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Post Reply Who do you blame for what happened at the end *SPOILERS*
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Posted 12/7/09
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Honestly, I think its all their faults.

True, Makoto did play a part in how things ended but he was not the primary problem, regardless of what many of the postees believe. True, he did cheat on Kotonoha with just about all of the female leads and half of the secondary cast, but they kept giving him the chance to do so along with the refusal to say no and stick with it.

Kotonoha was, besides insane from the events, unable to cope with the thought of being cheated on. That in addition
to her own personality defects lead to her inability become emotionally stronger. This became evident from when she became emotionally dead after having sex. Sekai did deserve what Kotonoha did, but at the same time she should have been able to recognize Makoto's cheating and stopped them then.

Sekai was also at fault for causing Makoto to cheat on Kotonoha. Anyone could have seen what was going to happen after she had kissed him at the train station. Once Makoto figured out that he had a choice (somehow faster than I would have in that situation), of course he would try and take control of what seemed like a good situation. She kept their relationship going even though she knew that Kotonoha loved him. When she told the class that she was pregnant (was never clear if she was or not), that was what caused Makoto to become desperate and go back to Kotonoha. When she was told to have an abortion (which I agree was too much) she killed Makoto. Leading to Kotonoha to finally go "over the edge".
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Posted 12/9/09
Hmm.. I'm agree with you... That a good post..
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Posted 2/14/10 , edited 6/2/10
[b/]you know what happens alot the person you would least expect to be a bitch ends up doing something tottally out there like in Absolute Boyfriend she smacked mica (ex bestfriend) and in this new manga im reading this sweet incconet girl ends up getting slap by a shy new girl i like the twists!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 4/9/10
well i thought this anime was creepy, the ending of school days was fucked up. i remember after i watched it, i was fucking shaking, i couldn't sleep and i had nightmares, i know its sounds gay but, if you watch the part were makoto dies and kotonoha just takes his head off his body and then kills the other girl, well thats some f#$@^% up up shit right there.
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Posted 5/18/10
Omgggggggggggg i though that this anime was cute at first....But now... i'm freekin shocked o.o
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Posted 6/2/10
I KNOW HUH!!!! That's what i thought i thought it was go lucky anime and at the time i didnt know what harem was LOLOLOLOLOL.
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Posted 6/2/10
You were shaking? Omgosh!! I was shaking too when i was watching it, it wa slike 2AM just watched deathnote very dark!! aunt watching scary movie in the other room besides me very loud and the floor was sahking from music so yeaa i see what u mean!!
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Posted 6/3/10
what episode is the disgusting part?
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Posted 6/23/10
Huh, I posted this topic almost eight months ago with the hope that more... intelligent people would post. You know who I'm talking about. The people who don't shout, "OMG, Makoto is the reason that everyone died cuz he liek broke Koto-chan's heart", without thinking about any other details. Well, sense I started topic, I have gotten two some-what serious posts, a decent question, one slightly useless comment, and three posts who's writer infuriates me with their incompetence. So, I will say this only once, Please only post serious responses . It occurs to me that most will ignore this request just to spite me, that is fine. But at least put some thought behind them.
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Posted 6/30/10
I believe first its Makoto's fault. He is a lusty teenager who is too weak minded and too lusty to get his feelings straight and treats girls like tools and discards them.

Second is Kotonoha: she kept on lying to herself and could not accept reality and move on.

Third is Sekai: Because she was the one who tempted Makoto and didn't show him right when he started to touch her.
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Posted 7/2/10
oh come on do you guys know what KOTONOHA Felt..... don't tell me no. its all sekai's fault because sekai is the one who talked to Matoko about practice or what ever...

ever since that day. makoto likes to do that to everyone now.. that he even forgot kotonoha's feelings.
kotonoha felt pain.. so do makoto...

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Posted 7/10/10
I blame Motoko and Kotonoha. But first, I watched the end at about 2 am, and it scared the living crap out of me. I kept checking my window for Kotonoha.

I think that Sekai should have lived, maybe just because I can really relate to her. We've all been stupid teenagers in love, and you can tell she made an honest effort to get Motoko to break up with Kotonoha. Sure, it was wrong to set them up, but she's a teenager, letting her heart win over her brain. She asked Motoko MULTIPLE times to break it off with Kotonoha, and he didn't, which is what eventually lead to the end.

Motoko deserved to die, mostly because he cheated with basically every character in the anime, but also because he's shown to be completly indecive and insensitive (You don't tell a girl that she ruined YOUR life by getting pregnant and telling everyone. Sheesh.)

Kotonoha shouldn't have been so stupid and kept lying to herself. You cannot kill someone to see if they're preggers. Plain and simple.
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Posted 7/15/10
It's true, they are all responsible in their own ways.

Simply, none of them could get a grip.

Makoto... I can sympathize, I can't say no to women either. But then again, it doesn't make him any less responsible. He took forever to actually break up with Kotonoha, he led her one, his well placed silences let the girls fill in the blanks, "Oh, he said nothing, he must deep down want to dance with me but before he could say anything Setsuna took him away..." and the like.
Once initiated, he was in full sway, sure he didn't start the relationships, but once the women made a move, he took advantage and initiated further sexual encounters.
He really led them on, by not refusing them, and actively afterwords.
But, he was disillusioned with love as well, and often that leads to such things.
The worst thing he did was not take the initive and break up with Kotonoha quickly, instead playing this "we broke up" to others and "we're still together" with her. Without that, it's pretty certain the cheating would've been over with. He also seemed less able to love after episode 5 or so, and the dance around the fire was his last expression of it.

Sekai? I'd say she might even be more responsible than Makoto, I know the right mood, a beautiful woman, aroma, it's like the male brain switches. Whereas her, not only did she instigate the relationship between him and Kotonoha, but as is later revealed at the end of the series, she was originally going to hook her best friend Setsuna up with Makoto. But in the end she too behaved selfishly, both by dropping Setsuna's chance, but also by directly leading him on throughout the series, that kiss, then the 'practice', then knowingly engaging in an affair... For his first experiences with love, it's no wonder polyamorous behavoir seemed acceptable. After all. And lying about being pregnant? That truly directly led to his death.
Without Sekai's act of selfish desire, Makoto would probably have just become frustrated by his stale relationship with Kotonoha and broke up on his own, and grown as a person.

Kotonoha is also extremely responsible, but in a different way, she really didn't do anything morally wrong. Until the end. Even though sleeping with Makoto's friend was cruel, since she knew quite well he crushed on her. She did the same thing the others did. But her biggest flaw wasn't even that she clung onto a dead relationship, though that was destructive too, but rather, it was her passive nature, she enabled, her inability to denounce his behavoir was the major factor in making the relationship drag on so long.
She really was responsible for hurting herself more than anyone. Though she also by her actions, introduced pressure in both Otome and Setsuna to act upon their desires more aggressively.

Setsuna, she really guided Makoto to Sekai, without her, it even seems possible that their affair would've ended, but since the girls all talked about things, just as Sekai pushed Makoto into a relationship with Kotonoha, Setsuna pushed him towards Sekai. She even created a situation of guilt complex. Saying she needed someone. Then she too encouraged further adultrous behavoir, practically condoning it.
Though, she was certainly the most sane one in that love polygon.

Otome, she, really was a major factor, both by pushing Kotonoha until she had become obsessed with proving that Makoto loved her. Also for making her mental.
But when she slept with Makoto, that was the catalyst for the whole chain of meaningless sex, she knew it was an affair, and obviously did not care on the outside, though, at the end it's revealed she most likely did want a serious relationship, and did not know that the sex would make him impersonal towards her just as she acted like it was.

But the ultimately responsible one? That damn girl who filmed the whole thing, that's when the psycho really set in, not only did she hurt everyone in that room, but ultimately, seeing Otome having sex with Makoto is probably what started driving Sekai off the deep end. Even if she had known, she would have thought along the lines that she herself engaged in an affair with Makoto. That insane jealousy was the seed that sprouted murder.

Makoto may have wound up an asshole in the end, but as manipulative as he was, and insensitive, and impersonal, it seems everyone is overlooking the fact that in all those ways, the women around him treated him like that. Sekai manipulated alot, and was more concerned with making his relationship with Kotonoha work at the beginning than actually listening to his feelings. The impersonal attitude about sex? Between the 4some girls and Otome, it's no wonder, if it's nothing to them, why should it mean anything to him?
Frankly, Setsuna manipulated him so much it seemed like he was her puppet sometimes.

He may have turned into a prick, but it really seemed that he was merely a weak man who became a product of his enviroment. After all, before he became involved with the girls, he was completely fine, heck, if episode 1 Makoto were a real person, I'd hang with him. So as responsible as he was for all the pain, how much was he mistreated as well I wonder?
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Posted 8/11/10
Yess perfect agreeeeeeeed with you 110% :)!!!!!
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Posted 8/15/10
Even though its all three of them I just mostly say it Sekai and Makoto fault besides Katsura never do anything wrong only those two and its their fault for what they did!
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