The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA)
Posted 11/8/09 , edited 11/8/09
Before we begin, here's a fact sheet about the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA):

Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - Fact Sheet

The proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) aims to establish new global standards for the enforcement of intellectual property rights (IPR) to more effectively combat the increasingly prolific trade in counterfeit and pirated goods. The ACTA would focus on 3 areas: a) increasing international cooperation, b) establishing best practices for enforcement, and c) providing a more effective legal framework to combat counterfeiting and piracy.

International Cooperation: Cooperation among the parties to the agreement would be a vital aspect of the ACTA – specifically cooperation and sharing of information between law enforcement authorities, including Customs and other applicable agencies. Possible provisions in this area could include:

* International cooperation among enforcement agencies; and
* Capacity building and technical assistance in improving enforcement.

Enforcement Practices: Proponents of the ACTA believe it is crucial to establish enforcement “best practices” that promote strong IP protection in collaboration with trading partners and right holders. These practices would support the application of the relevant legal tools. Areas for possible provisions include:

* Formal or informal public/private advisory groups;
* Fostering of specialized intellectual property expertise within law enforcement structures to ensure effective handling of IPR cases; and
* Measures for raising consumer public awareness about the importance of IPR protection and the detrimental effects of IPR infringements.

Legal Frameworks: The final pillar of the ACTA would strive to provide private citizens, law enforcement agencies, and the judiciary with the appropriate tools to deal effectively with counterfeiting and piracy through a strong and modern legal framework. Areas for possible provisions include:

* Criminal enforcement;
* Border measures;
* Civil enforcement;
* Optical disc piracy; and
* Internet distribution and information technology.

To date, only informal discussions have taken place. Formal negotiations are expected to begin in the course of 2008.
The Canadian government offered an extensive coverage about the negotiations that took placed ever since 2008 here, that includes the latest negotiation held at Korea. So while I have no idea just how the ACTA could be a "Still-murky copyright treaty could change web as we use it"(citation), when information leak provided by individual like Michael Geist can only further solidify my claim that this measure of secrecy is exactly due to the possible public scrutiny that this hot topic could result. When we're living in an age of instant gratification that every negative utilitarian would justify stealing for pleasure, not for profits:

State and explain the Principle of Utility. Show how it could be used to justify actions that are conventionally viewed as wrong, such as lying and stealing.

The Principle of Utility are desired and desirable in and for themselves besides being means, they are a part of an end. This would mean that the principle of utility not only considers the thing that are desirable to which happiness would be achieved at one point, it is more on the desires that would lead to an end that would give greater pleasure and happiness to a person or to a majority. It could be used to justify what would be conventionally viewed as wrong since according to this principle it is alright to steal or lie as long as you do not hurt anyone and/or as long as it would bring happiness to the majority. An example would be an employee that would steal something from the company that he work for, like pack of blank CD’s that were issue to the department was taken by the employee for personal use since the company would not really take an inventory if the said CD’s were used for company use then they would not know that it was used by the said employee for personal reasons. Then the employee would not be caught therefore no harm was done and based on this principle the employee did nothing wrong.(citation)


So the ACTA will only be problematic to those who use the internet for illegal uploads and downloads of copyrighted materials. Point taken.
Posted 11/8/09 , edited 11/8/09
it they truly want to do this fine don't care anymore, not my problem it's just more big brother is watching you bullshit but like i just said I don't care. I spend more money on entertainment per week than my family does per year, fuck it's going to get to a point where you can't burn your legally copy dvd's anymore for back ups in case they get scratched, so you will be fucking forced to buy all brand new ones. Yay for capitalism on cough cough NOT. I don't care what others think after I type this corporations do not care about you and the can give a fuck less about your rights all they care about is squeezing as much money out of as they out of you and if you break their laws be prepared to be ass raped by a bunch of high priced lawyers with no souls. I do think people deserve money for their ideas but when it gets to fucking point like this then no all they care about is money and well money is the root of all evil sigh i am so tired =_= also dom you just described about half if not more of then internet. Oh here is a little more ti bit of information for you, you do not own any piece of media that you buy what so ever you are given a unlimited LICENSE to view or play the material in question, if you break this lic agreement by backing up with out our consent or mod in anyway that LICENSE and be terminated at any time and you must discard of the said material that you FUCKING PAYED FOR[/blue!!!!!!! Isn't that just nice????? no not really it's just a really nice bit of info to know


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/policy-laundering/
Posted 11/8/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

it they truly want to do this fine don't care anymore, not my problem it's just more big brother is watching you bullshit but like i just said I don't care. I spend more money on entertainment per week than my family does per year, fuck it's going to get to a point where you can't burn your legally copy dvd's anymore for back ups in case they get scratched, so you will be fucking forced to buy all brand new ones. Yay for capitalism on cough cough NOT. I don't care what others think after I type this corporations do not care about you and the can give a fuck less about your rights all they care about is squeezing as much money out of as they out of you and if you break their laws be prepared to be ass raped by a bunch of high priced lawyers with no souls. I do think people deserve money for their ideas but when it gets to fucking point like this then no all they care about is money and well money is the root of all evil sigh i am so tired =_= also dom you just described about half if not more of then internet. Oh here is a little more ti bit of information for you, you do not own any piece of media that you buy what so ever you are given a unlimited LICENSE to view or play the material in question, if you break this lic agreement by backing up with out our consent or mod in anyway that LICENSE and be terminated at any time and you must discard of the said material that you FUCKING PAYED FOR[/blue!!!!!!! Isn't that just nice????? no not really it's just a really nice bit of info to know


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/policy-laundering/

My argument is that personally, I find most entertainments today just aren't that creative, much less entertaining. So they can do what they want with their intellectual properties, when I didn't want to look at most of them in the first place.
Posted 11/9/09

DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

it they truly want to do this fine don't care anymore, not my problem it's just more big brother is watching you bullshit but like i just said I don't care. I spend more money on entertainment per week than my family does per year, fuck it's going to get to a point where you can't burn your legally copy dvd's anymore for back ups in case they get scratched, so you will be fucking forced to buy all brand new ones. Yay for capitalism on cough cough NOT. I don't care what others think after I type this corporations do not care about you and the can give a fuck less about your rights all they care about is squeezing as much money out of as they out of you and if you break their laws be prepared to be ass raped by a bunch of high priced lawyers with no souls. I do think people deserve money for their ideas but when it gets to fucking point like this then no all they care about is money and well money is the root of all evil sigh i am so tired =_= also dom you just described about half if not more of then internet. Oh here is a little more ti bit of information for you, you do not own any piece of media that you buy what so ever you are given a unlimited LICENSE to view or play the material in question, if you break this lic agreement by backing up with out our consent or mod in anyway that LICENSE and be terminated at any time and you must discard of the said material that you FUCKING PAYED FOR[/blue!!!!!!! Isn't that just nice????? no not really it's just a really nice bit of info to know


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/policy-laundering/

My argument is that personally, I find most entertainments today just aren't that creative, much less entertaining. So they can do what they want with their intellectual properties, when I didn't want to look at most of them in the first place.


i understand that to dom, sigh not much holds my attention anymore as well. It is just sad that consumers of these properties always get the sort end of stick ya know if not for them they would not have all the money that have to day in order to go out and produce more properties at all. Hell the only things I buy anymore for entertainment are old box sets of anime and TV shows for them 70's 80's and 90's and that's on a rare occasion as well unless i can find them cheap which i usually do lol. Sigh i never thought i would see a point in time where this would ever happen to be honest with you the bill contains more BS than i have ever seen, they can monitor what people do online 24/7, keep track of what they say and what they do and so on it's lig big bro in soviet Russia <.< " The whole durr hurr piracy i just an excuse for the bill" Also if you are caught 3 times and that's it with "copyrighted material illegally" than that's it your are banned from the internet for ever unless you can get a new IP or service provider T.T sigh I have to go to work and this is the last thing i want to think about so peace out
Posted 11/9/09 , edited 11/9/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

it they truly want to do this fine don't care anymore, not my problem it's just more big brother is watching you bullshit but like i just said I don't care. I spend more money on entertainment per week than my family does per year, fuck it's going to get to a point where you can't burn your legally copy dvd's anymore for back ups in case they get scratched, so you will be fucking forced to buy all brand new ones. Yay for capitalism on cough cough NOT. I don't care what others think after I type this corporations do not care about you and the can give a fuck less about your rights all they care about is squeezing as much money out of as they out of you and if you break their laws be prepared to be ass raped by a bunch of high priced lawyers with no souls. I do think people deserve money for their ideas but when it gets to fucking point like this then no all they care about is money and well money is the root of all evil sigh i am so tired =_= also dom you just described about half if not more of then internet. Oh here is a little more ti bit of information for you, you do not own any piece of media that you buy what so ever you are given a unlimited LICENSE to view or play the material in question, if you break this lic agreement by backing up with out our consent or mod in anyway that LICENSE and be terminated at any time and you must discard of the said material that you FUCKING PAYED FOR[/blue!!!!!!! Isn't that just nice????? no not really it's just a really nice bit of info to know


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/policy-laundering/

My argument is that personally, I find most entertainments today just aren't that creative, much less entertaining. So they can do what they want with their intellectual properties, when I didn't want to look at most of them in the first place.


i understand that to dom, sigh not much holds my attention anymore as well. It is just sad that consumers of these properties always get the sort end of stick ya know if not for them they would not have all the money that have to day in order to go out and produce more properties at all. Hell the only things I buy anymore for entertainment are old box sets of anime and TV shows for them 70's 80's and 90's and that's on a rare occasion as well unless i can find them cheap which i usually do lol. Sigh i never thought i would see a point in time where this would ever happen to be honest with you the bill contains more BS than i have ever seen, they can monitor what people do online 24/7, keep track of what they say and what they do and so on it's lig big bro in soviet Russia <.< " The whole durr hurr piracy i just an excuse for the bill" Also if you are caught 3 times and that's it with "copyrighted material illegally" than that's it your are banned from the internet for ever unless you can get a new IP or service provider T.T sigh I have to go to work and this is the last thing i want to think about so peace out

The monitoring will only be done by the independent ISPs, not by the government. While the legislation is there as a guideline on how ISPs should conduct their monitoring. At least, that's what I gathered from both the official and the leaked information.

I'm no fan of accusation based on fear, when hypothesis only became true based on facts.
Posted 11/9/09 , edited 11/15/09


sigh i am sorry let me reshape that is what the acta wants to do my mistake but it still does scare me that a origination like that is even getting attention to do something like that. All i can do and I will is just boycott and start a petition but I don't have time right now.
Posted 11/15/09
Okay I just want to add this, if this passes or is signed in to law websites like you tube, veoh, twitter, my space, face book, and so on and yes including this site will not be allowed to exist anymore.
Posted 11/16/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

Okay I just want to add this, if this passes or is signed in to law websites like you tube, veoh, twitter, my space, face book, and so on and yes including this site will not be allowed to exist anymore.

What kind of baseless scarecrow statement was that? How do you justify that statement of yours not with fears but with facts instead?
Posted 11/16/09

DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

Okay I just want to add this, if this passes or is signed in to law websites like you tube, veoh, twitter, my space, face book, and so on and yes including this site will not be allowed to exist anymore.

What kind of baseless scarecrow statement was that? How do you justify that statement of yours not with fears but with facts instead?

dom there is a lot more leaking of this treaty coming out, i will post links shortly but due to the fact that you tube has copyrighted material as well as veoh with out written permission they will be forced with to take all of that down or face heavy fines or even be shut down. my space and face book and twitter have copyright right infringement as well by allowing users to upload materials such as songs that are copyrighted and videos as well to there pages to where people can view them and listen to those songs freely with out having to pay for them. Since cr is just a user group site just like my space or face book it makes since that it will happen as well if this passes. The ACTA with Japan, South Korea, Canada, Mexico,Australia , Europe and England hope to pass some sort of treaty soon and yes including the USA. Face it dom this is they only way they see fit to stop all piracy together but sigh so much for FREEDOM here are some links to back me up.

http://www.keionline.org/node/682
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-09-004-35-NW-CY-LL
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/the-acta-internet-provisions-dmca-goes-worldwide.ars
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9009687
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

some on the 3 strike rule that they want to pass or under consideration
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/04/acta.may.force.tight.global.restrictions/
http://www.lawandtax-news.com/asp/Global_Three_Strikes_Rule_For_Piracy_Reportedly_Under_Consideration_xxxx40046.html

Posted 11/16/09 , edited 11/16/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

Okay I just want to add this, if this passes or is signed in to law websites like you tube, veoh, twitter, my space, face book, and so on and yes including this site will not be allowed to exist anymore.

What kind of baseless scarecrow statement was that? How do you justify that statement of yours not with fears but with facts instead?

dom there is a lot more leaking of this treaty coming out, i will post links shortly but due to the fact that you tube has copyrighted material as well as veoh with out written permission they will be forced with to take all of that down or face heavy fines or even be shut down. my space and face book and twitter have copyright right infringement as well by allowing users to upload materials such as songs that are copyrighted and videos as well to there pages to where people can view them and listen to those songs freely with out having to pay for them. Since cr is just a user group site just like my space or face book it makes since that it will happen as well if this passes. The ACTA with Japan, South Korea, Canada, Mexico,Australia , Europe and England hope to pass some sort of treaty soon and yes including the USA. Face it dom this is they only way they see fit to stop all piracy together but sigh so much for FREEDOM here are some links to back me up.

http://www.keionline.org/node/682
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-09-004-35-NW-CY-LL
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/the-acta-internet-provisions-dmca-goes-worldwide.ars
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9009687
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

some on the 3 strike rule that they want to pass or under consideration
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/04/acta.may.force.tight.global.restrictions/
http://www.lawandtax-news.com/asp/Global_Three_Strikes_Rule_For_Piracy_Reportedly_Under_Consideration_xxxx40046.html


Is that freedom of expression on the internet or in actuality internet users disrespecting the creators of their intellectual properties for instant gratifications? When Crunchyroll obtained the rights to stream and distribute all of the intellectual properties on its website as a legitimate content provider.

If you can't think rationally nor objectively such as you are feeling scared, don't you dare think that I'm on the same boat as you because that's your problem, not mine. When no amount of internet opinions that you present can make me think nor feel otherwise, because none of them were rational nor objective by them being bias. While the fact still remains that "the ACTA will only be problematic to those who use the internet for illegal uploads and downloads of copyrighted materials".
Posted 11/16/09

DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

Okay I just want to add this, if this passes or is signed in to law websites like you tube, veoh, twitter, my space, face book, and so on and yes including this site will not be allowed to exist anymore.

What kind of baseless scarecrow statement was that? How do you justify that statement of yours not with fears but with facts instead?

dom there is a lot more leaking of this treaty coming out, i will post links shortly but due to the fact that you tube has copyrighted material as well as veoh with out written permission they will be forced with to take all of that down or face heavy fines or even be shut down. my space and face book and twitter have copyright right infringement as well by allowing users to upload materials such as songs that are copyrighted and videos as well to there pages to where people can view them and listen to those songs freely with out having to pay for them. Since cr is just a user group site just like my space or face book it makes since that it will happen as well if this passes. The ACTA with Japan, South Korea, Canada, Mexico,Australia , Europe and England hope to pass some sort of treaty soon and yes including the USA. Face it dom this is they only way they see fit to stop all piracy together but sigh so much for FREEDOM here are some links to back me up.

http://www.keionline.org/node/682
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-09-004-35-NW-CY-LL
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/the-acta-internet-provisions-dmca-goes-worldwide.ars
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9009687
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

some on the 3 strike rule that they want to pass or under consideration
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/04/acta.may.force.tight.global.restrictions/
http://www.lawandtax-news.com/asp/Global_Three_Strikes_Rule_For_Piracy_Reportedly_Under_Consideration_xxxx40046.html


Is that freedom of expression on the internet or in actuality internet users disrespecting the creators of their intellectual properties for instant gratifications? When Crunchyroll obtained the rights to stream and distribute all of the intellectual properties on its website as a legitimate content provider.

If you can't think rationally nor objectively such as you are feeling scared, don't you dare think that I'm on the same boat as you because that's your problem, not mine. When no amount of internet opinions that you present can make me think nor feel otherwise, because none of them were rational nor objective by them being bias.


all i can tell you is to wait and see and for the intellectual properties i give my money to buy something i should if not have a right to have a digital copy of that set product since i paid for them in the 1st place. This is my opinion and i don't really care what you think of it i am entitled to it companies only care about making a profit not about the consumer in question. I did not present you opinions if you don't want to read factual pages then that's fine with me to be honest i can care less what happens to the net anymore I will just go back to burning DVD movies that i rent from block buster and burning my friends Cd's when they get new ones or just record things GASP using a VCR since that effectively takes money from them as well sorry for being an ass but i am so sick of this shit.
Posted 11/16/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



all i can tell you is to wait and see and for the intellectual properties i give my money to buy something i should if not have a right to have a digital copy of that set product since i paid for them in the 1st place. This is my opinion and i don't really care what you think of it i am entitled to it companies only care about making a profit not about the consumer in question. I did not present you opinions if you don't want to read factual pages then that's fine with me to be honest i can care less what happens to the net anymore I will just go back to burning DVD movies that i rent from block buster and burning my friends Cd's when they get new ones or just record things GASP using a VCR since that effectively takes money from them as well sorry for being an ass but i am so sick of this shit.

What exactly do you think I meant when I said this, that "we're living in an age of instant gratification that every negative utilitarian would justify stealing for pleasure, not for profits"? While your purchase of an official copy of intellectual property comes with a limited license of ownership, but you don't create anything new by you duplicating an exact digital copy of an existing copyrighted intellectual property(citation).
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