in their best interest….just like with the fetuses we’re abortion because the mother cannot afford ‘it.’

There are quite clearly other reasons. But this is just one. So, why should pro-lifers care about protecting fetuses when there are so many other issues out there that need to be addressed?
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I think pro-life people should speak up not only because abortion is a morally depriving poison to society, it is also murder. It is an injustice to the unborn who have no voice to speak. The world is slowly undermining the sanctity and value of life and individuals in order to do "what is best" financially or for the community's ease. We make the judgement that a retard isn't worth living, we say it's compassionate to murder a newborn if it isn't the way we want it to be. We murder children in the womb because we don't want the responsibility or financial burden they might impose on us.... We are essentially negating an individuals self worth and imposing on them their value based on what we believe it to be. If a doctor were to kill a baby that is unwanted we call it an abortion, if a doctor kills a baby that is wanted then it is murder. We impose upon individuals what they are worth and we make the judgment of whether or not they are worthy or merit life. This undermines the value of life and is worse then slavery. Most would object and say that slavery is morally wrong because people are individuals and not property. How much greater is the injustice to say that someone is not worthy of their life because of a birth defect or mental retardation, or even worse, because we simply don't want to pay for the person or simply don't want it? It's crucial that pro-life individuals speak out against this injustice not only for the sake of the unborn, but for the sake of society and individualism.
Posted 10/16/09
I fought hard for my individuality, my self-worth, my identity, and most of all my purpose in life. So why should I deny others for what's rightfully theirs that I fought so hard for myself? When I couldn't experienced a fuller life if it wasn't for my constant struggle to improve myself.

And thus, my best interest which became my purpose in life automatically becomes my passion for others; their chance to fight for their individuality, their self-worth, their identity, their purpose in life.

Therefore life is good, when it perpetuates life itself to continue its existence. If we take away that opportunity by breaking any part of that cycle, then we instantly begin devaluing life from its vary nature.

A global community that can sustain life itself? Count me in. When my passion is to make today's youths stronger no matter who they are, through community programs that's based on wellness lifestyle teachings and positive psychology. Which BTW are both pro-life institutions.
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Of course Chomsky wasn't referring to ALL pro-life people, and I wasn't either. Did you watch the documentary? That Peter Singer guy is in it.
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Yei wrote:

Of course Chomsky wasn't referring to ALL pro-life people, and I wasn't either. Did you watch the documentary? That Peter Singer guy is in it.


Oh, Yei, you know how I long it takes me to actually getting around and watching documentaries…
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