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The future of war.
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Its funny how many people still are afraid to the extent they are of all out nuclear warfare. Honestly it's pretty unlikely with all the counter measures etc. Not saying that a nuke is not a scary thing, but it really is tame compared to what I see as the future of war.

In an increasingly troubled economy/resource deprived (local and global) world I think people will start to shun away from things like nukes. Why? Because a Nuke will not only destroy the people, but also the area around it.

Eventually, sooner or later (at this rate sooner) the world is going to be in serious trouble regarding natural resources such as oil, water, and food. If WWIII does happen it will be over those things.

And if that does happen, Nukes will not be used simply because along with obliterating the enemy forces, they destroy the resources around them.

Now, what I am about to say is just my thoughts. I have no tangible evidence or proof but:

I really believe the future of war is going to be Biological/Chemical. I mean, honestly? It's really only a matter of time (if it is not already created) before somebody comes up with a virus that does something along the lines of eating organic tissue and then dying off when its food supply is gone.

Think about that... you could wipe out an entire city of people, and leave the buildings, phone likes, technology, everything man made intact.

Of course the problem with such a virus is two fold: One, it has a potential to mutate (then we are all #$%^ed) and two it would kill crops as well.

Still, I really think being eaten alive by a organic virus is much worse then being blown up....

Alternative to organic virus? Micro Explosives on the nano scale. You could drop them into a water supply, and then detonate them all after people consumed them. And yes, I DID watch that episode of Naruto Ship, but that's not were the idea is from.

Of course, assuming we don't kill ourselves off in such ways AND the world somehow survives the next billion years or so (or was it 10?) the sun is going to die and that will be that. Good thing we won't have to worry about it, since we will all be dead anyways.

Hope you enjoyed my pondering into humanity's fate. Discuss?
Posted 12/1/09 , edited 12/1/09

Still, I really think being eaten alive by a organic virus is much worse then being blown up....


Why? If a nuclear bomb is dropped anything in it's radius would be disintegrated instantly, while an organic virus slowly eats its way through the inside, making it a slow and painful death.

Honestly I'd rather be blown up.
Posted 12/1/09

Of course, assuming we don't kill ourselves off in such ways AND the world somehow survives the next billion years or so (or was it 10?) the sun is going to die and that will be that. Good thing we won't have to worry about it, since we will all be dead anyways.

Why do everyone thinks we're supposed to live forever and the dying sun is our "crap-your-pants" horror?
We'll die long before this for a bunch of reasons, I'm sure.


About future of war, I don't mind to be a slave controled by a virus as long as I have my spare time with books, The Velvet Underground and smoking.
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Posted 12/2/09

Gaia93 wrote:


Still, I really think being eaten alive by a organic virus is much worse then being blown up....


Why? If a nuclear bomb is dropped anything in it's radius would be disintegrated instantly, while an organic virus slowly eats its way through the inside, making it a slow and painful death.

Honestly I'd rather be blown up.


Uh... Thats what I said... The virus is WORSE....


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Of course, assuming we don't kill ourselves off in such ways AND the world somehow survives the next billion years or so (or was it 10?) the sun is going to die and that will be that. Good thing we won't have to worry about it, since we will all be dead anyways.

Why do everyone thinks we're supposed to live forever and the dying sun is our "crap-your-pants" horror?
We'll die long before this for a bunch of reasons, I'm sure.


About future of war, I don't mind to be a slave controled by a virus as long as I have my spare time with books, The Velvet Underground and smoking.


Live forever? Who said that? I am just saying that IF we survive eventually we are all screwed anyways. I mean, everyone dies in the end. The point (one point) of life is to put off death as long as possible.

Also, in what way did I say the virus would make us slave? If such a virus was made it would surly be used to destroy life. An army of slaves may make a good work force but they all need to be maintained. My argument was this would be a war about remaining resources. If you took over a population you still have to feed/clothe them etc.
Posted 12/2/09

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Live forever? Who said that? I am just saying that IF we survive eventually we are all screwed anyways. I mean, everyone dies in the end. The point (one point) of life is to put off death as long as possible.

Also, in what way did I say the virus would make us slave? If such a virus was made it would surly be used to destroy life. An army of slaves may make a good work force but they all need to be maintained. My argument was this would be a war about remaining resources. If you took over a population you still have to feed/clothe them etc.


Ah, don't take my post seriously. I was just fooling around.
Though it was a popular idea back in the Cold War years, I'm not sure we'll die in the suicide of war. We have screwed our own planet and killed and still killing lots of species just for our apetite thought we perfectly can live without this violence. I don't care about wars, let people do their dirty business but don't let them hurt the others cause they have nothing to do with our bullshit.

Biological weapons aren't the myth. They were used back in the WWII, no? All this gas which kills you within a minute. Virus isn't that hard to make as well. But I don't understand the point of your asking. I'm not sure we should even imagine all that scary stuff.
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I'll gladly take the virus, not all viruses would essentially be painful as some can cause dementia. You'd really be too out of it to know if you're lucky. Considering uranium can last for 5 billion years. In the event there is a nuclear catastrophe and a few people survive you're left with the reconstruction of your nation, future birth defects because of radiation, increase of cancer, contaminated water.

Even with a virus there's no guarantee. There are ebola survivors so whatever you infect the populous with better be deadly.

I'll take my chances with a virus. If it's horrible I'd just off myself. I'd rather have that then live in a place with no hope for myself or humanity whatsoever. Plus after a certain point there's military enforced government quarantines and burning bodies to reduce the spread of infection.
Posted 12/2/09
not to sound like an ass but it will probably just be a push button in the next 30 years or so
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The reason governments don't use viruses such as the one I described is the chance of mutation.

I highly doubt the push button scenario though, but it would be a funny comic strip.

My imagination can get scarier then this... I try to avoid such thoughts though.
Posted 12/2/09 , edited 12/2/09

Gaia93 wrote:


Still, I really think being eaten alive by a organic virus is much worse then being blown up....


Why? If a nuclear bomb is dropped anything in it's radius would be disintegrated instantly, while an organic virus slowly eats its way through the inside, making it a slow and painful death.

Honestly I'd rather be blown up.

What is a HANE maneuver.

You don't need to scorch earth at ground zero, when an globalized EMP caused by a high altitude nuclear explosion can fry out any and all unprotected electronic devices. With zero nuclear dust fallout on the earth surface to cause nuclear pollution. So no Fist of the North Star or Mad Max like fictional scenarios, when they're hardly realistic comparing to a more practical usage of nuclear weapon technology in ECM warfare. The ultimate real war scenario that produces zero casualty.

Although it's too bad for those with pacemakers, or any other patients in the hospitals who are depending on some sort of electronic life support systems. But hey, better all of us than some.

Don't you just love collectivist mindset?[/sarcasm]
Posted 12/2/09

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Gaia93 wrote:


Still, I really think being eaten alive by a organic virus is much worse then being blown up....


Why? If a nuclear bomb is dropped anything in it's radius would be disintegrated instantly, while an organic virus slowly eats its way through the inside, making it a slow and painful death.

Honestly I'd rather be blown up.

What is a HANE maneuver.

You don't need to scorch earth at ground zero, when an globalized EMP caused by a high altitude nuclear explosion can fry out any and all unprotected electronic devices. With zero nuclear dust fallout on the earth surface to cause nuclear pollution. So no Fist of the North Star or Mad Max like fictional scenarios, when they're hardly realistic comparing to a more practical usage of nuclear weapon technology in ECM warfare.

Too bad for those with pacemakers, or any other patients in the hospitals who are depending on some sort of life support systems.


....So you're saying we won't be disintegrated?
Posted 12/2/09

Gaia93 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Gaia93 wrote:


Still, I really think being eaten alive by a organic virus is much worse then being blown up....


Why? If a nuclear bomb is dropped anything in it's radius would be disintegrated instantly, while an organic virus slowly eats its way through the inside, making it a slow and painful death.

Honestly I'd rather be blown up.

What is a HANE maneuver.

You don't need to scorch earth at ground zero, when an globalized EMP caused by a high altitude nuclear explosion can fry out any and all unprotected electronic devices. With zero nuclear dust fallout on the earth surface to cause nuclear pollution. So no Fist of the North Star or Mad Max like fictional scenarios, when they're hardly realistic comparing to a more practical usage of nuclear weapon technology in ECM warfare.

Too bad for those with pacemakers, or any other patients in the hospitals who are depending on some sort of life support systems.


....So you're saying we won't be disintegrated?

A HANE has zero nuclear radiation dust fallout because the explosion can be as high as in the upper atmosphere, where general relativity and mechanical physics dictate that the heat and shock-wave of the blast will escape into space where there is next to zero atmospheric density.

Therefore no, we won't get disintegrated, incinerated, or eradicated by a HANE ECM warfare. We will however can't use any and all unprotected electronic devices, due to the nature of ECM warfare.
Posted 12/2/09


Thanks for ruining the dream.
Posted 12/2/09 , edited 12/2/09

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Thanks for ruining the dream.

Don't thank me, thank the war. When all I did was used my imagination to seek out possibility, just like any good scientist should. I did gave you fair warning, though.
Posted 12/5/09
Waged by automated, satellite-guided, tactical strikes and autonomous machines. No human soldiers will be involved, just technicians to control the equipment.
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Posted 12/12/09
Albert Einstein said it best: "I don't know how World War III will be fought but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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