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What is "Truth"?
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Posted 11/2/09

DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

That is the million dollar question. If anyone could actually answer that correctly I swear they must be Jesus....
or Mohammad
or Allah
or Buddah
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
or Einstein's and Steven Hawkin's test tube baby

Then again aside from faith and logic there's another method in finding truth that I'm learning about in my philosophy course called hermeneutics. It's explained fully by Gadamer in his book "Truth and Method"


I hate you. I don't have anything like that in my college curriculum

That didn't stop me from going outside of whatever institution that confined you.


So serious.
Posted 11/2/09

leviathan343 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

That is the million dollar question. If anyone could actually answer that correctly I swear they must be Jesus....
or Mohammad
or Allah
or Buddah
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
or Einstein's and Steven Hawkin's test tube baby

Then again aside from faith and logic there's another method in finding truth that I'm learning about in my philosophy course called hermeneutics. It's explained fully by Gadamer in his book "Truth and Method"


I hate you. I don't have anything like that in my college curriculum

That didn't stop me from going outside of whatever institution that confined you.


So serious.

That's what it takes for me to arrive my brand of truth; the effort and guts to challenge and explore it. For if I don't take myself seriously, then who else will?.
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Posted 11/2/09 , edited 11/2/09

DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

That is the million dollar question. If anyone could actually answer that correctly I swear they must be Jesus....
or Mohammad
or Allah
or Buddah
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
or Einstein's and Steven Hawkin's test tube baby

Then again aside from faith and logic there's another method in finding truth that I'm learning about in my philosophy course called hermeneutics. It's explained fully by Gadamer in his book "Truth and Method"


I hate you. I don't have anything like that in my college curriculum

That didn't stop me from going outside of whatever institution that confined you.


So serious.

That's what it takes for me to arrive my brand of truth; the effort and guts to challenge and explore it. For if I don't take myself seriously, then who else will?.


I make an off-hand joke about classes at my university, you turn it into some type of crusade. Well, good luck on your journey.
Posted 11/2/09 , edited 11/2/09

leviathan343 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

That is the million dollar question. If anyone could actually answer that correctly I swear they must be Jesus....
or Mohammad
or Allah
or Buddah
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
or Einstein's and Steven Hawkin's test tube baby

Then again aside from faith and logic there's another method in finding truth that I'm learning about in my philosophy course called hermeneutics. It's explained fully by Gadamer in his book "Truth and Method"


I hate you. I don't have anything like that in my college curriculum

That didn't stop me from going outside of whatever institution that confined you.


So serious.

That's what it takes for me to arrive my brand of truth; the effort and guts to challenge and explore it. For if I don't take myself seriously, then who else will?.


I make an off-hand joke about classes at my university, you turn it into some type of crusade. Well, good luck on your journey.

Life is the lesson when you learn while you can.
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truth is what i believe the truth to be - which is most likely able to be logical and scientifically proven, as i`m the type of person that `believes it when i see (proof of) it`

i think truth is absolute, my truth is absolute, because i believe it to be, otherwise i wouldn`t believe it.
THOUGH, my absolute truths will only be absolute until someone/thing proves otherwise.

but i wouldn`t force others to and do not expect other ppl to believe my truths, even if i think they should.
which is why i think truth is relative to everyone, everyone has their own truths to believe in, no matter how stupid, crazy or wrong i think they are.
Posted 12/19/09

berries-382 wrote:

truth is what i believe the truth to be - which is most likely able to be logical and scientifically proven, as i`m the type of person that `believes it when i see (proof of) it`

i think truth is absolute, my truth is absolute, because i believe it to be, otherwise i wouldn`t believe it.
THOUGH, my absolute truths will only be absolute until someone/thing proves otherwise.

but i wouldn`t force others to and do not expect other ppl to believe my truths, even if i think they should.
which is why i think truth is relative to everyone, everyone has their own truths to believe in, no matter how stupid, crazy or wrong i think they are.

For "stupid is stupid does" and that's the fact of life, even thought it shouldn't be my life when I can change for the better.
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Truth is based entirely upon perception, so it is subjective. No matter how much evidence and logic you use to prove something, that won't necessarily stop someone from perceiving it to be false and substituting it with what they consider to be true. Instead of "what is Truth?" a better question is "how do we know what Truth is?" or "can we ever know what Truth is?"
Posted 12/22/09

Cuddlebuns wrote:

Truth is based entirely upon perception, so it is subjective. No matter how much evidence and logic you use to prove something, that won't necessarily stop someone from perceiving it to be false and substituting it with what they consider to be true. Instead of "what is Truth?" a better question is "how do we know what Truth is?" or "can we ever know what Truth is?"

Subjective truth based on perception is a point of view. Therefore when we can establish a multiple points of view via individual perceptions, we can arrive at an objective truth based on empirical knowledge of multiple experiences.
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But truth is not something in the world. It's a description of the relationship between a proposition and its corresponding reality.
Posted 12/22/09

leviathan343 wrote:

But truth is not something in the world. It's a description of the relationship between a proposition and its corresponding reality.

Now there's an interesting proposition about what truth is; the reality as we know it via our "descriptions" of how we relate to it.

And you know what's also very interesting? The way how individually our human brain works when we formed those said "descriptions". For you see the human knowledge formed by our spoken language is an action based acknowledgment process, both with and without physical experience and/or manifestation.

Our brains can all perform 3 basic tasks: reception, perception, and alteration. They can all experience the outside world through our 5 sensory receptors, perceive the sensory data as mental imagery, and alter those mental images into somethings different than the actual experiences themselves.

However, with the exception of our brains experiencing the world through reception, the perception and alteration processes can only be done with our brains' ability to imagine, not with our 5 sensory receptors. In other words, our brains process words and form meanings as mental images.

Therefore, just how imaginative we individually are can be the make or break of how accurate and detailed we each came up with our own literal "descriptions" of reality as we seem to know it.
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Posted 12/24/09

DomFortress wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

But truth is not something in the world. It's a description of the relationship between a proposition and its corresponding reality.

Now there's an interesting proposition about what truth is; the reality as we know it via our "descriptions" of how we relate to it.

And you know what's also very interesting? The way how individually our human brain works when we formed those said "descriptions". For you see the human knowledge formed by our spoken language is an action based acknowledgment process, both with and without physical experience and/or manifestation.

Our brains can all perform 3 basic tasks: reception, perception, and alteration. They can all experience the outside world through our 5 sensory receptors, perceive the sensory data as mental imagery, and alter those mental images into somethings different than the actual experiences themselves.

However, with the exception of our brains experiencing the world through reception, the perception and alteration processes can only be done with our brains' ability to imagine, not with our 5 sensory receptors. In other words, our brains process words and form meanings as mental images.

Therefore, just how imaginative we individually are can be the make or break of how accurate and detailed we each came up with our own literal "descriptions" of reality as we seem to know it.


Well that's the correspondence theory of truth: a proposition is true if there is an appropriate matrix of corresponding facts.
Posted 12/25/09

leviathan343 wrote:



Well that's the correspondence theory of truth: a proposition is true if there is an appropriate matrix of corresponding facts.

So it's like saying not a single individual's subjective view on reality can be taken as the whole of an objective truth, unless that particular individual can correspond to a multitude of viewpoints.
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awww..hard to explain,i think is not fake but also not real.......
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Hmm, well I guess I can put my two cents here. I'm not entirely sure, but for now I believe that there is absolute truth.

Take the simple logic of contradiction.
When something contradicts something else (e.g. you believe that the apple you are holding is blue, and when you see it with your eyes, it's red.), by applying the logic of just "not being hypocritical", you can know that the apple cannot be blue and red because it is contradictory. (Please bear with me on my horrible explaining/examples... just try and understand me.)

When you try and say that there is no absolute truth, then what you are saying that everything is relative; both the statements "the apple is red" and "the apple is blue" are right.
Hence, you are "breaking" (for the lack of a better term) the universal logic of not contradicting yourself.

So far, as we know it, one thing cannot be another. A stone will always be a stone. A stone can't NOT BE a stone.

And another (pretty simple) example:
I ate a cookie. Then it's true that I ate a cookie.

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I'll talk about how science is related to "absolute truth", because I think this is really valuable to share.

I believe that science strives to get the absolute truth the most accurately. Science does not have absolute truths; but rather, it tries to get the closest thing it can get to absolute truth.

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oppisite of lies/false
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