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Anime from the 80's compared to todays Anime.
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Posted 11/10/09
There has been a steady decline in American Cartoons level of animated quality over the years.
In the past great anime from America was something all us anime fans loved. Such American anime like Fire and Ice from (1983). even today such animated shows seem to have far better animation than even some of the newest Japanese animeeshun.

My question is what do you think is the rezone for the decline in American Anime in the last 25 or so years.
Even with such improvements in animation, colors and Computers, why have more modern animated shows been falling short of the classics.

Sample of the classic American anime from the 80's




Just so you know there is killing, blood, and half naked people in it. Yet in the 80s that is what all pg13 cartoons had.

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Posted 11/10/09
I preferred the 90's, but 80's had some awesome stuff.
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Posted 11/13/09 , edited 11/13/09
This falls under the anime section?

Well honestly, I can't say much but judging from the images you posted, the animation is a lot different in terms of style and it seems more dull.
Here's my theory, as technology improves, people's life, animating gets a lot easier which decreases the time for an animation to be completed. Hence mass production is allowed and so the quality tends to decline, just like any known products, when it is in demand, more will be mass produced which results in the lack of quality control.
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If you have half decent story, it will be made into motion picture. If not, then your story stinks anyway. In US you have great technology to make every imaginable idea "real". I think Japan would do the same if they had the means and money. I also think there is no more interest in classic animation. "Cartoons" can be only parodies or comedies, suitable for families nowdays. I think it is because older people still see drawn stuff as something suitable for children.

And finally non political theme! NICE!
Posted 11/13/09
this should really be in the Anime section :/

wow i didn't know illustrators were that open long ago. I do prefer old shows over today's stuff cause it seems like they're not trying anymore this century. The animation from the 80s has a classic feeling to them that I like.
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Posted 11/13/09
Fire & Ice -- I never got to see that, but after a little web searching, I confirmed you were indeed referring to a Ralph Bakshi film!!! -A man of a most bizarre thought process.............
I did see Wizards, & (portions of ) Fritz the Cat & Heavy Traffic later on, but mind you, these came out in early 1970s, & I hadn't quite reach the PG-17 or R rating's age limit at that time. I did not care for the animated Lord of the Rings he worked on.

As for the decline of American animation, I agree w/ the idea of limited audience & the attitudes that "cartoons are for kids".
I also wonder at the hollywood egos wanting to "play that character" in live action. I stomp & rant at the idea of Keanu Reeves playing Spike in the live version of Cowboy Be-bop ( but then I'd rant & bitch at having to watch any film he's in! you fans are free to love him-whatever)

I'd like to see more mature efforts in animation. Quality so often is at the mercy of quantity & turning a profit when it comes to animation. Even TV production companies (Nick.-CN- Disn) have pretty low quality records.

Are there any of countries w/ a growing audience for, or production of animation worth noting?

As for this belonging in the anime section? I'd rather it didn't go there. What's wrong with discussing the subject in an academic manner unrelated to any one particular show or theme?!?!
Posted 11/13/09


(。・▽・) About Fire and Ice, that was the time Rock bands were popular.
You know like KISS, OZZY OSBOURNE, Guns' N Roses, etc.


The American cartoons just going with the flow. They follow the flow and create a business out of it.




Just like what happened in 2003. Teen Titans where unleashed on TV due to the fact that anime was getting popular.
Teen Titans' OST tracks were good evidences to state that Americans did not want to get left behind from things that are popular.
Well, the Toonami segment in Cartoon Network already existed before Teen Titans.


(。・▽・) There's always exception though.
Business takes risk.


When every films today are colorful and 3d, creating a movie like Sin City (that plays with two main colors: black & white) was a very smart step. That film stood out so much from the rest of the films that it became so successful to the masses [on that time].
So, to duplicate the success, people would do something similar to Sin City.

When everyone is doing the same thing, others will go back to making films that are colorful and 3d -- and they become successful again.

(。・▽・) Cartoons or animes are not just shown in the media for viewing pleasure only. They do it for the sake of business.
They make Pokemon keep on running on TV because it harness big potential on making merchandises to sell.
What kind of merchandises exactly? Hmm... from coloring books, lunch boxes, pillows, games, toys, etc.


Same goes with Naruto that's being shown in America.
Naruto is easily related to Americans because the main character is blonde and has blue eyes.

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problem with some animes today is that they focus more on the art and music and not enough on the story line compared to 80s anime.

Also 80s anime have there own feel and atmosphere that is different, unique and worth watching.
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Could it have anything to do with the hand drawn cells and the painting?
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Posted 11/14/09

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Could it have anything to do with the hand drawn cells and the painting?

You really think that has something to do with the story, and all around quality of it.

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I can't argue about the storylines or the lack of great rock ballads. Those few animations were treated as serious adult storylines. Today's animation tries to appeal to both adult and youth, thus the storylines can't be too complex( unless it's Gundam Wing) and lots of stupidity and humor are sprinkled in. This was the beginning of the classic rock age, the music for these animated movies was not always done by the mainstream popular artist at the time because heavy metal was still somewhat underground and just being discovered by a rebellious teen generation. Many of the rock artists later went on to become famous.
But visually I think hand drawn cells cause the creator to take more time and perhaps put a little more thought into the personality of the character they are drawing and the subtleties of their expressions; Something about pen and pencil, the feel of drawing the person, makes that person more real to you. I definitely believe that hand painted cells have a better visual appeal, The watercolor effect of the stills that were posted (they seem to have such depth) draw my eye and make me want to know more about what is going on. Also hand painted cells tend to better reflect a mood or atmosphere. The mindset of the musicians and storytellers of the late 70's was to tell a beautiful and unique story through their own creativity, and not necessarily about pleasing the masses. I think computerized work to these guys would be like 'selling out to the man'. This attutde shows in their finished product and I think hand drawn work is a part of that package. I think the market for this is limited today because most people just don't care or don't get it.
This is all just my personal opinion and preference, I'm probably way off base. I happen to love Musaki's (sic) work 'Princess Mononoki' and 'Howl's Moving Castle' are two of my favorites. Princess Mononoki has a nice storyline and nice artwork.
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Frankly I think there was almost the same amount of lackluster cartoons 20 years ago compared to today. The only reason the older ones seem better than the new stuff would be mostly due to nostalgia and thoughts of how something you saw in the past already touched upon certain subjects.

There may be a decline in true quality given that cartoons keep getting remade and such but I wouldn't think it's as big as people may make it out to be. Every year a bunch of garbage is made with only a few gems in the mix. We forget the garbage and remember the gems. In another 20 years, I'm sure people will be talking about how the cartoons of this decade were great.

Name a year and I can name at least 1 great piece of animation that was produced.
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Posted 11/16/09

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Frankly I think there was almost the same amount of lackluster cartoons 20 years ago compared to today. The only reason the older ones seem better than the new stuff would be mostly due to nostalgia and thoughts of how something you saw in the past already touched upon certain subjects.
There may be a decline in true quality given that cartoons keep getting remade and such but I wouldn't think it's as big as people may make it out to be. Every year a bunch of garbage is made with only a few gems in the mix. We forget the garbage and remember the gems. In another 20 years, I'm sure people will be talking about how the cartoons of this decade were great.

Name a year and I can name at least 1 great piece of animation that was produced.


Ah! Yes! this is well stated.

As I think back on childhood favs of the cartoon world, some have become classics, others, surprisingly, did not hold up at all. Since this thread questions the apparent decline of animation, it could be helpful to define what makes for a quality or memorable animation. I enjoy hearing the titles of other people's favs (- I do the same w/ books) , but, instead of the endless lists another anime threads would elicit, I'd be curious to know what about the animation makes it a fav or classic to the viewer.

I offer one moldy oldie of my era--- The Rocky & Bullwinkle Show. To me, this show has held up very well. The style of the animation, not so pretty, but the humor & fun, even w/ out-dated subject matter of political parody, such as the cold war- with the arch nemesis duo of Boris & Natasha, & their boss -Fearless Leader, offer silliness that tickled the child, but also the adult audience (like my father! ). I still get a kick out of them, especially one of the extra sideshows- Fractured Fairytales- my personal favorites- lampooning the classic fairytales we all grow up hearing. Granted, it may not be anything like the examples given in the opening thread, which, I believe alluded more toward feature length anime, but the styles as well as contents have changed much thru the years. This show of the early sixties could be said to be a peer of The Flintstones (meh), for perspective, & the majority of available cartoons were shown during a full Saturday morning glut on the three major networks (NBC, CBS & ABC)- no cable!
Posted 11/16/09

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Name a year and I can name at least 1 great piece of animation that was produced.


year 1990
or
year 1984
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Posted 11/16/09

kyoukoujin wrote:


BasouKazuma wrote:



Name a year and I can name at least 1 great piece of animation that was produced.


year 1990
or
year 1984


Was more of a rhetorical statement/question but I'll give it a shot.

1984 is easy, that would be Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. 1990 is a little harder but I'd go with the Record of Lodoss War OVA, I remember it being great but that could be the nostalgia and childhood mindset talking. Though, The Simpsons started airing 2 weeks shy of 1990, that count????
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