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Creationism ... and some other stuff, too
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Personally I think we might as well mention everything. My school does go over all the approaches, but with more emphasis on the science. I don't see the problem since most of the students know somewhat about both sides and will eventually bring it up in debates. It shouldn't go too in depth, but at least a mention would be alright. It will be the same case as the mention of the development of religion in the history classes.
Posted 5/23/07
Okay, so right
I did my Religious Studies Gcse the other week. Because I live in England, therefore it being compulsary to learn about religion.
To be honest with you, it hasnt done me any harm in learning it. I dont really understand why people dont like it. Im not particulary interested in religion, but it helps to have a knowledge in peoples beliefs.
One of the sections I had to study was Creationism, and matters of life and death, and the concept of believing in God. And I had the question ; "outline the two differeing opinions about the creation of the universe, one scientific, one religious"
I also had to explain the idea of design and effect.

We learn about every possible outcome. About atheism, christianity, agnosticism, and all the other religions. We learn all about each viewpoint they have.
This really helps us all to form our opinions about what we want to believe, and it reall makes you think about God.

I mean if you go through school learning about things like believing in god and creationism, it helps you to form your oWN opinion about the subject.
Free thinking yeah??
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okay first of all, me mentioning blind faith was not a stab at anyone. i know it takes blind faith to believe. and all the presence in my life deal, yes thats how you all feel i understand.

and thats where the argument lies with creationism. faith allows for the existence of God, but once that is challenged, all that is ever presented is "I believe in Him, he exists what else do i need?" and that is why creationism will always be just an argument rather than a theory because it is never allowed to be tested, nor can it really be tested.

i meant no offense to anybody with faith. its just that when someone says "seperation of church and state is the stupidest law ever" i take offense. im a true believer of the constitution.

and i still dont understand how you can believe in creationism but in the laws of physics as well, such as gravity.arent people being a tad hypocritical? back then, it was either religion did everything or science did everything, never a middle ground. i feel that its a bit contradictory that someone can believe in some science only. forgive me if im rambling.
Posted 5/23/07
I agree Atazuki. That's one of the reasons why I have no problem learning about evolution in school. It's foolish to argue for or against a topic you are ignorant about.
Posted 5/23/07
[= Thanks for agreeing

Its why I cant understand why its not taught in public schools in America
(not that I actually know much about the Usa)

But knowing that
Most defiantely hepls me get my point across ^__^

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Posted 5/23/07

red3finition wrote:

okay first of all, me mentioning blind faith was not a stab at anyone. i know it takes blind faith to believe. and all the presence in my life deal, yes thats how you all feel i understand.

and thats where the argument lies with creationism. faith allows for the existence of God, but once that is challenged, all that is ever presented is "I believe in Him, he exists what else do i need?" and that is why creationism will always be just an argument rather than a theory because it is never allowed to be tested, nor can it really be tested.

i meant no offense to anybody with faith. its just that when someone says "seperation of church and state is the stupidest law ever" i take offense. im a true believer of the constitution.

and i still dont understand how you can believe in creationism but in the laws of physics as well, such as gravity.arent people being a tad hypocritical? back then, it was either religion did everything or science did everything, never a middle ground. i feel that its a bit contradictory that someone can believe in some science only. forgive me if im rambling.


Good point. Creationism shouldn't be a scientific theory, I agree with you.

And yes, I hate it when christians have biased thoughts against science. I believe that God created science so we could understand the world He created for us.
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O it isnt that we dont know. seperation of church and state just prevents there to be a national religion, so public schools arent allowed to teach anything religion based per say. but it isnt that we arent informed about it, nor do we not know about, its just not under the official curriculum.

EDIT: Science was created so that God could make us understand the world he created for us..
i will laugh when the day science disproves the existence of God, but at the same time, if ever proven to be real or existent, i will deem all science to be evil and believe only in God.

but as of now, its still neither proven or disproven and i truly truly believe that science is the way to go. ive always just thought that religion was created when people did not know how to explain things. why do tornadoes happen? back then it was because it was the wrath of God. now its because hot air and cold air meet and forms a system or something like that LMAO.
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Our country was founded with influence of church in the state look how far we've come from a true christian society whether you believe it or not our nation was too founded on the principles of christianity. It is true they left because to escape persecution. And in turn they wanted to create a christian society. It is written in the constitution In God We Trust, on our coins In God we trust, in the pledge In God We Trust. Most of our forefathers were christians so yes our nation was founded on christian principles. So yes it is the stupidest law ever "Separation of Church and State"
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Mmm gonna have to call you out on this one. Most of the founding fathers of America were believed to be secularists who wanted a separation of religion and government. All that "In God We Trust" was added way later.
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The wrath of God was never used to scientifically say that is how tornadoes are made. Thats just how he give his people a sign or try and get a point across
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Nowhere in the Constitution does it say in God we trust. it is in the currency and it does say one nation under God in the pledge. and it isnt denying as to whether the forefathers were religious or not but only they will know what their true intent is. The Constitution, the supreme law of the land of the United States, mentions nothing of religion except in the first amendment, and has nothing based on Christian Principle unless you coin fairness as originating from the christians.

for all we know, In God We Trust could just be a saying, like O my God.
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fuzzmaster wrote:

Mmm gonna have to call you out on this one. Most of the founding fathers of America were believed to be secularists who wanted a separation of religion and government. All that "In God We Trust" was added way later.


That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_religion_mean_to_our_founding_forefathers
http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9805/religion.html
http://www.wakeupamericainc.org/ministrymessage.html
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
Sorry Fuzzmaster but not even close
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God's wrath lives on today, and shows no mercy. The soldiers dieing in Iraq is the cause of America accepting homosexuality. If we get rid of all laws protecting homosexuals, god's wrath will be put to a stop. And somehow all the suicide bombers, will all of the sudden stop. God tells us in a merciless way "Violence is theanswer." The public schools are corrupted saying that "Violence is NOT the answer", we should teach God in public schools and indeed shove it down everyone's throats. I see nothing wrong with it, I just see positive results.

And Rhymes, please stop with the use of "stupidest". Please.
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Edit: ^Sarcasm I hope

Alright fair enough, the first part may not be true but I'm still sticking to the second bit saying that the "In God We Trust" stuff wasn't added until way later.
Posted 5/23/07
Seperation of Church and State is a good law.

Church and State should be seperated, for then laws against every sin would be created. You'd be fined for having sex before you are married. We are given the free will to sin, and it should be our choice to not sin, not forced upon by the government. Laws are here to protect our people, and to let our people be free.

Sorry if that sentence was sloppy.

However, seperation of church and state can be taken too far, such as when they suspend a kid for praying in school, and crazy stuff like that. I don't think that's why it was created. When I was in elementary school, I wasn't allowed to say Merry Christmas, because they said it would offend others that don't celebrate christmas. Sometimes I feel people misinterpret what seperating church and state is.
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