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Posted 11/30/09 , edited 11/30/09

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mangasaddict wrote:

Do you think it's a good idea to travel to Japan to study? that's what I want to do.
But lately I'm having some doubts about it. Can I do it there? if I'm not really capable of speaking Japanese fluently.
Can someone study Manga art and animation anywhere else from Japan?
Can someone only live by being mangaka? I mean is it paid well?
Is living in Japan really different? Culture and stuff (racism,value for money,...)

I need someone to answer these questions and share their thoughts with me.
Thanks a lot.
Deborah.

My short answers are no, not really, most definitely, possible only if you're popular, depends on the geographical location.

Before we begin, have you been seriously considering your options about living in Japan while you studying? You sound to me like you want to make a career as an manga artist in Japan, but all you have got are superficial secondhand information. And they are mostly positive, not negative. In other words, you're not seeing the whole picture.

Do you even have a favorite artist? Is there an original story concept you can build on? What is the nature of the Japanese manga industry? Do you have any connection into the society? Just how much do you know about Japan aside from your limited understandings based on Japanese pop subculture? How are you going to make a living in Japan while you're still studying?

Keep in mind that those are some of the questions that your parents will be asking you, in order for them to decide should they let you go to Japan and study to become a manga artist.



I understand what you're trying to say
I have favorite artistS yes, that I admire and I try to study their drawing techniques, like Hisaya Nakajo and Matsuri Hino.
I have an original story concept
yes, I am working on it anyway.
And I don't know a lot about Japan, this is why I created this topic! So you can help me collect the needed informations.
and as for living and studying in Japan, I understand it is not going to be easy, but it's okay as long as I get what I want in the end, which is become a successful mangaka.
I already had a talk with my mother, she is considering the subject but I think she's okay with it.
But you seem to have some idea about the difficulties and the negative side of Japan, if that is really the case I would like you to share your informations and impressions or even thoughts with me, that would help me a lot actually.

I gave you some aspects of the dark sides within the Japanese society from my last post via hyperlink.

Based on your preference of favorite Japanese manga artists, I would say Matsuri Hino is the more successful out of the two by Japanese manga industry standard. Because as the original creator of the Vampire Knight manga series, she's therefore the original concept artist of the franchise known as Vampire Knight and Vampire Knight Guilty TV series. However, understand that her success isn't based on her creativity in story writing, but rather it's her drawings as marketable image label in the Japanese manga market. In other words, in order for you to be successful as a manga artist in Japan, all you have to do is draw mass-appealing images and get them published in large quantity for consumption. When originality and creativity, two hallmarks of individuality, has no place in the Japanese society under their collectivist cultural influence.

Therefore your future success as a Japanese manga artist in Japan has nothing to do with what you want for who you are, when it's only about what the Japanese market wants to consume. And when you consider just how homogeneous the Japan society is about foreigners, when individually they consume foreign products as the only form of individual expression that they're collectively allowed to have. While they all behave the same by them faking it in Japan.
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Posted 12/1/09

DomFortress wrote:


mangasaddict wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


mangasaddict wrote:

Do you think it's a good idea to travel to Japan to study? that's what I want to do.
But lately I'm having some doubts about it. Can I do it there? if I'm not really capable of speaking Japanese fluently.
Can someone study Manga art and animation anywhere else from Japan?
Can someone only live by being mangaka? I mean is it paid well?
Is living in Japan really different? Culture and stuff (racism,value for money,...)

I need someone to answer these questions and share their thoughts with me.
Thanks a lot.
Deborah.

My short answers are no, not really, most definitely, possible only if you're popular, depends on the geographical location.

Before we begin, have you been seriously considering your options about living in Japan while you studying? You sound to me like you want to make a career as an manga artist in Japan, but all you have got are superficial secondhand information. And they are mostly positive, not negative. In other words, you're not seeing the whole picture.

Do you even have a favorite artist? Is there an original story concept you can build on? What is the nature of the Japanese manga industry? Do you have any connection into the society? Just how much do you know about Japan aside from your limited understandings based on Japanese pop subculture? How are you going to make a living in Japan while you're still studying?

Keep in mind that those are some of the questions that your parents will be asking you, in order for them to decide should they let you go to Japan and study to become a manga artist.



I understand what you're trying to say
I have favorite artistS yes, that I admire and I try to study their drawing techniques, like Hisaya Nakajo and Matsuri Hino.
I have an original story concept
yes, I am working on it anyway.
And I don't know a lot about Japan, this is why I created this topic! So you can help me collect the needed informations.
and as for living and studying in Japan, I understand it is not going to be easy, but it's okay as long as I get what I want in the end, which is become a successful mangaka.
I already had a talk with my mother, she is considering the subject but I think she's okay with it.
But you seem to have some idea about the difficulties and the negative side of Japan, if that is really the case I would like you to share your informations and impressions or even thoughts with me, that would help me a lot actually.

I gave you some aspects of the dark sides within the Japanese society from my last post via hyperlink.

Based on your preference of favorite Japanese manga artists, I would say Matsuri Hino is the more successful out of the two by Japanese manga industry standard. Because as the original creator of the Vampire Knight manga series, she's therefore the original concept artist of the franchise known as Vampire Knight and Vampire Knight Guilty TV series. However, understand that her success isn't based on her creativity in story writing, but rather it's her drawings as marketable image label in the Japanese manga market. In other words, in order for you to be successful as a manga artist in Japan, all you have to do is draw mass-appealing images and get them published in large quantity for consumption. When originality and creativity, two hallmarks of individuality, has no place in the Japanese society under their collectivist cultural influence.

Therefore your future success as a Japanese manga artist in Japan has nothing to do with what you want for who you are, when it's only about what the Japanese market wants to consume. And when you consider just how homogeneous the Japan society is about foreigners, when individually they consume foreign products as the only form of individual expression that they're collectively allowed to have. While they all behave the same by them faking it in Japan.



What you said is a little bit scary you know?
But I think I would give myself a little time to think about all this, and I think that you, you wouldn't travel there to study. Am I right?
Posted 12/1/09

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DomFortress wrote:


mangasaddict wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


mangasaddict wrote:

Do you think it's a good idea to travel to Japan to study? that's what I want to do.
But lately I'm having some doubts about it. Can I do it there? if I'm not really capable of speaking Japanese fluently.
Can someone study Manga art and animation anywhere else from Japan?
Can someone only live by being mangaka? I mean is it paid well?
Is living in Japan really different? Culture and stuff (racism,value for money,...)

I need someone to answer these questions and share their thoughts with me.
Thanks a lot.
Deborah.

My short answers are no, not really, most definitely, possible only if you're popular, depends on the geographical location.

Before we begin, have you been seriously considering your options about living in Japan while you studying? You sound to me like you want to make a career as an manga artist in Japan, but all you have got are superficial secondhand information. And they are mostly positive, not negative. In other words, you're not seeing the whole picture.

Do you even have a favorite artist? Is there an original story concept you can build on? What is the nature of the Japanese manga industry? Do you have any connection into the society? Just how much do you know about Japan aside from your limited understandings based on Japanese pop subculture? How are you going to make a living in Japan while you're still studying?

Keep in mind that those are some of the questions that your parents will be asking you, in order for them to decide should they let you go to Japan and study to become a manga artist.



I understand what you're trying to say
I have favorite artistS yes, that I admire and I try to study their drawing techniques, like Hisaya Nakajo and Matsuri Hino.
I have an original story concept
yes, I am working on it anyway.
And I don't know a lot about Japan, this is why I created this topic! So you can help me collect the needed informations.
and as for living and studying in Japan, I understand it is not going to be easy, but it's okay as long as I get what I want in the end, which is become a successful mangaka.
I already had a talk with my mother, she is considering the subject but I think she's okay with it.
But you seem to have some idea about the difficulties and the negative side of Japan, if that is really the case I would like you to share your informations and impressions or even thoughts with me, that would help me a lot actually.

I gave you some aspects of the dark sides within the Japanese society from my last post via hyperlink.

Based on your preference of favorite Japanese manga artists, I would say Matsuri Hino is the more successful out of the two by Japanese manga industry standard. Because as the original creator of the Vampire Knight manga series, she's therefore the original concept artist of the franchise known as Vampire Knight and Vampire Knight Guilty TV series. However, understand that her success isn't based on her creativity in story writing, but rather it's her drawings as marketable image label in the Japanese manga market. In other words, in order for you to be successful as a manga artist in Japan, all you have to do is draw mass-appealing images and get them published in large quantity for consumption. When originality and creativity, two hallmarks of individuality, has no place in the Japanese society under their collectivist cultural influence.

Therefore your future success as a Japanese manga artist in Japan has nothing to do with what you want for who you are, when it's only about what the Japanese market wants to consume. And when you consider just how homogeneous the Japan society is about foreigners, when individually they consume foreign products as the only form of individual expression that they're collectively allowed to have. While they all behave the same by them faking it in Japan.



What you said is a little bit scary you know?
But I think I would give myself a little time to think about all this, and I think that you, you wouldn't travel there to study. Am I right?


Don't give up on your dream everything is a little bit scary at 1st but japan is not all that bad. If I had the money i would honeslty go there to visit and stay a few months but alas all that is still a dream as well lol. If I had the chance to study there you bet I would In a heart beat Japanese schools are so much better than American and by a huge long shot as well. Every country has their faults and problems but it is always good to know about them 1st before visiting or wanting ot live there lol
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Posted 12/1/09 , edited 12/1/09
i lived in Japan for 10 years... just some stereotypical stuff that make some people scare to go study there... in my opinion, Japan is not bad at all....

USA is scarier.
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some of my friends went in august they are having amazing fun ^_^
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

Don't give up on your dream everything is a little bit scary at 1st but japan is not all that bad. If I had the money i would honeslty go there to visit and stay a few months but alas all that is still a dream as well lol. If I had the chance to study there you bet I would In a heart beat Japanese schools are so much better than American and by a huge long shot as well. Every country has their faults and problems but it is always good to know about them 1st before visiting or wanting ot live there lol


You are right. I shouldn't give up. I may have to make more researches!
Thanks a lot!


bdragonst wrote:

i lived in Japan for 10 years... just some stereotypical stuff that make some people scare to go study there... in my opinion, Japan is not bad at all....

USA is scarier.





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some of my friends went in august they are having amazing fun ^_^


Thanks a lot everyone.
What you said gave me confidence.
Posted 12/2/09 , edited 12/2/09

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What you said is a little bit scary you know?
But I think I would give myself a little time to think about all this, and I think that you, you wouldn't travel there to study. Am I right?

If what I said sounded scary to you, then let that emotion be your indicator of the Japanese social structure; faction loyalty. A well documented social behavior in basic Asian Study course, and also something that I've personally experienced first hand as a victim of such structure. When I was an young international Chinese born Canadian, who lived and studied not in Japan, but in Taiwan until I turned 11.

Keep in mind that elitism and collectivism are not separate entities, when together they facilitate faction loyalty. While that fear you're experiencing is your original negative emotional respond towards my objectively neutral description of the big picture that's Japanese society, when I didn't used any negative emotional phrase in my last post. Therefore if you value your individuality, then you should be aware of how the Japanese downplay on individuality. When "Being used to be treated as a group, not as individuals, they are embarrassed and naive when they have to stand up for themselves"(citation), while the author of that article relied on her loyalty as a Japanese citizen to act as her protection as an individual. Whereas I OTOH use both my personal experiences as well as my individual discipline to challenge their system as an individual. And when there are great Japanese manga artists like Osamu Tezuka, Leiji Matsumoto, Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, Tsukasa Hojo, Naoki Urasawa, Kaiji Kawaguchi, Tetsuo Hara, Ryoichi Ikegami, and Go Nagai. Who inspire and challenge their readers not only with their original art styles, but with their compelling characters and stories concepts.
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im planning to study animation and manga art there (in the future)
but i have to work for it.
i believe if there's a will there's a way..im quite nervous of being there..that's why i need to study japanese as soon as possible..and understand their culture better,,
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Do you think it's a good idea to travel to Japan to study? that's what I want to do.
But lately I'm having some doubts about it. Can I do it there? if I'm not really capable of speaking Japanese fluently.

no, esp if you can`t speak japanese, it would be better for you to consider some exchange or study abroad program if you do decided to go.


Can someone study Manga art and animation anywhere else from Japan?

no one really learn`s manga art, the way they DO learn is usually through experience such as working as assistants for other established artists. but as far as i know, there is no course on learning how to draw a manga.
but there are animation courses everywhere.


Can someone only live by being mangaka? I mean is it paid well?

if you`re good and you draw for a big publishing company/magazine it will pay ok/well, and it`ll def be a more long term/run thing.
but overall, it does not pay well, and the living cost in japan (tokyo) will def be a whole LOT higher than whatever pay you`ll be getting at first. (though i don`t know whether you`re good or not or whether ppl will like it or not.)


Is living in Japan really different? Culture and stuff (racism,value for money,...)

i dunno which country you`re comparing to, so its hard to say how different it will be from where you are.
it also where in japan you`re referring too, since japan do have very big differences between cities.
assuming it`s tokyo, where i would think has more job offers, it`s like any big busy city. (asian city, since some of the places the US claims to be big cities - apart from NY, i really wouldn`t consider as big cities - i would personally call them towns.) + some weirdly/colourfully dressed teens - mid20s

i think the biggest difference though compared to most of the world is that living expenses is high.


i know japan is where all the good manga came from and is published from, but look at mark crilley (don`t sue me mc) he somehow (miraculously) got his `manga` published by harper collins in US.
if he can do it, you can too! - though apparently it might take some politics.

another thing is, if you plan to draw manga for japanese ppl in japan, you DO have to learn japanese and the story will need to be for the japanese AUDIENCE.
and artists hire assistants that they are likely to be able to communicate with.

i hope i didn`t come off sounding too negative, i just think you should know all or at least as much as you can before you make a decision that leads to your career decision. of course, what i know is pretty limited too, and might not be true in some other publishing company or some other artists.

i`d honestly die to be one of oda`s assistants though, so i kinda understand how you feel.
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'I lived in Japan for 8 years. 4 year wile I was in the Air Force (American) , and Another 4 years over there working in Japan as a Metal Artist.' A artist who makes things out of metal.'

'I did not think it was that big of a change for me. Seem a little more easy to find work than it was in America. (I am white for those that really think Japan is racist, you really need to learn the truth only the older generation hates outsiders it seems, and there all just about on there death beds now. )

'As for going there to study? I would not go there to study animation. The style Japan uses for much of there cartoons and comics is a classic American style that Japan borrowed, its not theirs nor is it new...!' (you can learn about it anywhere.)'






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okay as I said in the previous post I'm going to take some intensive Japanese courses.
so I think It'll be helpful.
I want to study exclusively the manga art, and if possible Animation as well, so I'm not going to attend a high school or something!
I will travel there as soon as I am 18 years old, so I think that for the work problem it's okay.
since I will have to work in a part time job.
but do you think that working in a part time job will be enough to cover my needs? or will it still be too expensive?
for how long did you live there? and how were you able to study in a Japanese highschool while not being Japanese ( I mean writing Japanese characters and all) wasn't it difficult? or is it that you do speak Japanese?
I am happy about what you said about the environment, that's a really important fact for me.
hehe, you got me excited to go there!
Thanks a lot for everything you said, this was really interesting to read and useful.
:D


I think that working part time at jobs such as McDonalds isn't enough to fund you. Unless, of course, you're living in somewhere cheap and you are careful with what you buy. If you know enough Japanese, you could probably apply as an English tutor for public elementary schools. You just teach them about greetings , weathers, time, and so on. Just imagine teaching a baby how to speak. Yeah, you can see me guffawing while my classmates were speaking broken english ("Herro, haw aru yuu?") .

And I lived there for 6 years, and of course when I first started, I didn't get at all what they were saying, but after 6 years you were bound to learn a thing or two so I guess I slowly learned the language trough experience? I do write characters, and I do speak japanese. But they were gained from being there for so long.

Gotta remind you though, learning how to write there is extremely difficult. You can write one character(Kanji) and it can be read in many ways, and it has many meanings.

But you'll probably find Hiragana (ひらがな) and Katakana (カタカナ) easy so master those first. Then you move on to the hard stuff, Kanji (漢字) <- This is what I was talking about in my sentence above.

Also, you probably knew this but they rarely write in katakana, and they only use those for emphasizing noises, or for foreign words. And writing everything in hiragana is considered very odd for most people, if you are not under Grade 4. You gotta mix kanji in your sentence. Learning kanji is very important, so no matter what, keep trying to remember lots of them and their meanings.

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okay as I said in the previous post I'm going to take some intensive Japanese courses.
so I think It'll be helpful.
I want to study exclusively the manga art, and if possible Animation as well, so I'm not going to attend a high school or something!
I will travel there as soon as I am 18 years old, so I think that for the work problem it's okay.
since I will have to work in a part time job.
but do you think that working in a part time job will be enough to cover my needs? or will it still be too expensive?
for how long did you live there? and how were you able to study in a Japanese highschool while not being Japanese ( I mean writing Japanese characters and all) wasn't it difficult? or is it that you do speak Japanese?
I am happy about what you said about the environment, that's a really important fact for me.
hehe, you got me excited to go there!
Thanks a lot for everything you said, this was really interesting to read and useful.
:D


I think that working part time at jobs such as McDonalds isn't enough to fund you. Unless, of course, you're living in somewhere cheap and you are careful with what you buy. If you know enough Japanese, you could probably apply as an English tutor for public elementary schools. You just teach them about greetings , weathers, time, and so on. Just imagine teaching a baby how to speak. Yeah, you can see me guffawing while my classmates were speaking broken english ("Herro, haw aru yuu?") .

And I lived there for 6 years, and of course when I first started, I didn't get at all what they were saying, but after 6 years you were bound to learn a thing or two so I guess I slowly learned the language trough experience? I do write characters, and I do speak japanese. But they were gained from being there for so long.

Gotta remind you though, learning how to write there is extremely difficult. You can write one character(Kanji) and it can be read in many ways, and it has many meanings.

But you'll probably find Hiragana (ひらがな) and Katakana (カタカナ) easy so master those first. Then you move on to the hard stuff, Kanji (漢字) <- This is what I was talking about in my sentence above.

Also, you probably knew this but they rarely write in katakana, and they only use those for emphasizing noises, or for foreign words. And writing everything in hiragana is considered very odd for most people, if you are not under Grade 4. You gotta mix kanji in your sentence. Learning kanji is very important, so no matter what, keep trying to remember lots of them and their meanings.



thanks a lot for all of this! well I was thinking about starting to take japanese intensive courses this summer!
that would help me! and I'll also start working to get used to the terms of work I mean to get used to work ^^ :p
and the Herro Haw aru yuu was very funny! hehe
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I know a couple of people in the industry you want to enter. First the school issue. For animation and manga schools, japanese people usually go to trade schools or join manga club at their university. In the case of trade schools, they don't sponsor foreign students even if they want to unless it's a big school. I have a family friend who use to be the Principal/president at one of these animation/manga/video game schools and even though he would like to, the procedures that he would have to go through to let it process through immigration seem to be a hassle.

Secondly, another annoying part of japan is they ask for your bank statement to make sure that you or your supporter will be able to pay for it. If not, they might deny you visa. not sure about admissions. I should know because i'm studying in Japan as a graduate student researching on digital media technologies and I can tell you that the beginning processes were frustrating. I would call the administration often since they aren't very good at explaining things.

Lastly, the manga business is tough. If you want to dedicate almost 7 days a week on doing manga for just decent pay. Then that's fine. I know especially when it's crunch time, they stay up for 3 days straight to get their stuff done by the deadline.

I personally think that you don't need to go to Japan to learn manga or animation. It would be most worth your time and money to just go there to learn the language and experience the culture.

Sorry to sound negative but i wanted to you give some of facts before you proceed. better to have a fuller picture than a half painted one.
Posted 12/27/09
on one side you might want to look up voice actresses as well since anime and manga are co-related in one way or another. Here are some of my faves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rie_Kugimiya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aya_Hirano
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i dont think it would be a good idea if you went to school in america for so many years then switched to japan's learning style. They are more serious about education than alot of cultures
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