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Creationism ... and some other stuff, too
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It is kinda hard to find a historical viewpoint if the person researching is not trying to prove it. Most people won't admit what they don't want to believe
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Haha a geocities link. That made me crack up soo much.

Seriously, I'm not saying that the Bible isn't true. I'm saying you can't take everything it says for pure fact. The earliest known copy of the complete Bible is the Codex Amiatinus which dates back to the 8th century A.D. in England. Thus it shouldn't count as a primary source since a primary source is a document that is unchanged and free form historical bias about a specific time period. The Bible cannot be taken for fact because it is not the original draft, thus it isn't free from interpretation as it was rewritten by various other people.

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Also, my smart ass comment wasn't directed to the historical accuracy of the Bible. I'm not doubting that it has some truth to it. It was main toward the church and state comment.


Separation of church and state is the stupidest law ever made our nation was founded on the principles of Christianity thats the reason people came to America in the first place so they wouldnt be persecuted for believing in God.


My apologies for the confusion.
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I'm not saying that the universe wasn't created by any of these methods but God made the universe what method he used i don't know and just because it said seven days doesnt mean seven days by our books a day in gods eyes is different than the human time system

It may have been a geocities site but the links were not
my bad for double comment new here it might take me a minute to remember i can do that

STOP. DOUBLE. POSTING.
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whether seven days here or seven days in another time, the argument boils down to the existence of God or a sentient being that is able to create the universe. that is the argument that need be proved with creationism. the bible does not account for the creation of god, merely states His existence and his deeds. but where did he come from and how did he come to be? i would argue that the bible cant prove his existence.

but the big bang theory is not so easily proven either. that is why it is a theory, not a law.
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Agreed when it comes to the existence or God it is blind faith but enough of the bible has been proven that i don't need fact to truly believe i've felt god's presence in my life before that's how i know he is real and is was not one of those everyones doing it i'm going to do it and no i wasn't high either i was praying about serious stuff and felt his presence and answer to me

why is double posting so bad
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It's not necessarily bad, it's just annoying.
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red3finition wrote:

there maybe somethings about the bible that actually happened and can be historically proven. i dont doubt that. but that the universe and world was created in a mere seven days..im going to need a little more convincing.


There's a theory that they weren't today's seven days, but instead much longer time periods, and really seven incraments of time. I'm not saying it's right, or wrong. If you want to see a source where this theory can be found, you can read about it here... http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/sixdays2.asp

It would make more sense if it was in seven long incraments... but personally I don't need proof like this. I trust what God is telling me. Like you said, blind faith.
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Thank God someone agrees with me
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lumiina wrote:


red3finition wrote:

there maybe somethings about the bible that actually happened and can be historically proven. i dont doubt that. but that the universe and world was created in a mere seven days..im going to need a little more convincing.


There's a theory that they weren't today's seven days, but instead much longer time periods, and really seven incraments of time. I'm not saying it's right, or wrong. It could be possible. If you want to see a source where this theory can be found, you can read about it here... http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/sixdays2.asp

It would make more sense if it was in seven long incraments... but personally I don't need proof like this. I trust what God is telling me. Like you said, blind faith.

Well that doesn't sound so much like a theory as it does a guess. It's only a theory if there's supporting evidence and can be tested. Someone just pulled this out of their ass to justify what doesn't make sense.

And I'll never understand how people can be comfortable with blind faith.
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Agreed when it comes to the existence or God it is blind faith but enough of the bible has been proven that i don't need fact to truly believe i've felt god's presence in my life before that's how i know he is real and is was not one of those everyones doing it i'm going to do it and no i wasn't high either i was praying about serious stuff and felt his presence and answer to me THAT'S NOT BLIND FAITH
If you guys would actually take the time to believe and trust in Him you would know the truth and that it is not at all BLIND FAITH
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Sorry but basing a belief off of a "feeling" sounds pretty blind to me.
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Creationism sounds stupid IMO....
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Hey, if everyone agreed, things wouldn't be as exciting then right?

Anyway, I can't say anything against blind faith, but that doesn't help support your argument either. Without some primary source or substantial evidence, you're still not providing proof.

Also the church has been known to support many of the scientific theories that we have. To be honest, it makes the other side look weaker since they cannot even have a cohesive argument since they Christians are even split on the matter.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1735730,00.html

Also about the Big Bang and the origin of matter:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1978/penzias-lecture.pdf

It's a pretty difficult reading, though, for me at least. I had a bit of trouble comprehending all of it. Took a couple of tries to get the overall gist of it all. However, I'm not the smartest kid around so don't be intimidated.
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You wouldn't know if it was blind or not until you've felt it. Thats how i was in the same boat as ya'll
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