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should politics and religion be taught together in the church?
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Posted 12/9/09
ok ok ok, let me try and sophistocate this a bit...should politics and religion be taught together in the church/any other religious institution? You know, preachers preaching about politics? is it ok? or right?

Check this video out to set the mood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd4IbQ8vfHM

Do religion and politics mix? Though this guy's correalations are a little absurd, is it even ethical behavior for a church?

check this one out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk&feature=related

More absurb correalations, but does it have a place in church? These guys are already influencial enough, so should they be disscusing politics? Isnt the word of God enough to teach?

this next video has no relation to the two above, but the element of politics is still there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dD9v2cIMU

yea, these guys r a little radical and absurd- but thats free speech for you Perhaps thier image would be a lot better if they kept thier political beleifs and religious one's seperate?

So do religion and politics mix? or should people be able to choose thier own political beleifs based on thier own religious views or personal views? Sure enough they do it anyway-you name the issue, they back thier arguenments with some verse from the Bible. But should it be part of the church's curiculum or goal? what does God want for the nation? You wont find the answer in the Bible, or any other ancient religious text. Perhaps people should be left to decide thier political beliefs seperate from thier religious ones?

I know there isnt much difference in religion and politics, and im not saying religious people shouldn't express thier political views (reguardless of how radical it is-freedom of speech FTW!), But where does the preacher's commandments end and God's commandments begin? your thouhts

(for the record, im not picking on any religions/political beliefs, im not comparing radicals with other religious people, im not making any statements about religion or politics in general, im just curious) peace over war

Posted 12/10/09
I do not think that they should mix just like oil and water do not lol.
Posted 12/10/09
I don't know what the answer should be and I could care less, but if churches want to start "teaching" politics then they should start paying taxes like everyone else.
Posted 12/10/09

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I know there isnt much difference in religion and politics, and im not saying religious people shouldn't express thier political views (reguardless of how radical it is-freedom of speech FTW!), But where does the preacher's commandments end and God's commandments begin? your thouhts

(for the record, im not picking on any religions/political beliefs, im not comparing radicals with other religious people, im not making any statements about religion or politics in general, im just curious) peace over war


I think it should ends at individuals, period. Because when a radical religious figure's policy cannot benefit nor represent individuals who aren't religious to being with, then what he's preaching isn't politics nor religion but rather a form of prejudice.

While religion is a part of our freedom of expression, people often forget that the freedom of expression itself is to advocate and promote rational thinking from radical thoughts and ideologies. In other words, for individuals to uphold their freedom of speech in public, they must be able to prove their expressions and be rational. And not to abuse their freedom of speech by them unable to proof their expressions or being irrational. When I think rational thinking should be a continuous work-in-progress, and it shouldn't be opposed by irrational expressions of radical thoughts and ideologies.

In the end, the freedom of expression is a public platform for displaying individual ideas. And on this very platform, radical thoughts like this and this based on faction loyalty towards a religion, and ideologies like this and this based on political correctness towards a collective. Are all individual expressions that's opposing individual rational thinking in open public.
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The pulpit's responsibility is to teach the faith, whatever faith it may be. The lessons taught should be guidance for the people, who should be able to think & decide for themselves what political action or decision they want or need to take. Sadly, people get too lazy to do their own thinking & pulpits get too "drunk" w/ their own importance.
All the more reason, IMO, politics should not be preached from the pulpit ! It is a recipe for radical attitudes leading to radical & irrational actions, especially when the political powers that be are in direct conflict to that which has been preached to those too lazy to think for themselves or carefully discern for themselves just what it is they've been "told" to believe.
Religion which uses the ' faith ' to promote a political agenda is a most dangerous kind of subversion. Throughout history, across all kinds of faiths, this very partnership is a proven potential danger w/ disastrous results.
Leaders of any given faith should be teaching their followers w/ the objective of greater depth of personal faith & spirituality within the structure & support of that specific religion. That's a high calling w/ an equally high accountability factor.
Posted 12/10/09

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The pulpit's responsibility is to teach the faith, whatever faith it may be. The lessons taught should be guidance for the people, who should be able to think & decide for themselves what political action or decision they want or need to take. Sadly, people get too lazy to do their own thinking & pulpits get too "drunk" w/ their own importance.
All the more reason, IMO, politics should not be preached from the pulpit ! It is a recipe for radical attitudes leading to radical & irrational actions, especially when the political powers that be are in direct conflict to that which has been preached to those too lazy to think for themselves or carefully discern for themselves just what it is they've been "told" to believe.
Religion which uses the ' faith ' to promote a political agenda is a most dangerous kind of subversion. Throughout history, across all kinds of faiths, this very partnership is a proven potential danger w/ disastrous results.
Leaders of any given faith should be teaching their followers w/ the objective of greater depth of personal faith & spirituality within the structure & support of that specific religion. That's a high calling w/ an equally high accountability factor.


Well said.
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Nah it shouldn't mix but often times it does to advance some political agenda. Religion shouldnt be used for politics but as a way of life. No religion is political but people tend to try to use it in that way to get some guilty emotions running through people who are dedicated to their religion. Example try to say it is "God paved the way for Barrack Obama, he was chosen by God." Saying something like that would cause people to vote Obama and have some kind of guilty conscience if they vote differently. What people have to understand that there is only one God. These deciphers, although some are very good at translating religious material and relate it to our everyday lives, are not God. Therefore we shouldn't hold them up to that pedestal and follow everything that one person says.

It is just wrong because good heated people can be bamboozled and tricked to support malicious actions by the government. But these malicious actions are praised in a good way in religious places of worship, which in reality is contradicting everything the religion teaches. My two cents? Well I dont believe this behavior will ever stop. I believe many governments don't have a problem with it especially warlike/oppressive governments because they know a religious person should be peaceful and should be antiwar, anti oppressive, anti hate, and most likely willing to talk through conflicts rather then shooting first and asking questions later. But hey it is easier on the government if there isn't to much opposition.

All in all it boils down to the individual and how far he is willing to follow their religious teacher. But like I said there is only one God so dont hold that person up to the same level. If you have a conflict with the teaching approach him or you re read the scripture yourself and find out what God has to say about the right way to handle the situation.
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Posted 12/10/09 , edited 12/10/09

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I don't know what the answer should be and I could care less, but if churches want to start "teaching" politics then they should start paying taxes like everyone else.


QFT your damn right about that.
Posted 12/10/09


don't forget about the nice people that are praying for obama to be killed as well >.>
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Posted 12/10/09 , edited 12/10/09

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don't forget about the nice people that are praying for obama to be killed as well >.>


Lol praying for someone to get killed? Well thats not nice at all. Those people have a twisted view of their religion and it comes to show people can just be religion in name, but a true demon at heart. But then again if your at war with a country and that foreign country is oppressing you, killing your peoplem, would you want their leader to be killed? Praying for Hitler to be killed during WW2 was that lawful? I believe praying for God to help them with their situation would be the better term for those living in such horrible conditions due to their leaders or foreign leaders. Who knows, this world is just very complicated to boil everything down which is right from wrong.
Posted 12/11/09

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



don't forget about the nice people that are praying for obama to be killed as well >.>


Lol praying for someone to get killed? Well thats not nice at all. Those people have a twisted view of their religion and it comes to show people can just be religion in name, but a true demon at heart. But then again if your at war with a country and that foreign country is oppressing you, killing your peoplem, would you want their leader to be killed? Praying for Hitler to be killed during WW2 was that lawful? I believe praying for God to help them with their situation would be the better term for those living in such horrible conditions due to their leaders or foreign leaders. Who knows, this world is just very complicated to boil everything down which is right from wrong.

That's only because you're not trying hard enough, when you just think that praying to God can solve problems.
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Posted 12/11/09

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drizza wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



don't forget about the nice people that are praying for obama to be killed as well >.>


Lol praying for someone to get killed? Well thats not nice at all. Those people have a twisted view of their religion and it comes to show people can just be religion in name, but a true demon at heart. But then again if your at war with a country and that foreign country is oppressing you, killing your peoplem, would you want their leader to be killed? Praying for Hitler to be killed during WW2 was that lawful? I believe praying for God to help them with their situation would be the better term for those living in such horrible conditions due to their leaders or foreign leaders. Who knows, this world is just very complicated to boil everything down which is right from wrong.

That's only because you're not trying hard enough, when you just think that praying to God can solve problems.


So out of my whole post all you got out of it was me saying only praying to God can solve all problems? I am starting to see a pattern here you like to cherry pick one small thing when I post something and flip it into something entirely different why do you do that?
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No, I don't think that politics should be preached from the pulpit per se. The church's "job" is to instill certain moral and ethical views into a person's mind quite simply because it is what their religious book teaches and will lead to actions that please God.

Having said that, a person who has been taught these generally conservative morals and ethics should be able to make political decisions that line up with those standards. It is over-reaching for a pastor, bishop, priest, etc. to promote his personal political choice from the pulpit. Politics is not in his job description as described in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

In the words of Jesus, "Render (give) unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."
Posted 4/17/10
I think that if a pastor reminds the congregation to go out and vote, that's not a bad thing. I mean, if the local baker did that, I wouldn't mind either. And it's not a bad thing if a politician prays or mentions his beliefs. But a pastor indoctrinating a congregation about a particular political agenda...well, it's not the place or time. Besides the Bible tells us to respect those who are in authority, to pay taxes and to speak up if politicians are going against God's will (e.g. Emperor Nero in the Roman era lighting people on fire, etc.)
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How about teaching politics in church without religion?
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