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The War Against Terror: The reason why Barack Obama said we are going to war
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You mean those individuals who are held accountable in a democratic society for their actions, regardless of their position of power?

That means politicians are held accountable for their policies, leaders are held accountable for their leadership skills, public figures are held accountable for their public images, the public are held accountable for their opinions, and individuals are held accountable for their expression. When freedom is a responsibility that every individuals are entitle for their actions, not a right for individuals to take their actions for granted.

Over-thinking or not, that's exactly what I think you took for granted when you made that comment. So laugh it up, now that the joke's on you. When I don't need your pity.


In reality,George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and government under Bush's administration do NOT held accountable for their war.
Live freely by violating others freedom are not freedom. Moreover, they running from their responsibility.
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I'm not surprised at all. I don't think it has anything to do with the nature of war the Bush admin. had earlier. This is something quite different. The scourge that is the radical militants cannot be given a quarter about their methods. They really are destroying not only the religion, but also the rich culture that ties the relationship among civilizations.
Posted 12/6/09 , edited 12/6/09

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I'm not surprised at all. I don't think it has anything to do with the nature of war the Bush admin. had earlier. This is something quite different. The scourge that is the radical militants cannot be given a quarter about their methods. They really are destroying not only the religion, but also the rich culture that ties the relationship among civilizations.

And they'll do so with elitism and collectivism, which can facilitate faction loyalty that overrules individuality. This can be seen in their militia behaviors, political demonstrations, and their social structure.

As a radical minority group, the Muslim extremists forcefully subjugated the majority with fabricated media propaganda that can cause moral panics among the Muslims ethnic groups. This can be seen as the fact, when their mass media only focus on portraying the Middle Eastern Muslims as victims of war, but not including moderated Muslims who are thriving in the western society.

Not only that, their prejudice and intolerance toward anything based on the Western culture are isolating the Middle Eastern Muslims from the rest of the international community. While at the same time they're operating internationally as insurgence groups, by them publicly lying about their consents in front of the international community. And they justified their hypocrisy by them polarizing the international community and the moderated Muslims as infidels; a classic example of elitism using Islamic religion as a universal symbol.

Some moderated Muslim individual can at least pretend to acknowledge the radical extremists within other religious group. However when his source was strictly one-sided, coming from an US politician with his bias view on the US international affairs. This only means that his judgment and criticism was based on a single viewpoint, a clear sign of prejudice and intolerance.

The same behaviors of prejudice and intolerance can also be seen on individuals supporting radical Muslim extremists. And they'll create confusions with their hypocrisy of isolating individuals using isolationism, not individuals living in interdependency.

Radical Islamic extremists and their insurgents are everywhere, when they can even be seen as individuals on CR. That's the fact that we all must realize and shouldn't deny any longer, unless we allowed ourselves to behave just like they are. With political correctness sheltering and harboring our own ignorance, prejudice, intolerance, and stereotypes. That's obstructing our individual judgments and character developments.
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This is happened without no reasons. Who's the one who started invading countries, especially 3rd world countries? They do have no shame.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-580190/ending-islamophobia-and-islamic-terrorism/#28634697
Posted 12/6/09
First off, shame was lost long ago, so there should be no talk of it. The simplest answer to this question is, Barack felt that some one was going to blow him up. You could look into this all you want and say "No, Its Because barack does not care for the well being of the country" or some other outrageous claim, but the real reason is, he does not want to get blown up.

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Real_Zero made an excellent point the main people who are so called proponents of this war on terror commit terror on such a large scale that these terrorist could only dream to committing. These Leaders of the free world kill, displace and occupy more countries then these so called religious fanatics who could only just dream of this. To much double standard and hypocrisy that nobody can take anything said by many of our so called leaders of the free world seriously. I dont think anyone here is justifying any terrorism from any muslim though but many here are justifying terrorism committed by western powers because by their definition they cannot commit any terror. They believe everything done is just so therefore when you hear of a civilized country bombing, flattening a land to build new settlements in territories that dont belong to them there is absolutely no media attention but politicians justifying this. Let the third world country do the same and the information spreads like a wild fire.

If your going to stand up against terror then stand up for all. But if your going to justify terror committed by a group of people you tend to like then your a hypocritical fraud and nobody will take you serious. Hell know wonder why many Americans are finally starting to see how much of the media is garbage and looks to alternative sources such as the internet. Own damn country acts like a mouth piece for certain and hides information to keep supporting and infinite war that has no end in sight. With so much problems in our country we want to try to fix someone elses country. It is no wonder why people hate us. We want to nation build in other countries but neglect our very own. We have bridges falling, schools need more funding, Americans losing jobs everyday, healthcare for all dont make me laugh with such an expensive wasteful foreign policy that money could be used elsewhere.
Posted 12/8/09
its ironic that he got Nobel Peace Prize for this war...
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This is probably the first decision I agree with Obama on. The war in Afghanistan must be a success and it was right to send more troops. America is not some evil empire trying to conquer the world. We have no plans to make Iraq of Afghanistan ours, but rather safe democratic countries that don't harbor terrorism. It seems as if we tend to forget what happened on 9/11. As an American with family in New York and my hometown being Washington D.C. I can say that it was very impacting, and it's even more important to destroy terrorism for everyone's sake.
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This is probably the first decision I agree with Obama on. The war in Afghanistan must be a success and it was right to send more troops. America is not some evil empire trying to conquer the world. We have no plans to make Iraq of Afghanistan ours, but rather safe democratic countries that don't harbor terrorism. It seems as if we tend to forget what happened on 9/11. As an American with family in New York and my hometown being Washington D.C. I can say that it was very impacting, and it's even more important to destroy terrorism for everyone's sake.

Actually, my reason to oppose Islamic terrorists is for a completely different cause all together; they look down on women by rejecting feminism. When feminism is more than about guys not physically hurting women or respecting their mothers, while just being a woman doesn't automatically makes her a feminist. Because being a feminist means speaking out for every women in their moments of triumphs and defeats, when feminism empowers individuals a voice from the woman's perspective. Just like how humanitarianism empowers individuals a voice from the humanity's perspective.
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digs wrote:

This is probably the first decision I agree with Obama on. The war in Afghanistan must be a success and it was right to send more troops. America is not some evil empire trying to conquer the world. We have no plans to make Iraq of Afghanistan ours, but rather safe democratic countries that don't harbor terrorism. It seems as if we tend to forget what happened on 9/11. As an American with family in New York and my hometown being Washington D.C. I can say that it was very impacting, and it's even more important to destroy terrorism for everyone's sake.

Actually, my reason to oppose Islamic terrorists is for a completely different cause all together; they look down on women by rejecting feminism. When feminism is more than about guys not physically hurting women or respecting their mothers, while just being a woman doesn't automatically makes her a feminist. Because being a feminist means speaking out for every women in their moments of triumphs and defeats, when feminism empowers individuals a voice from the woman's perspective. Just like how humanitarianism empowers individuals a voice from the humanity's perspective.


I scratch my head because I am trying hard to see where you get your information from? Who the hell here on this forum is attacking feminism? Who? And please provide the links, quotes to your evidence because right now your either putting false thoughts into others head with your lack of proof. Now you said earlier on a thread you have good journalism so please practice because your reporting false and inaccurate information. Are you just being ignorant because you see a few muslims who treat their women wrong now you think every muslim does? Why dont you go back to Ryu point where she pointed out how a lot of priest molest children now going by your ignorant logic do am I suppose to believe all Christians practice it? Man you need to seriously re read and think what your typing. I mean that whole paragraph you posted means nothing.

I challenge anyone here on CR where Dom just posted here about feminism where me or Ryu challenged it and said something was wrong with it? Please man dont be those ignorant people who think the minority speaks for majority and if you recall on my first sentence I said,
"I never had a problem with feminism I don't know where you came up with that assumption. In fact I like the fact that women in this country are free to express themselves." So why the hell are you trying to link my post to your statement about feminism? You are acting so damn idiotic about muslims seriously man. I guess you think me and Ryu is trying to Islamify CR and spread some kind of hateful radical agenda right?
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DomFortress wrote:


digs wrote:

This is probably the first decision I agree with Obama on. The war in Afghanistan must be a success and it was right to send more troops. America is not some evil empire trying to conquer the world. We have no plans to make Iraq of Afghanistan ours, but rather safe democratic countries that don't harbor terrorism. It seems as if we tend to forget what happened on 9/11. As an American with family in New York and my hometown being Washington D.C. I can say that it was very impacting, and it's even more important to destroy terrorism for everyone's sake.

Actually, my reason to oppose Islamic terrorists is for a completely different cause all together; they look down on women by rejecting feminism. When feminism is more than about guys not physically hurting women or respecting their mothers, while just being a woman doesn't automatically makes her a feminist. Because being a feminist means speaking out for every women in their moments of triumphs and defeats, when feminism empowers individuals a voice from the woman's perspective. Just like how humanitarianism empowers individuals a voice from the humanity's perspective.


I scratch my head because I am trying hard to see where you get your information from? Who the hell here on this forum is attacking feminism? Who? And please provide the links, quotes to your evidence because right now your either putting false thoughts into others head with your lack of proof. Now you said earlier on a thread you have good journalism so please practice because your reporting false and inaccurate information. Are you just being ignorant because you see a few muslims who treat their women wrong now you think every muslim does? Why dont you go back to Ryu point where she pointed out how a lot of priest molest children now going by your ignorant logic do am I suppose to believe all Christians practice it? Man you need to seriously re read and think what your typing. I mean that whole paragraph you posted means nothing.

I challenge anyone here on CR where Dom just posted here about feminism where me or Ryu challenged it and said something was wrong with it? Please man dont be those ignorant people who think the minority speaks for majority and if you recall on my first sentence I said,
"I never had a problem with feminism I don't know where you came up with that assumption. In fact I like the fact that women in this country are free to express themselves." So why the hell are you trying to link my post to your statement about feminism? You are acting so damn idiotic about muslims seriously man. I guess you think me and Ryu is trying to Islamify CR and spread some kind of hateful radical agenda right?


Damn. And I already cropped my penis, and prosciutto doesn't taste as good. So it was you all along, eh? And there's got to be something with Muslims and women since my Muslim friends always had the good looking ones. Tones of them.
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It is crazy because people dont think muslims are human beings but they think we are some kind of terror boogie man that the media created. Of course muslim men you talk to are going to be attracted to beautiful women hell I am. I know I am muslim but I am a man. Here in the USA some women walk around half naked and my manly nature attracts me to them. Man look at some of these leaders of religious places of worship some of them have many women. Some people live in a box so if they never met a muslim before then they will just believe the stereotype their television tells them to believe. Lucky for you and notice in a lot of your posts your not as ignorant as some on this forum maybe because you had a lot of interactions with different cultural groups and developed a better understanding.

I wish I could find me an attractive muslim woman in the USA who is smart but the problem is lol in the area I live in there aren't any. If I find one chances are she is already married. So I think in the long run I will end up with a Christian lol thats all I ever dated anyway. What people have to understand is different countries have different culture. I was talking to this African man and he was telling me how in his country the women there are obedient. They dont back talk to their men. I didnt agree with this and we had a large debate on it. But I had to respect his opinion because thats the way he was raised. Hopefully here in America he will change his view.
Posted 12/9/09 , edited 12/9/09

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DomFortress wrote:


digs wrote:

This is probably the first decision I agree with Obama on. The war in Afghanistan must be a success and it was right to send more troops. America is not some evil empire trying to conquer the world. We have no plans to make Iraq of Afghanistan ours, but rather safe democratic countries that don't harbor terrorism. It seems as if we tend to forget what happened on 9/11. As an American with family in New York and my hometown being Washington D.C. I can say that it was very impacting, and it's even more important to destroy terrorism for everyone's sake.

Actually, my reason to oppose Islamic terrorists is for a completely different cause all together; they look down on women by rejecting feminism. When feminism is more than about guys not physically hurting women or respecting their mothers, while just being a woman doesn't automatically makes her a feminist. Because being a feminist means speaking out for every women in their moments of triumphs and defeats, when feminism empowers individuals a voice from the woman's perspective. Just like how humanitarianism empowers individuals a voice from the humanity's perspective.


I scratch my head because I am trying hard to see where you get your information from? Who the hell here on this forum is attacking feminism? Who? And please provide the links, quotes to your evidence because right now your either putting false thoughts into others head with your lack of proof. Now you said earlier on a thread you have good journalism so please practice because your reporting false and inaccurate information. Are you just being ignorant because you see a few muslims who treat their women wrong now you think every muslim does? Why dont you go back to Ryu point where she pointed out how a lot of priest molest children now going by your ignorant logic do am I suppose to believe all Christians practice it? Man you need to seriously re read and think what your typing. I mean that whole paragraph you posted means nothing.

I challenge anyone here on CR where Dom just posted here about feminism where me or Ryu challenged it and said something was wrong with it? Please man dont be those ignorant people who think the minority speaks for majority and if you recall on my first sentence I said,
"I never had a problem with feminism I don't know where you came up with that assumption. In fact I like the fact that women in this country are free to express themselves." So why the hell are you trying to link my post to your statement about feminism? You are acting so damn idiotic about muslims seriously man. I guess you think me and Ryu is trying to Islamify CR and spread some kind of hateful radical agenda right?

I'll take your challenge by me calling out your bluff, your lie, and your BS prejudice of how you made my comment as well as my person to look bad, just so you can feel good about yourself. When I didn't use the word "attacking" anywhere in my original post, while you distorted my original post by you accusing me of "see a few muslims who treat their women wrong now you think every Muslim does". Because my original phrase was "my reason to oppose Islamic terrorists is for a completely different cause all together; they look down on women by rejecting feminism".

In fact, weren't you here who said that "In fact I like the fact that women in this country are free to express themselves. Hey I am a guy just like you are. I dont believe in beating them and I hold my mother to a higher standard then my dad. In fact if any man was to ever think to lay hands on my mom not only would I be there to beat his ass but my whole family". While it was Ryu here who said "How come I attacking feminist when I'm one of them?" When I only taunted the two of you here to "just make a complete fools out of yourselves, by start attacking feminism and who it empowers; both men and women in the Western society with better communication skills".

And finally, I don't think either one of you are preaching the Islamic faith, when the two of you are spreading radical extremism that's since facilidating terrorism via the internet before 2002.


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Damn. And I already cropped my penis, and prosciutto doesn't taste as good. So it was you all along, eh? And there's got to be something with Muslims and women since my Muslim friends always had the good looking ones. Tones of them.




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It is crazy because people dont think muslims are human beings but they think we are some kind of terror boogie man that the media created. Of course muslim men you talk to are going to be attracted to beautiful women hell I am. I know I am muslim but I am a man. Here in the USA some women walk around half naked and my manly nature attracts me to them. Man look at some of these leaders of religious places of worship some of them have many women. Some people live in a box so if they never met a muslim before then they will just believe the stereotype their television tells them to believe. Lucky for you and notice in a lot of your posts your not as ignorant as some on this forum maybe because you had a lot of interactions with different cultural groups and developed a better understanding.

I wish I could find me an attractive muslim woman in the USA who is smart but the problem is lol in the area I live in there aren't any. If I find one chances are she is already married. So I think in the long run I will end up with a Christian lol thats all I ever dated anyway. What people have to understand is different countries have different culture. I was talking to this African man and he was telling me how in his country the women there are obedient. They dont back talk to their men. I didnt agree with this and we had a large debate on it. But I had to respect his opinion because thats the way he was raised. Hopefully here in America he will change his view.

Because you're attracting the wrong type of women with your outdated "double standard" of masculinity not redefined by feminism.

If you honestly wanna date smart women, then set your own intellectual standard higher. By you constantly challenging yourself to really communicate with smart women. Not you arguing with men who look down on intellectually empowered women.
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Now this is really funny, but it was completely uncalled for. Is it forbidden to leave non - insulting comment from time to time here? And what I stated really is the truth, and it just crossed my mind when I read his post.

Now, unrelated to that, I have something else to say about Muslims in Europe. Their numbers are the same as 10 or 15 years ago, but what really change is people. We were talking about "what are Europeans so frightened of ?" I could not answer that question immediately, but then I remembered: they are frightened of losing their identity. Why now and not 10 or 15 years ago? answer is simple: EU is purging any trace of religion in EU, which escalated in its constitution. That is because religion, ritual, habit and subconsciousness is not something you can really measure. They thought (EU officials) that religion is not important to European identity, but it is. By forcing secularism everywhere, people feel lost. Christianity, Judaism, and even Islam in some parts was, for good or bad, part of European cultural identity for 2000 years. And now for 10 years politicians are saying"no, it is not".
And those same people, now see Muslims with their strong convictions and demands, who are still willing to fight for their faith and for what their believe in. And they feel threatened, because they, unlike Muslims lost their grounds. European today don't have strong convictions, they just want to live and let live. And they will feel threatened by anything that will hinder their slow decline.


Because you're attracting the wrong type of women with your outdated "double standard" of masculinity not redefined by feminism.


What one of my friends told me during coffee - "Here we are, we have our feminism, we earn more money then men, work harder and better then them, but in the end, we have no more real men - just bunch of pussies." - while she was whining about how there are no more real men, and how feminism cut off their balls. And she also said "now we have men wearing more make up then women. I don't want that kind of guy around me. If I want to talk about fashion and make up I want to do it with women, not men. I want a guy who knows how to change a tire and fix something in house, not the guy who is thinking: can I wear this socks with these boxer shorts. That is MY job".



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