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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/john-marcotte-california_n_287796.html

John Marcotte, a California web designer, is collecting signatures to put the California Marriage Protection Act on the ballot. The Act is an amendment to California's state constitution that would make divorce illegal. It's main goal is to satirize the passing of Proposition 8, which made gay marriage illegal in California in order to "protect the sanctity of marriage." Marcotte and many others feel that Prop 8 did not do enough to keep marriage sacred, so they are starting this movement.

I think this is a great idea, and I hope this movement spreads across the entire nation. It would be awesome if it passed, but of course it won't since most of the people who supported Prop 8 won't give up their right to defy the sanctity of marriage, even though they have no problem with preventing people with different lifestyles from doing so. Gotta love that good 'ol fashioned American hypocrisy.


isnt it you who are being hypocritic, in all due respect, tell me if i miss read your quote please, you are saying you are supporting the people who oppose other peoples choice and lifestyle, who in return that other group is against first group's view or lifestyle, and yet you disapprove and are preventing the second groups lifestyle and views....isnt that hypocricy, within hypocriscy?
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Sorry for the late reply, I have finals going on this week.

I have been thinking about the issue of gay marriage and how to treat it as a Christian. It is a sin to live the gay life style, just as much so to be promiscuous and be straight. All sex outside of marriage is wrong, and sexual purity within marriage is to be kept. Because I believe in the Bible as the Word of God I believe the morals and sins in it are just, so I can't support these acts. At the same time though I am not called to judge others or impose my beliefs on them. The Bible doesn't say to force others to conform, but to live a life mirroring that of Christ. God gives us freedom to make choices, and as an American living in a democratic society it is my civil duty to vote on issues. If someone is gay or has premarital sex that's not for me to judge them. What I am to do is stand up for my beliefs but not imposing them on others. I will vote against gay marriage because I think it's wrong, however I will not judge gays or anyone else and put myself in a position to force my beliefs on them. I will stand up for what I believe is right and voice my opinion through my vote. But if it passes or if someone is gay I am not going to force my beliefs on them. I am supporting my belief that what they are doing is wrong, and I will not respect sinful behavior. Hate the sin love the sinner of sorts. I am still thinking and praying on this issue though, I don't know all the answers. Thanks for making me think.


the bible teaches me to marry a woman, and get a female slave, rape her, and have my wife "act" out a birthing with the slave, and force the female slave to give up the child....thats a perfect sexual purity and right moral for everyone to follow.
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digs wrote:

Sorry for the late reply, I have finals going on this week.

I have been thinking about the issue of gay marriage and how to treat it as a Christian. It is a sin to live the gay life style, just as much so to be promiscuous and be straight. All sex outside of marriage is wrong, and sexual purity within marriage is to be kept. Because I believe in the Bible as the Word of God I believe the morals and sins in it are just, so I can't support these acts. At the same time though I am not called to judge others or impose my beliefs on them. The Bible doesn't say to force others to conform, but to live a life mirroring that of Christ. God gives us freedom to make choices, and as an American living in a democratic society it is my civil duty to vote on issues. If someone is gay or has premarital sex that's not for me to judge them. What I am to do is stand up for my beliefs but not imposing them on others. I will vote against gay marriage because I think it's wrong, however I will not judge gays or anyone else and put myself in a position to force my beliefs on them. I will stand up for what I believe is right and voice my opinion through my vote. But if it passes or if someone is gay I am not going to force my beliefs on them. I am supporting my belief that what they are doing is wrong, and I will not respect sinful behavior. Hate the sin love the sinner of sorts. I am still thinking and praying on this issue though, I don't know all the answers. Thanks for making me think.


the bible teaches me to marry a woman, and get a female slave, rape her, and have my wife "act" out a birthing with the slave, and force the female slave to give up the child....thats a perfect sexual purity and right moral for everyone to follow.


Where do you get that from? This is what the Bible says about marriage. Eph 5:22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Eph 5:24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her Eph 5:26 to make her holy, cleansing [fn] her by the washing with water through the word, Eph 5:27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. Eph 5:28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Eph 5:29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church- Eph 5:30 for we are members of his body. Eph 5:31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. Within the family, God has placed the husband as head of the household, the wife is under him but both are equal. It clearly states that the husband is to love his wife as his own body. The wife is under her husbands authority, but they are equal. There isn't anything wrong with having the father be the head of the household as this is what God intents. It is perfect for sexual purity (keeping to the one you have made the marriage vow with) and respect him/her as your own body. To live in submission to one another in a selfless way This is true love within marriage, mutual submission and complete respect and love for each other as one loves themselves.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/john-marcotte-california_n_287796.html

John Marcotte, a California web designer, is collecting signatures to put the California Marriage Protection Act on the ballot. The Act is an amendment to California's state constitution that would make divorce illegal. It's main goal is to satirize the passing of Proposition 8, which made gay marriage illegal in California in order to "protect the sanctity of marriage." Marcotte and many others feel that Prop 8 did not do enough to keep marriage sacred, so they are starting this movement.

I think this is a great idea, and I hope this movement spreads across the entire nation. It would be awesome if it passed, but of course it won't since most of the people who supported Prop 8 won't give up their right to defy the sanctity of marriage, even though they have no problem with preventing people with different lifestyles from doing so. Gotta love that good 'ol fashioned American hypocrisy.


isnt it you who are being hypocritic, in all due respect, tell me if i miss read your quote please, you are saying you are supporting the people who oppose other peoples choice and lifestyle, who in return that other group is against first group's view or lifestyle, and yet you disapprove and are preventing the second groups lifestyle and views....isnt that hypocricy, within hypocriscy?


I don't even get what you are trying to say...

I support the people who want everyone to live whatever lifestyle they choose, without being punished for their choice, unless their choice causes harm to other people. Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone, so they shouldn't be denied the same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.
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It is probably because in the older days people used those teachings as an excuse to treat woman as lesser people or as their slaves compared to the way we treat woman of today but i still think he went a "little to far"
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hehe sorry about that, i was a little drunk when i wrote that. if i have offended someone, i sincerly apologize.
Posted 12/15/09

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digs wrote:

Sorry for the late reply, I have finals going on this week.

I have been thinking about the issue of gay marriage and how to treat it as a Christian. It is a sin to live the gay life style, just as much so to be promiscuous and be straight. All sex outside of marriage is wrong, and sexual purity within marriage is to be kept. Because I believe in the Bible as the Word of God I believe the morals and sins in it are just, so I can't support these acts. At the same time though I am not called to judge others or impose my beliefs on them. The Bible doesn't say to force others to conform, but to live a life mirroring that of Christ. God gives us freedom to make choices, and as an American living in a democratic society it is my civil duty to vote on issues. If someone is gay or has premarital sex that's not for me to judge them. What I am to do is stand up for my beliefs but not imposing them on others. I will vote against gay marriage because I think it's wrong, however I will not judge gays or anyone else and put myself in a position to force my beliefs on them. I will stand up for what I believe is right and voice my opinion through my vote. But if it passes or if someone is gay I am not going to force my beliefs on them. I am supporting my belief that what they are doing is wrong, and I will not respect sinful behavior. Hate the sin love the sinner of sorts. I am still thinking and praying on this issue though, I don't know all the answers. Thanks for making me think.


the bible teaches me to marry a woman, and get a female slave, rape her, and have my wife "act" out a birthing with the slave, and force the female slave to give up the child....thats a perfect sexual purity and right moral for everyone to follow.


Uhhh. EXCUSE ME?

I'm not going to try to insult you because I'd be wasting my breath on a sexist pig.

But anyways...I swear...there's seriously no point in marriage -_-' Except for the benefits and all. It doesn't seem like anyone abides by the whole until death do us part...blah blah blah. People divorcing left to right
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i think the sanctity of marriage should be protected, since people seem to not take marriage seriously these days with divorce rates crazy high and etc.
It would be great if marriage would and could last forever, but staying in a loveless `agreement`makes marriage meaningless.
I`m against the idea of divorce, how everybody seems to easily accept it and don`t seem to think much of it, but i am not against the act of divorce. - if that makes sense.

Also, kids are the most important i believe, and research has shown that kids who have parents who are married but don`t get along/fight/argue etc do not do as well (generally/overall) compared to those who have divorced parents.
Basically, that kids with parents who don`t get along are more negatively affected than those with divorced parents. (both have negative effects though, but divorced parents is less so)

Posted 12/19/09

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i think the sanctity of marriage should be protected, since people seem to not take marriage seriously these days with divorce rates crazy high and etc.
It would be great if marriage would and could last forever, but staying in a loveless `agreement`makes marriage meaningless.
I`m against the idea of divorce, how everybody seems to easily accept it and don`t seem to think much of it, but i am not against the act of divorce. - if that makes sense.

Also, kids are the most important i believe, and research has shown that kids who have parents who are married but don`t get along/fight/argue etc do not do as well (generally/overall) compared to those who have divorced parents.
Basically, that kids with parents who don`t get along are more negatively affected than those with divorced parents. (both have negative effects though, but divorced parents is less so)


Well then consider the act of divorce is like married couples taking a permanent "time-out" because they don't know how to resolve their differences with proper communication skills. Which makes me wonder just what the heck were they doing when they were dating each others. While there I was trying to give communication advices to my two best friends who are married to each other, when I(single but dating with no children attached) seem to know better how to keep their marriage intact with their toddler son in the middle. Oy!

And they vowed to each other that they'll be fine for the rest of their lives together on their wedding day(was there when they invited me, aw~ <3), while the whole reason they got married after less than a year of dating was because of the unplanned pregnancy of their son. Which BTW I find it to be the most irresponsible reason to get married, when the would-be mother was still in college.

If I would've known that for their marriage to do fine requires me offering them free marriage counseling in the future, I could have gotten them a box of condoms as their wedding gift, to show just how "appreciated" I am for this "holy matrimony" . Thanks but not thanks for you two cheeped out on contraception, or is it too late to call it?
Posted 12/19/09 , edited 12/19/09
But why? What if the person is in a abusive relationship but can't leave? Are you telling me they have to suffer through it all because gays can't legally marry? It doesn't make any sense.

Haven't people ever herd of two wrongs don't make a right. Eventually it'll just blow up in everyone's face.
Posted 12/19/09

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But why? What if the person is in a abusive relationship but can't leave? Are you telling me they have to suffer through it all because gays can't legally marry? It doesn't make any sense.

Haven't people ever herd of two wrongs don't make a right. Eventually it'll just blow up in everyone's face.

When abusive relationships between romantic couples can be either physical, verbal, or both. While at some point even the "silence treatment" can be abusive, because even a lack of communication can generate conflicts due to unresolved issues being left unsaid.

Therefore if this is only a ploy to keep the communication channel on gay marriage open then I'm all for it, but if those who are supporting this law do want this legislation of banning divorce solely for themselves. Then what we're looking at could be the next step of "holy matrimony" gone constitutionally wrong.
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But why? What if the person is in a abusive relationship but can't leave? Are you telling me they have to suffer through it all because gays can't legally marry? It doesn't make any sense.

Haven't people ever herd of two wrongs don't make a right. Eventually it'll just blow up in everyone's face.


That's the whole point of this movement, to show that "protecting the sanctity of marriage" doesn't make sense because all it does is hurt people without helping anyone.

If it did pass (few people actually want it to pass, I don't) I think it would make people seriously think about what they're getting into before they get married. These days everyone's getting married all the time because they know they can just run away when they get tired of it. But if this passed then people would take that kind of commitment more seriously and not dive into it without seriously considering if the person they're marrying is really the person that they want to spend the rest of their lives with.
Posted 12/22/09

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Gaia93 wrote:

But why? What if the person is in a abusive relationship but can't leave? Are you telling me they have to suffer through it all because gays can't legally marry? It doesn't make any sense.

Haven't people ever herd of two wrongs don't make a right. Eventually it'll just blow up in everyone's face.


That's the whole point of this movement, to show that "protecting the sanctity of marriage" doesn't make sense because all it does is hurt people without helping anyone.

If it did pass (few people actually want it to pass, I don't) I think it would make people seriously think about what they're getting into before they get married. These days everyone's getting married all the time because they know they can just run away when they get tired of it. But if this passed then people would take that kind of commitment more seriously and not dive into it without seriously considering if the person they're marrying is really the person that they want to spend the rest of their lives with.

And you think I actually like giving out free relationship advices? When we're in a world with half of the population in the developed nations need this service. Just like people not having a romantic relationship for all the wrong reason, those who are ending their romantic relationships can be doing so for all the same wrong reasons as well; communication failure due to a lack of communication.

And this electronic form of communication is both the best and worst kind of communication channel possible. The instant text message service is of course reducing the communication gap, however what's left unsaid are roughly 90% of the human emotions via body languages. When words without emotions have no real feelings attached, therefore it's all up to our imaginations to fill in the void.
Posted 12/22/09

Gaia93 wrote:

But why? What if the person is in a abusive relationship but can't leave? Are you telling me they have to suffer through it all because gays can't legally marry? It doesn't make any sense.

Haven't people ever herd of two wrongs don't make a right. Eventually it'll just blow up in everyone's face.


There are many reasons why a guy knocks up a woman on a one night stand and decides to marry her to take responsibility for that or people confuse love for lust at the time. One of my co-workers x-husband just walked out on her after 15 years of marriage for another younger woman and she is only 34 and has 4 kids so yeah it depends.
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It wont pass so it doesn't matter.
In Vermont the majority of people aren't christian so if your scared of the "Since everyone thinks it it's right" argument move to Vermont.
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