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Posted 10/17/09
Off all the Lieutenants in Bleach, who do you think is the strongest? Who do you like the most? Who do you think will one day become a captain?

Here are the Lieutenants:

1st Squad: Chōjirō Sasakibe
2nd Squad: Marechiyo Ōmaeda
3rd Squad: Izuru Kira
4th Squad: Isane Kotetsu
5th Squad: Momo Hinamori
6th Squad: Renji Abarai
7th Squad: Tetsuzaemon Iba
8th Squad: Nanao Ise
9th Squad: Shūhei Hisagi
10th Squad: Rangiku Matsumoto
11th Squad: Ikkaku Madarame **
12th Squad: Nemu Kurotsuchi
13th Squad: Kiyone and Sentarō***

**Yea I know Ikkaku isn't a VC but he pretty much is their VC.
***They don't have a VC in squad 13. After Kaien died, they didn't replace him. Kiyone and Sentaro are both the 3rd seat though.
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The only ones that are close enough to having the potential would be Ikkaku, Kira, and Hisagi. Out of those three kira may have the best chance. Ikkaku has too much pride, Hisagi is repulsed by his zanpakutou, and Kira just needs to get some confidence in his abilities and get past Gin's betrayal. Also Ikkaku has to be able to at least tie kenpachi in a fight otherwise he would rather follow the strongest because he feels a slight unworthiness.

Now I know there are a lot of Renji fans out there who are gonna disagree with me but I really cant see him as a captain. i dont think he has the capacity to lead. He is simply to emotional in my opinion. His kidou skills are very weak. He is also just too much of a follower. Also do I even need to mention his fighting record? He simply just needs too much work to iron out the wrinkles. Besides I just cant see him having enough of a mindset to lead and organize a squad in battle.

Kotetsu may have potential to take over 4th squad someday due to her medical training but not much of a fighter otherwise.

Saskibe I would actually have to see him do something before I could even consider him.

Omaeda, well you'd have to be on crack to say anything good about him, other than looks can be deceiving.

Hinamori just doesnt have the heart for the tough decisions.

Iba hasnt really done anything either.

Ise isnt much of a fighter unlike Risa before her.

Matsumoto is too much of a lush.

Kurotsuchi is nothing more than a puppet slave.

If Kaien was still around Id give him the thumbs up but as for the two left in the 13th squad again youd have to be nuts.
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Posted 10/18/09
The problem with a lot of these VC's is they're really good at one thing and then horrible at everything else. Captains, other than Kenpachi, are really well rounded and very powerful.

Take for instance Ikkaku. He's a highly skilled fighter but he can't do anything else well. And frankly his fighting record isn't the greatest. Same thing with Renji. I completely agree with Nameless. The guy loses endlessly. He's strong willed in a fight but other than that, he's not all that great. He can't do kidou, and is just too emotional. Matsumoto is just a drunk lol. She's funny, I like her, but she'll never be a captain. Her strength level seems so low too. I like Hinamori but she's mostly just really good at Kido and lacks strength. Not to mention she's so unstable, too emotionally involved. Kurotsuchi isn't even real lol. The 3rd seats from the 13th squad...no comment lol. Kaien would definitely be a possibility if he were alive. Ise doesn't do anything. I don't think she's even drawn her sword once. In that aspect she's unlike Lisa. Isane seems really high skilled in healing/Kido in general so she could one day take over the 4th Squad, I could see that. With the 4th squad, you don't have to be godly in power. With Hisagi, idk. I like Hisagi a lot but he hinders himself sooo much. He has everything you need to be a captain except a bankai and as I've said in other threads, I don't think he'll ever obtain it simply because he hates his sword. He won't even go Shikai unless he's on the verge of death cuz he hates it that much. Omaeda's a joke. Same thing with Sasakibe. With Kira, he's pretty good all around like Hisagi. He needs to work on his confidence though as Nameless said. He's great with Kido, and at times has been shown to be quite powerful. I use to hate him because he just seemed so weak but as the series has gone on, I've seen him get a lot more badass and I actually like him now. Iba, idk anything about Iba. Ikkaku says that Iba is an all around fighter and good at everything. But we never really see him do anything. I'd like to see his true strength before assessing him.


As for which one i like the most? Umm, I'd probably say Hisagi. I like Matsumoto a lot but that's mostly cuz she's funny. I like Renji and Ikkaku too both for comedic purposes as well lol. Half the VC's I like, the other half I don't care for at all.
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Posted 10/18/09
Ill go along with you except on the Ikkaku part this time...

His squad is against using kidou but that doesnt mean that they are no good at it. Remember Ikkaku still went through the academy to be seated so he knows it but we just dont know how well.

As for his record, well he is bull headed and likes going after the strongest. So like a sports team you have to look at who the schedule is against to see the quality of the team. Unlike Renji who as far as I can remember hasnt really faced anyone super strong except Ichigo and Byakuya and both times he failed in a steller manner. Ikkaku has only barely gotten defeated and that was by the whale espada (and his inital loss to Icihigo and Kenpachi). I also see that as iffy simply because he didnt go bankai. So other than loosing to two people with captain level powers and the one espada I think hes got a good fight record.
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Yea, you're right. I ca't argue that. Kidou is generally frowned upon in the 11th squad so no one uses it. he could actually be good at kidou.

I was a bit harsh on Ikkaku considering the people's he's fought:

(L)Ichigo
(L)Kenpachi
(ND)ba (A clear winner isn't shown)
(W)Edrad (Arrancar 13)
(L)Luppi (Number 6 Espada)
(L)Poww (Barragon's Fraccion)

He has a lot of losses but his opponents have been pretty strong people. I respect that he doesn't go bankai in fights unlike Renji, Ichigo, and sometimes Hitsugaya, who practically instantly go bankai the moment they fight someone. At the same time, he really has to go bankai if his opponent requires it.
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Posted 10/19/09
Thats exactly why I said he needs to swallow his pride. Thankful this is something TK partially addresses when he has his loss to Poww. Iba gives him a good lecturing about it while his captain goes bankai to fight Poww. Maybe itll be his wake up call, maybe it wont. Either way if he swallows his pride and makes some beter tactical decisions he could be something great until the, well we will just have to enjoy the fiesty bald guy who doesnt get near enough screen time.
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Posted 10/20/09
Random memory, actually Ikkaku is bad at Kido. He says it during his fight with Iba that he's not good with Kido at all. lol random memory

But yea I think that in future fights, he'll take Iba's advice. And honestly, the power level of their opponents keeps growing, people can no longer hold back.
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Posted 10/20/09
I think Hisagi is the strongest..

He's cool and very reasnable.

Excellent with kido..

Has magnifficent Zanpakuto - Kazeshini...

and the only problem of him being Captain is he hasnt reached bankai....

Kira is my # 2 choice- very similar to Hisagi's qualities + he has healing abilities

Iba- san - my 3rd.


All girl vice-captains suck in my oppinion.....
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Posted 10/20/09
I like Hinamori. She's excellent with Kidou. I think she's better at it than Hisagi. And a Zanpaktou that shoots fireball, how cool is that? XDDD

My next favorite is Hisagi. Why? He's hot, reasonable, man of justice and has a purple hair (or violet perhaps), which is my favorite color. lol And a like his Zanpaktou too. A scythe. :3

Hmm.. We are yet to see Yachiru fight. But I do know she's very fast.

Strongest: Probably Hisagi or Kira or Yachiru (MAYBE)
Weakest: Omaeda
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I like Kira. He's depressing but he can fight.

Matsumoto is hilarious xD. I just wish she'd get over her boobs -.-

Renji is skilled and just someone who everyone likes =].

I hate Hinamori. She's so whiny.
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Posted 11/30/09
Do you all think that we'll ever see Yachiru fight? I always wonder about her. Looking at her appearance and her personality, you wouldn't think much of her. However if you think about her always being around Kenpachi and not being affected at all, that says a lot about her inner power. Most people that aren't powerful, struggle just being in the presence of Kenpachi when he's at his peak (eyepatch off). She just stands there like it's nothing. Completely unaffected. She's really fast and has been shown that although she is small, she's rather strong (she was able to pick up a much larger Kenpachi and bring him to safety).
Posted 4/22/10
Renji?
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I'm going to say renji because when it goes down he's always somewhere fighting just as much as ichigo. So many battles you cant help but to get stronger.
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i think shuhei hisagi possess most of the qualities i would expect in a captain. he may or may not be the strongest, but he seized the opportunity to kill his former captain, who he highly respected, without hesitation. some of these other vc's almost worship their captains and that is a weakness imo. hisagi is on his way to becoming stronger and already has the maturity.
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Shuhei is most suited because he is well-rounded. He only needs his Bankai
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