First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  Next  Last
Ending Islamophobia and Islamic Terrorism
Scientist Moderator
digs 
48106 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M
Offline
Posted 11/11/09 , edited 11/11/09
Recently a German (Russian born) man was imprisoned for life for the murder of Marwa El-Sherbini. Information may be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Marwa_El-Sherbini (If you don't trust wikipedia look at the cited sources or find other articles, this is what I have for now). This innocent woman was an Egyptian imagrint to Germany working as a pharmacist. The crime started off with Alex Wiens verbally abusing her for wearing an Islamic headscarf in a public children's playground. Wiens was charged and ruled guilty of defamation and was sentanced to pay a fine of €330. The man was taken to court, where during a hearing questioned why Marwa El-Sherbini was in Germany before he stabbed her to death. He also stabbed her husband who was trying to defend her. This is an atrocity and I personally grieve for this woman's family (my prayers are with them as well). This is a tragic example of Islamophobia. For those who may not know, Islamophobia is the fear of Muslims, more typically discrimination against Muslims to a severe extent. This innocent woman was a victim of Islamophobia and the murderer was rightfully sentenced to a life in prison (Germany does not practice the death penalty). This woman did nothing wrong, she was murdered for wearing an Islamic headscarf and being an Islamic woman living in Germany.

Islamic Terrorism is also another topic I would like to briefly touch on. Recently in the United States a Muslim man had a shooting rampage against innocent people at the military base in Fort Hood, Texas. Currently it is not certain that he did it out of extremist beliefs, but it is strongly likely. Regardless, 9/11 and the London City Terrorist attacks were both examples of Islamic Terrorism. The ideology typically believes that it is Allah's will to kill the "infidels" also known as the enemies of Islam (typically the West and nations involved in the war against Terrorism in the Middle East). Other sects take a Hadith seriously that states that the apocalypse (and global rule of Islam) will not happen until Jews are exterminated and the "infidels" are destroyed. This ideology is wicked and must be stopped.

Now, what I would like to know is how do you all propose we stop both the injustice of Islamophobia and the problem of Islamic Terrorism? I hope to see a world free of discrimination, free of terrorism, and a world where we can disagree but respectfully understand another person's worldview. I personally believe that there needs to be a strong destination between Islam and Islamic Terrorism. They are not the same and most Muslims will tell you that the Islamic Terrorists are not practicers of what the Koran teaches. In fact, much of the Islamic Terrorism that goes on is between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslim groups in the Middle East. I also believe that Islamic Terrorism must not be tolerated (same with Islamophobia), that police and military action be taken to dismantle Terrorist groups for the sake of all innocents.
Posted 11/11/09
(。・▽・) I propose to hire digs as the leading spokesman for anti-Islamophobia and anti-Islamic Terrorism; then, publicly broadcast his thoughts about it worldwide.

Bulletproof limousine is not provided. Would be glad to hire DomFortress, JJT2, seraphalford, and darkphoenix3450 to be his bodyguards. Yei would be served as a team mascot.
Posted 11/11/09 , edited 11/11/09

digs wrote:

Recently a German (Russian born) man was imprisoned for life for the murder of Marwa El-Sherbini. Information may be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Marwa_El-Sherbini (If you don't trust wikipedia look at the cited sources or find other articles, this is what I have for now). This innocent woman was an Egyptian imagrint to Germany working as a pharmacist. The crime started off with Alex Wiens verbally abusing her for wearing an Islamic headscarf in a public children's playground. Wiens was charged and ruled guilty of defamation and was sentanced to pay a fine of €330. The man was taken to court, where during a hearing questioned why Marwa El-Sherbini was in Germany before he stabbed her to death. He also stabbed her husband who was trying to defend her. This is an atrocity and I personally grieve for this woman's family (my prayers are with them as well). This is a tragic example of Islamophobia. For those who may not know, Islamophobia is the fear of Muslims, more typically discrimination against Muslims to a severe extent. This innocent woman was a victim of Islamophobia and the murderer was rightfully sentenced to a life in prison (Germany does not practice the death penalty). This woman did nothing wrong, she was murdered for wearing an Islamic headscarf and being an Islamic woman living in Germany.

Islamic Terrorism is also another topic I would like to briefly touch on. Recently in the United States a Muslim man had a shooting rampage against innocent people at the military base in Fort Hood, Texas. Currently it is not certain that he did it out of extremist beliefs, but it is strongly likely. Regardless, 9/11 and the London City Terrorist attacks were both examples of Islamic Terrorism. The ideology typically believes that it is Allah's will to kill the "infidels" also known as the enemies of Islam (typically the West and nations involved in the war against Terrorism in the Middle East). Other sects take a Hadith seriously that states that the apocalypse (and global rule of Islam) will not happen until Jews are exterminated and the "infidels" are destroyed. This ideology is wicked and must be stopped.

Now, what I would like to know is how do you all propose we stop both the injustice of Islamophobia and the problem of Islamic Terrorism? I hope to see a world free of discrimination, free of terrorism, and a world where we can disagree but respectfully understand another person's worldview. I personally believe that there needs to be a strong destination between Islam and Islamic Terrorism. They are not the same and most Muslims will tell you that the Islamic Terrorists are not practicers of what the Koran teaches. In fact, much of the Islamic Terrorism that goes on is between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslim groups in the Middle East. I also believe that Islamic Terrorism must not be tolerated (same with Islamophobia), that police and military action be taken to dismantle Terrorist groups for the sake of all innocents.

Personally, I would objectify both Islamophobia and Islamic Terrorism as much as possible and as detailed as they can be. By completely documenting both ideologies by way of causes and effects. I would then further hypothesize that both ideologies are unhealthy on the individual and social levels, now that I have a history of how both ideologies work. And that's only the easy part.

The hard road ahead would be the education and normalization of such knowledge as built-in common sense. And we'll be lucky if this will only take the lifespan of a single generation to achieve within a developed country. This is the best case scenario which I can think of thus far.


kyoukoujin wrote:

(。・▽・) I propose to hire digs as the leading spokesman for anti-Islamophobia and anti-Islamic Terrorism; then, publicly broadcast his thoughts about it worldwide.

Bulletproof limousine is not provided. Would be glad to hire DomFortress, JJT2, seraphalford, and darkphoenix3450 to be his bodyguards. Yei would be served as a team mascot.

I would take the job offer with the coverage of natural food, bio-degradable clothing, shelter via sustainable design, public transportation, a public institution where I can practice mentoring our youth, and a membership at my local community fitness center.
Posted 11/11/09

DomFortress wrote:

I would take the job offer with the coverage of natural food, bio-degradable clothing, shelter via sustainable design, public transportation, a public institution where I can practice mentoring our youth, and a membership at my local community fitness center.


(。・▽・) I'll just pay you with bananas.
Posted 11/11/09

kyoukoujin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

I would take the job offer with the coverage of natural food, bio-degradable clothing, shelter via sustainable design, public transportation, a public institution where I can practice mentoring our youth, and a membership at my local community fitness center.


(。・▽・) I'll just pay you with bananas.

Not unless you make bananas the official currency.
4294 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
forgot where
Offline
Posted 11/11/09

digs wrote:

Recently a German (Russian born) man was imprisoned for life for the murder of Marwa El-Sherbini. Information may be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Marwa_El-Sherbini (If you don't trust wikipedia look at the cited sources or find other articles, this is what I have for now). This innocent woman was an Egyptian imagrint to Germany working as a pharmacist. The crime started off with Alex Wiens verbally abusing her for wearing an Islamic headscarf in a public children's playground. Wiens was charged and ruled guilty of defamation and was sentanced to pay a fine of €330. The man was taken to court, where during a hearing questioned why Marwa El-Sherbini was in Germany before he stabbed her to death. He also stabbed her husband who was trying to defend her. This is an atrocity and I personally grieve for this woman's family (my prayers are with them as well). This is a tragic example of Islamophobia. For those who may not know, Islamophobia is the fear of Muslims, more typically discrimination against Muslims to a severe extent. This innocent woman was a victim of Islamophobia and the murderer was rightfully sentenced to a life in prison (Germany does not practice the death penalty). This woman did nothing wrong, she was murdered for wearing an Islamic headscarf and being an Islamic woman living in Germany.

Islamic Terrorism is also another topic I would like to briefly touch on. Recently in the United States a Muslim man had a shooting rampage against innocent people at the military base in Fort Hood, Texas. Currently it is not certain that he did it out of extremist beliefs, but it is strongly likely. Regardless, 9/11 and the London City Terrorist attacks were both examples of Islamic Terrorism. The ideology typically believes that it is Allah's will to kill the "infidels" also known as the enemies of Islam (typically the West and nations involved in the war against Terrorism in the Middle East). Other sects take a Hadith seriously that states that the apocalypse (and global rule of Islam) will not happen until Jews are exterminated and the "infidels" are destroyed. This ideology is wicked and must be stopped.

Now, what I would like to know is how do you all propose we stop both the injustice of Islamophobia and the problem of Islamic Terrorism? I hope to see a world free of discrimination, free of terrorism, and a world where we can disagree but respectfully understand another person's worldview. I personally believe that there needs to be a strong destination between Islam and Islamic Terrorism. They are not the same and most Muslims will tell you that the Islamic Terrorists are not practicers of what the Koran teaches. In fact, much of the Islamic Terrorism that goes on is between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslim groups in the Middle East. I also believe that Islamic Terrorism must not be tolerated (same with Islamophobia), that police and military action be taken to dismantle Terrorist groups for the sake of all innocents.


um..idealisticly..sure, why not? But in reality this issue dates back so far...I mean it's just an example of racism/prejudice. And how do u get rid of something like that? your best bet is education...I mean the USA has been chasing terrorists for so long, and new terrorists are made everyday. Everybody has thier prejudices and the way they beleive the world should be viewed... and why not kill the guys with ideologies opposite of yours? its basic human nature.

We cant really stop it, but the most we can do is to try and contain it, limit it in just one country at a time. strengthening social control might help this process. but these attacks have been going on since the begginning of the human race...utopia cant exists on this world...Even Hitler attempted to "dismantle" his enemies "for the sake of all" his people, but he also failed...peace over war
55941 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
58 / F / Midwest, rural Am...
Offline
Posted 11/11/09

kyoukoujin wrote:

(。・▽・) I propose to hire digs as the leading spokesman for anti-Islamophobia and anti-Islamic Terrorism; then, publicly broadcast his thoughts about it worldwide.

Bulletproof limousine is not provided. Would be glad to hire DomFortress, JJT2, seraphalford, and darkphoenix3450 to be his bodyguards. Yei would be served as a team mascot.


I guess your sarcasm can serve as comic relief to these sometimes dry dialogs, heaven knows I've shared my own sarcasm in several threads. I just recently become aware of your contributions to ED forums. Have you ever shared intelligent information as well as your too sharp wit? Maybe I've missed it.
Posted 11/12/09

farmbird wrote:


kyoukoujin wrote:

(。・▽・) I propose to hire digs as the leading spokesman for anti-Islamophobia and anti-Islamic Terrorism; then, publicly broadcast his thoughts about it worldwide.

Bulletproof limousine is not provided. Would be glad to hire DomFortress, JJT2, seraphalford, and darkphoenix3450 to be his bodyguards. Yei would be served as a team mascot.


I guess your sarcasm can serve as comic relief to these sometimes dry dialogs, heaven knows I've shared my own sarcasm in several threads. I just recently become aware of your contributions to ED forums. Have you ever shared intelligent information as well as your too sharp wit? Maybe I've missed it.


(。・▽・) I don't like to boast that my shared info is intelligent or not. [I'm a student of life and I'm still learning from it]. Using CR's search engine is good enough to track my posts here in forums.
Yei
9137 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
116
Offline
Posted 11/12/09 , edited 11/12/09
Islamophobia just comes from ignorance, some people have legitimate reason to have it if they are. Like if they see Shaikhs preaching extremism and they base their view of Islam on that. For Islamophobia, we just need to educate people better and it will go down if Islamic Terrorism goes down.

Islamic terrorism, like any terrorism, is done for a reason.


The ideology typically believes that it is Allah's will to kill the "infidels" also known as the enemies of Islam (typically the West and nations involved in the war against Terrorism in the Middle East). Other sects take a Hadith seriously that states that the apocalypse (and global rule of Islam) will not happen until Jews are exterminated and the "infidels" are destroyed. This ideology is wicked and must be stopped.


Some really extreme Muslims may have the view that infidels should be killed, but that's not the reason for most Islamic terrorism. There's infidels all over the world, but they specifically target the West. I don't think the extreme hadiths and other religious teachings are the cause of it either, it's more of a political problem.

Once we can understand the reasons, or causes of this terrorism, we can begin to figure out ways to end it. If you don't even look at the reasons behind the attacks, then how can you know how to do anything about it? It always surprised me how some people think they just randomly hate the US and the West for no reason, or because they "hate our freedom," or any other stupid ideas. The reason for all the hatred and the terrorism is explained here by two extremists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGGS11QQNlY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4 (the end)

Ron Paul seems to get it, because he actually listens to the terrorists when they explain why they are terrorists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXOkVTJWnI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAQ1hSNZ6c

The reasons for all this terrorism and hatred, is because the West (mostly the US and Britain) are, and have been, meddling with the Middle East and Islamic countries.

Let's look at what the US specifically has done to the Middle East and Islamic countries. It seems like there is no other region in the world that has captured the US's attention and interest more then the Middle East. But then again all imperialist powers have great interest in the Middle East, it's one of the most important parts of the world, and all of this interest is basically because of the oil.

The US has:
-Supported/installed dictators/horrible regimes
-Destroyed countries through war
-Committed or supported war crimes and torture
-Created horrible corruption
-Other imperialistic meddling that does not serve the interests of the country's people

In:
-Saudi Arabia
-Iraq
-Israel/Palestine
-Iran
-Lebanon
-Afghanistan
-Yemen
-Egypt
-I'm sure there's more


The US went into Afghanistan and Iraq fully knowing that starting these wars would greatly increase terrorism and the threat of terrorism, but they went in anyway. And obviously if they were angry before for messing with Muslim countries, after starting wars and messing up Afghanistan and Iraq terrorism greatly increased. This is why all this Islamic terrorism exists, all the extremists have actually been very clear about this.

I guess if you want to decrease terrorism, you need to rethink foreign policy.
10652 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
20 / F / Indonesia Raya
Offline
Posted 11/13/09
We should always remember "Whoever sows the wind reaps the storm"
Your actions all have consequences. You are responsible for the bad consequences of your bad actions.
And "Where there is smoke, there is fire". There's a cause for everything.

Clearly it's not based on religion. If you started bombing another place on different part of the world, they surely would hate you and surely would give you what you gave them. That's common. Well it because of media coverage and and agenda of some big nations to called them Axis of Evil that makes people started to think faith is behind all this, whereas commodity and giving influence is the 2 most major factors that caused prejudiced against Islam.

Whereas in Islam teachings. It is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city. Same goes to Egyptian army and Ottoman Empire who took turn came to Jerusalem as both are Muslims army.

Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. So many people take War on Infidels in too way different meaning. It's not about killing people, but tell them about Islam whoever interested. Just during in Rwanda Genocide. As people of Rwandans stated :


"It wasn't the kind of jihad that has been in the news since Sept. 11, 2001. There were no references to Osama bin Laden, the World Trade Center or suicide bombers. Instead there was only talk of April 6, 1994, the first day of the state-sponsored genocide in which ethnic Hutu extremists killed 800,000 minority Tutsis and Hutu moderates."

"We have our own jihad, and that is our war against ignorance between Hutu and Tutsi. It is our struggle to heal," said Saleh Habimana, the head mufti of Rwanda. "Our jihad is to start respecting each other and living as Rwandans and as Muslims."

Some say Muslims did this because of the religion's strong dictates against murder, though Christian doctrine proscribes it as well. Others say Muslims, always considered an ostracized minority, were not swept up in the Hutus' campaign of bloodshed and were unafraid of supporting a cause they felt was honorable.

"I know people in America think Muslims are terrorists, but for Rwandans they were our freedom fighters during the genocide," said Jean Pierre Sagahutu, 37, a Tutsi who converted to Islam from Catholicism after his father and nine other members of his family were slaughtered. "I wanted to hide in a church, but that was the worst place to go. Instead, a Muslim family took me. They saved my life."

Sagahutu said his father had worked at a hospital where he was friendly with a Muslim family. They took Sagahutu in, even though they were Hutus. "I watched them pray five times a day. I ate with them and I saw how they lived," he said. "When they pray, Hutu and Tutsi are in the same mosque. There is no difference. I needed to see that."

Nish Imiyimana, an imam here in Ruhengeri, about 45 miles northwest of Kigali, the capital, contends: "We have enough of our own problems. We don't want a bomb dropped on us by America. We want American NGOs [nongovernmental organizations] to come and build us hospitals instead."

Imams across the country held meetings after Sept. 11, 2001, to clarify what it means to be a Muslim. "I told everyone, 'Islam means peace,' " said Imiyimana, recalling that the mosque was packed that day. "Considering our track record, it wasn't hard to convince them."

"If it weren't for the Muslims, my whole family would be dead," said Aisha Uwimbabazi, 27, a convert and mother of two children. "I was very, very thankful for Muslim people during the genocide. I thought about it and I really felt it was right to change."

Read more in Washington Post of Jihad Is Taught as 'Struggle to Heal'


Muslims accept vast portions of the Bible and accept many Judeo-Christian teachings. Although many Americans believe that all Muslims are Arabs and all Arabs are Muslims, in fact less than 20 percent of the Muslims in the world are Arab. Even the most Islamic Arab countries have citizens who believe in other religions. In Indonesia, for example, which has the world's largest Islamic population, 88 percent of its 280 million people are Muslims.


Many Muslims are being employed in security defense of America. Check the link.
Like the Bible, the Koran is open to interpretation, up to a point. "Those terrorists must be reading a completely different Koran than the rest of us," said Marine Corps Capt. Aisha Bakkar-Poe. Bakkar-Poe is from Kentucky

Chaplain Muhammad said service members must understand that their fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen who are Muslim are just like they are. "It's important for all of us to see ourselves as coming from the same origin," he said. "It's too easy for people to get off on what's different.

"People have a way of just being people," he continued. "That nature God has already put into us. There's not one Polish nature or Italian nature or Muslim nature or Christian nature. It's just human nature. When people get to the essence of what makes us who we are, then that's what binds us together.

"The Koran says that God created us different nations and tribes that we may come to know each other, not that we should hate or despise each other." Freedom of conscience is laid down by the Qur’an itself: ‘There is no compulsion in religion’. (2:256)


The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether a person is Muslim or not. Racism is incomprehensible to Muslims, for the Qur’an speaks of human equality in the following terms:

‘O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in Allah’s sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allah is All-Knowing,
Al-Hujuurat. (49:13)
Posted 11/13/09 , edited 11/13/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:

We should always remember "Whoever sows the wind reaps the storm"
Your actions all have consequences. You are responsible for the bad consequences of your bad actions.
And "Where there is smoke, there is fire". There's a cause for everything.

Right. You mean we're responsible for the terrorists' actions? That's ...uhm, great.
Of course, there's a cause for everything. But Islamic, and Middle Eastern terrorism existed way before 9/11, Iraq invasion, creation of Isreal, etc.


Clearly it's not based on religion. If you started bombing another place on different part of the world, they surely would hate you and surely would give you what you gave them. That's common. Well it because of media coverage and and agenda of some big nations to called them Axis of Evil that makes people started to think faith is behind all this, whereas commodity and giving influence is the 2 most major factors that caused prejudiced against Islam.

Sure, they just use Islam as a means to further their terrorist agenda. Martyrdom is rather convincing, you know.
Excuse me? What bombing are you speaking of? Hahaha, an agenda of some big nations. The axis of Evil must be those big nations, hm?
I think it's hard to discern between the two. Islam isn't just a faith, a religion, it's also law. And honestly, people can't ignore that most Islamic terrorists use their religion to further their means, they call their war against the west their Jihad not just for the "lulz" factor.


Whereas in Islam teachings. It is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city. Same goes to Egyptian army and Ottoman Empire who took turn came to Jerusalem as both are Muslims army.

Is that so? North of Cyprus, all Orthodox churches are either destroy and then replaced with mosques, or they're not destroyed but are used for something else, just not as a place of worship for Orthodox Christians.
In Egypt Christians have to fear more Islamic violence. In Pakistan, Christians, and other minorities are being regularly oppressed, and persecuted.
To this day, no other religion than Islam is permitted to be practised in public in Saudi Arabia. There are no Christian churches, nor synagogues. Think about it. Where the fuck is the tolerance you're speaking of, because honestly, I can't find it, so help me there.
Oh, and please, quote the parts of the Quran, or the Shariah laws where it would state that it's a priority of Muslims to protect the minorities. Since I can't help but remembering the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered.



Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. So many people take War on Infidels in too way different meaning. It's not about killing people, but tell them about Islam whoever interested. Just during in Rwanda Genocide. As people of Rwandans stated :


"It wasn't the kind of jihad that has been in the news since Sept. 11, 2001. There were no references to Osama bin Laden, the World Trade Center or suicide bombers. Instead there was only talk of April 6, 1994, the first day of the state-sponsored genocide in which ethnic Hutu extremists killed 800,000 minority Tutsis and Hutu moderates."

"We have our own jihad, and that is our war against ignorance between Hutu and Tutsi. It is our struggle to heal," said Saleh Habimana, the head mufti of Rwanda. "Our jihad is to start respecting each other and living as Rwandans and as Muslims."

Some say Muslims did this because of the religion's strong dictates against murder, though Christian doctrine proscribes it as well. Others say Muslims, always considered an ostracized minority, were not swept up in the Hutus' campaign of bloodshed and were unafraid of supporting a cause they felt was honorable.

"I know people in America think Muslims are terrorists, but for Rwandans they were our freedom fighters during the genocide," said Jean Pierre Sagahutu, 37, a Tutsi who converted to Islam from Catholicism after his father and nine other members of his family were slaughtered. "I wanted to hide in a church, but that was the worst place to go. Instead, a Muslim family took me. They saved my life."

Sagahutu said his father had worked at a hospital where he was friendly with a Muslim family. They took Sagahutu in, even though they were Hutus. "I watched them pray five times a day. I ate with them and I saw how they lived," he said. "When they pray, Hutu and Tutsi are in the same mosque. There is no difference. I needed to see that."

Nish Imiyimana, an imam here in Ruhengeri, about 45 miles northwest of Kigali, the capital, contends: "We have enough of our own problems. We don't want a bomb dropped on us by America. We want American NGOs [nongovernmental organizations] to come and build us hospitals instead."

Imams across the country held meetings after Sept. 11, 2001, to clarify what it means to be a Muslim. "I told everyone, 'Islam means peace,' " said Imiyimana, recalling that the mosque was packed that day. "Considering our track record, it wasn't hard to convince them."

"If it weren't for the Muslims, my whole family would be dead," said Aisha Uwimbabazi, 27, a convert and mother of two children. "I was very, very thankful for Muslim people during the genocide. I thought about it and I really felt it was right to change."

Read more in Washington Post of Jihad Is Taught as 'Struggle to Heal'



"They are converting as a sign of appreciation to the Muslim community who sheltered them during the genocide." <--- Yes, I guess that was the main motivation of the converts. I mean it's understandable if we consider the role some Christians played in the Rwandan genocide.
Other than that, this looks like a completely different jihad than the ones Muhammad led.


Muslims accept vast portions of the Bible and accept many Judeo-Christian teachings. Although many Americans believe that all Muslims are Arabs and all Arabs are Muslims, in fact less than 20 percent of the Muslims in the world are Arab. Even the most Islamic Arab countries have citizens who believe in other religions. In Indonesia, for example, which has the world's largest Islamic population, 88 percent of its 280 million people are Muslims.

Hmm, guess that only 18% have enough guts to be anything but Muslim.



Many Muslims are being employed in security defense of America. Check the link.
Like the Bible, the Koran is open to interpretation, up to a point. "Those terrorists must be reading a completely different Koran than the rest of us," said Marine Corps Capt. Aisha Bakkar-Poe. Bakkar-Poe is from Kentucky

Chaplain Muhammad said service members must understand that their fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen who are Muslim are just like they are. "It's important for all of us to see ourselves as coming from the same origin," he said. "It's too easy for people to get off on what's different.

"People have a way of just being people," he continued. "That nature God has already put into us. There's not one Polish nature or Italian nature or Muslim nature or Christian nature. It's just human nature. When people get to the essence of what makes us who we are, then that's what binds us together.

"The Koran says that God created us different nations and tribes that we may come to know each other, not that we should hate or despise each other." Freedom of conscience is laid down by the Qur’an itself: ‘There is no compulsion in religion’. (2:256)


The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether a person is Muslim or not. Racism is incomprehensible to Muslims, for the Qur’an speaks of human equality in the following terms:

‘O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in Allah’s sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allah is All-Knowing,
Al-Hujuurat. (49:13)


Hmm, makes you really wonder why there's so much intolerance though. I guess this Marine Corps captain can be happy for having grown up in a place where education is readily available for anyone.
636 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Andromeda
Offline
Posted 11/13/09

ShroomInferno
Oh, and please, quote the parts of the Quran, or the Shariah laws where it would state that it's a priority of Muslims to protect the minorities. Since I can't help but remembering the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered.
.


What about telling us, first, the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered?



Posted 11/13/09 , edited 11/13/09

Real_ZERO wrote:


ShroomInferno
Oh, and please, quote the parts of the Quran, or the Shariah laws where it would state that it's a priority of Muslims to protect the minorities. Since I can't help but remembering the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered.
.


What about telling us, first, the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered?

Or what is an infidel according to the Muslim faith? Because I swear that all these killings done by the Islamic terrorists are blurring the line between their standard of infidels and people that they just don't like.
10652 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
20 / F / Indonesia Raya
Offline
Posted 11/13/09

ShroomInferno wrote:

Right. You mean we're responsible for the terrorists' actions? That's ...uhm, great.
Of course, there's a cause for everything. But Islamic, and Middle Eastern terrorism existed way before 9/11, Iraq invasion, creation of Isreal, etc.


Who are 'we' in your perspective? You're Swedish, so I don't know if your nation included in 'we'.
Yes, Islam were exist far from US founded. But they're not terrorism, are do you meant those who fighting that rejecting Invaders in Iraq and Afghanistan? And who's fault that brings Israel to Palestine, because of UN and US permitted that while there's no permission for them to enter it.

Of course if they talked to Palestinians with proper diplomacy, there must have been place for Israeli to living considering the number Jews refugees are huge . But rather they conducted it by proper terror to Palestinian people, that's why they are resistance movement against illegitimate nations who have been violating international laws. I believe you know more than that, or maybe not?


ShroomInferno wrote:

Sure, they just use Islam as a means to further their terrorist agenda. Martyrdom is rather convincing, you know.
Excuse me? What bombing are you speaking of? Hahaha, an agenda of some big nations. The axis of Evil must be those big nations, hm?

I think it's hard to discern between the two. Islam isn't just a faith, a religion, it's also law. And honestly, people can't ignore that most Islamic terrorists use their religion to further their means, they call their war against the west their Jihad not just for the "lulz" factor.


Sure, they just use accusation of Weapon of Mass Destruction and Biological Weapon to invade illegally without UN permission and not considering their innocent. Those childish statements are absolutely convincing for ignorant people, you know.

Excuse me? Which Axis of Evil are you speaking of? Hahaha, coming from people who doesn't know anything about war of Iraq and Afghanistan. Just for your info, Axis of Evil was declared by Bush to Iran, North korea and others, so they can invade them illegally. And it's success to convinced big nations.

I think it's easy to discern religions. Islam is faith, religion and way of life. And honestly, people ignoring that most Islamic resistance use their faith to strengthen themselves to resist of big nations illegitimate invasion. They call their war against west their rights to live with their own without being bombed by aircraft everyday, not just for Jihad factor.


ShroomInferno wrote:

Is that so? North of Cyprus, all Orthodox churches are either destroy and then replaced with mosques, or they're not destroyed but are used for something else, just not as a place of worship for Orthodox Christians.
In Egypt Christians have to fear more Islamic violence. In Pakistan, Christians, and other minorities are being regularly oppressed, and persecuted.

To this day, no other religion than Islam is permitted to be practised in public in Saudi Arabia. There are no Christian churches, nor synagogues. Think about it. Where the fuck is the tolerance you're speaking of, because honestly, I can't find it, so help me there.
Oh, and please, quote the parts of the Quran, or the Shariah laws where it would state that it's a priority of Muslims to protect the minorities. Since I can't help but remembering the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered.


Where? Then, they are not practice Islam in right manners. They are just extremist who can't be tolerant to other religions. Don't treat all muslims are like that because act of some. That's racist. Why not look into Iran and Indonesia, the most conservative and most populous muslims in country?

Is there any Christian and Jews who 'willing' to build it? If there is no demand, then there won't be anyone to build. Is there any mosques in Vatican and Israel (not Jerusalem)? Think about it, what kind of tolerance you're speaking of? Because honestly, I can't find it in you. You better seek help to anyone that capable to teach about tolerance .

Here is some:
‘O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in Allah’s sight is the greatest of you in piety. Allah is All-Knowing, (49: 13)

6) And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.

7) How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

8) How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse.
Madina (9 : 6-8)

32) For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. (9:32)

Everyone always skipped the main verses and just highlighted the verses that say kill. Common attack to religion, right?


ShroomInferno wrote:

"They are converting as a sign of appreciation to the Muslim community who sheltered them during the genocide." <--- Yes, I guess that was the main motivation of the converts. I mean it's understandable if we consider the role some Christians played in the Rwandan genocide.
Other than that, this looks like a completely different jihad than the ones Muhammad led.

Hmm, guess that only 18% have enough guts to be anything but Muslim.


That's first reason, there are more many reasons if you really read it. Kindness, peace, consideration and making two ethnic pray together without distinction that brought by Islam are just some reasons they converted and the truth about Qur'an if you really wanted to learn.
You're 1% that really attacking religion without look it deeper. I guess we can always safely ignoring your posts.


ShroomInferno wrote:

Hmm, makes you really wonder why there's so much intolerance though. I guess this Marine Corps captain can be happy for having grown up in a place where education is readily available for anyone.


That's only you. People in army feel it in difference way, they are not so ignorant unlike some people. Act by some doesn't represent as whole. I guess people can saying anything in a place where they can have luxury home without even being injured by guns in desert.



Real_ZERO wrote:


ShroomInferno
Oh, and please, quote the parts of the Quran, or the Shariah laws where it would state that it's a priority of Muslims to protect the minorities. Since I can't help but remembering the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered.
.


What about telling us, first, the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered?


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060914001306AA3aptj
Read the comments below. Clearly, they only cut verses and ignoring main verses to attacking religion.


DomFortress wrote:


Real_ZERO wrote:


ShroomInferno
Oh, and please, quote the parts of the Quran, or the Shariah laws where it would state that it's a priority of Muslims to protect the minorities. Since I can't help but remembering the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered.
.


What about telling us, first, the verses where it states that infidels should be slaughtered?


Or what is an infidel according to the Muslim faith? Because I swear that all these killings done by the Islamic terrorists are blurring the line between their standard of infidels and people that they just don't like.


Infidel is mainly non-muslims and muslims who doesn't want to practice Muslims teachings. And in Muslims teachings, we have being ordered to respect another religion and do not disturb them, while we should answer them with respect whenever they curious about Islam. I believe people are just prejudiced against Islam and can't distinguish between war of religion and politics.
Posted 11/13/09
well ask most people in the united states what a terrorist is, and they will tell you that it is an Muslim with an gun. No i am not trying to be an asshole i am really being serious.
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.