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Posted 12/5/09
you made me nervous..
i dont know why i took education...---soon i'll be teaching special children..yay..!!!

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Posted 12/13/09
sometimes i feel that teachers are too unreasonable. and strict. i mean, whats wrong with a student wanting to have fun?? also, education keeps getting tougher. students will be more stressed and will lead a nt so healthy life. in addition, teachers keep scolding them when they do not understand questions, and make them even more stressed.i believe that there are good teachers around, but i hope there will be more. i once had this really nice teacher; he respected us alot, and treated us like adults. he also put trust in us.and the whole class really liked him.
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The teacher is the symptom, not the problem. The problem is that the information being taught is a commodity, and the relationship between the school and the manufacturers of the information, the textbook publishing industry, is a commodity relationship.

I *guarantee* you, no high school math teacher has ever had the freedom to say, "you know, we need an extra couple of weeks of intro number theory and logic, or else we get into a weird place towards the end of the book that always pisses off the smarter students. Redo the table of contents, and send me a draft of the text."

As a result of a for-profit curriculum, several bad things happen. The teacher has about as much autonomy as a prison guard. Entire academic departments are reduced to being little more than rooms full of over-credentialed bargain-hunters. The massive scale of the publishing industry forces the texts to be written for the largest audience, necessarily excluding students on either side of the bell curve. In humanities-like subjects like history and languages, reality is "adjusted" to make it more marketable to consumers. For example, here in the US, things like the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, the Tuskeegee experiments, and the Nicaragua debacle are all allowed to remain suppressed history; Spanish textbooks have weird compromises between dialects. I'm sure there are other examples.

So again, I don't think the teachers are the problem. Granted, a lot of them are jackasses... what kind of person *wants* to be a prison guard? I'm sure most of them have good intentions, though.
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Posted 12/26/09
i have kind of the same pronlem.. it's not a ED teacher.. but my PE teacher
i am not saying it just because i'm quite lazy but as a whole concept

the thing with her is this: she's extremely focused basically only on volleyball and gymnastics..
all these 3 i think also next year, that means all these 4 years all i do is volleyball and gymnastics nad atheltics
she never gives us a change i mean. there areother sports that you can do in or outsde

when we asked her for other sports: like basketball or floorbal (spelling?) she answered: i don't liek them

my point is this: we all are sick of these same routines nad we tell her every lessen, but she ignores it
and then she¨s very surprised at our disgruntled faces or the not so active movements

trying to tal to her doesn't help

and the worst is this
PE teacher are there to help you form a 'bond' with sport, they try to motivate you to do sports
well she does the exact opposite

a girl of mine, she's thin, here come's the teachr and says bluntly and aloud: maan, your ass is gtting bigger and bigger

two days before it my homerooom teachertold the whole class the 'school rules'
there¨s this one: teachers can't , how do i say it, i don't remember it so well, but simply the teachers shouldn't critizite our bodys

here she goes and tells you're fat and so on

i don't think there¨s a way to talk to her

we tried to talk to her, we treid to get an other teacher

nothing helps
and now with her husband as the principal there¨s nopthing we can do

simply sucks


okay i'm done with my ranting
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09
Teachers are victims of the school system just as much as students are. While it's true that there are teachers who just would have been better off as secretaries, but then there are also those who'd like to bring some change, who are really committed to helping their students but they can't because they have to follow a certain school curricula, and are financially strongly limited. In Europe a few schools have changed their curriculum, they adapted to their students' needs, and not surprisingly their methods are so good that the students have all strongly improved, can retain more information, are more versatile, and fare better than students who go to normal schools. The problem to make this a global thing? Well, it would require a reform of the curriculum, and it's a project that requires cash...yes, money.
Posted 12/26/09

ShroomInferno wrote:

Teachers are victims of the school system just as much as students are. While it's true that there are teachers who just would have been better off as secretaries, but then there are also those who'd like to bring some change, who are really committed to helping their students but they can't because they have to follow a certain school curricula, and are financially strongly limited. In Europe a few schools have changed their curriculum, they adapted to their students' needs, and not surprisingly their methods are so good that the students have all strongly improved, can retain more information, are more versatile, and fare better than students who go to normal schools. The problem to make this a global thing? Well, it would require a reform of the curriculum, and it's a project that requires cash...yes, money.

My provincial government's new school legislation is the proof of your theory. Just because they needed some reasons to justify their overspending on the 2010 Winter Olympics.
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09

DomFortress wrote:

My provincial government's new school legislation is the proof of your theory. Just because they needed some reasons to justify their overspending on the 2010 Winter Olympics.


And our teachers are getting less paid by 50% starting this year. They're salary was already low, now it's..just an insult. In spite of this, my country's students are among the better, or even the best. I think it's thanks to the communistic heritage. Yes, even communism brought some positive things with it, or maybe my nation is just one of the more intelligent ones ;P
Posted 12/26/09

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DomFortress wrote:

My provincial government's new school legislation is the proof of your theory. Just because they needed some reasons to justify their overspending on the 2010 Winter Olympics.


And our teachers are getting less paid by 50% starting this year. They're salary was already low, now it's..just an insult. In spite of this, my country's students are among the better, or even the best. I think it's thanks to the communistic heritage. Yes, even communism brought some positive things with it, or maybe my nation is just one of the more intelligent ones ;P

I think it's the fact that your teachers made teaching more than just a job or a career, when they made it into a calling. Otherwise they wouldn't still be there even though they get lousy pays for what they do.According to the study about individual job satisfaction, your job becomes a calling when you "work less for the financial gain or career advancement than for the fulfillment the work brings".

To me, that's like me finding a purpose in my life worth doing because it's meaningful. And if I was right, then what you got there could be some very dedicated teachers who are good at what they do, because of the harsh conditions that they're in while they still managing to get the children educated(well,somewhat ). While at the same time I think capitalism don't offer authentic happiness, when capitalists value their happiness based on ownerships, not their selves worth.
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DomFortress wrote:


ShroomInferno wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

My provincial government's new school legislation is the proof of your theory. Just because they needed some reasons to justify their overspending on the 2010 Winter Olympics.


And our teachers are getting less paid by 50% starting this year. They're salary was already low, now it's..just an insult. In spite of this, my country's students are among the better, or even the best. I think it's thanks to the communistic heritage. Yes, even communism brought some positive things with it, or maybe my nation is just one of the more intelligent ones ;P

I think it's the fact that your teachers made teaching more than just a job or a career, when they made it into a calling. Otherwise they wouldn't still be there even though they get lousy pays for what they do.According to the study about individual job satisfaction, your job becomes a calling when you "work less for the financial gain or career advancement than for the fulfillment the work brings".

To me, that's like me finding a purpose in my life worth doing because it's meaningful. And if I was right, then what you got there could be some very dedicated teachers who are good at what they do, because of the harsh conditions that they're in while they still managing to get the children educated(well,somewhat ). While at the same time I think capitalism don't offer authentic happiness, when capitalists value their happiness based on ownerships, not their selves worth.


That is bullshit.. I know for a fact teachers get paid pretty damn well compared to other jobs. And they get summers off!

A Gym teacher gets paid $18.00 an hour and that is there starting pay.. To baby sit kids... The gym teacher At the school I went to back in the day, gets over $34.00 an hour. Where I am from in small town in NY you be lucky to find a job that pays half that. with 4 years collage backing.
Plus they are pretty much guaranteed they will never loose there job. How many other jobs can a person do just about nothing but baby sit kids, and get paid more than $20.00 hour?

I might not be a teacher... but I do substitute for them... I have yet to meet a teacher wile I am there, that gave a damn about the kids. There more about ok read that from page 12.. Hell most of them do not even teach the kids that are haven trouble they just shrug at them and let them struggle.

Wile I was substituting I was told; me just being there helping them out the few days that I was there, they ended up learn more at that time than they learned all year long.

Posted 12/27/09 , edited 12/27/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:



That is bullshit.. I know for a fact teachers get paid pretty damn well compared to other jobs. And they get summers off!

A Gym teacher gets paid $18.00 an hour and that is there starting pay.. To baby sit kids... The gym teacher At the school I went to back in the day, gets over $34.00 an hour. Where I am from in small town in NY you be lucky to find a job that pays half that. with 4 years collage backing.
Plus they are pretty much guaranteed they will never loose there job. How many other jobs can a person do just about nothing but baby sit kids, and get paid more than $20.00 hour?

I might not be a teacher... but I do substitute for them... I have yet to meet a teacher wile I am there, that gave a damn about the kids. There more about ok read that from page 12.. Hell most of them do not even teach the kids that are haven trouble they just shrug at them and let them struggle.

Wile I was substituting I was told; me just being there helping them out the few days that I was there, they ended up learn more at that time than they learned all year long.


FYI, the communistic background of ShroomInferno might be hinting that he's not from North America. Therefore they might be paying their teacher differently than in the US.

I can assure you even in PE classes it's more than just baby sitting a bunch of kids. When kids can learn in PE about hands-eyes coordination, motor skills, active lifestyle, teamwork, motivational skill, leadership skill, task orientation.

However, today's public education program is a "drill & practice" teaching pattern not that it works, but because it's the easiest pattern to teach other would-be teachers to adapt and adopt. While it's the easiest teaching style to regulate, I think it's also the worst kind of teaching technique there is for our kids to adapt and adopt, simply because it lacks flexibility.

For example, my grade 10th English teacher taught us poetry using songs done by Metalica as templates. My grade 12th Chemistry teacher showed us how to make solid rocket fuel using everyday household chemicals. My grade 12th Physics teachers rewarded us for finishing our lab experiments early by letting us watch "Bill Nye The Science Guy". In short, my old teachers had to do somethings different from the textbooks because they too were bored with what's being taught to me when I was a student.

Furthermore, today's post-secondary educations are mostly done in discussion based lab classes as oppose in big lecture halls. Because they are more engaging and dynamic, as long as the topic discussions are relative to the subject materials. However, this is difficult to regulate progress because it's hard to standardize the learning process. In other words, the teachers can't write tests and handout homework to their students, when they can't grade the results because they're not based on textbook materials.
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