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Gay Rights Movement being compared to the Black Civil Rights Movement?
Posted 12/16/09

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lol I knew people were stupid, but this is ridiculous. The power of man's stupidity amazes me more & more :3

I personally view that particular brand of blanket statement to be very unbecoming, like a bad habit gone wrong because it's not true.

While there are biological and social deformations like Autism and Asperger, stupidity caused by ignorance and intolerance is further being distorted by unrealistic blanket statements. And there's nothing amazing about individuals making excuses for stupidity.

That is of course, you were being sarcastic with your comment.
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Posted 12/17/09

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Gaia93 wrote:
So what do you all think? Can the Black Civil Rights Movement be compared to the Gay Rights Movement?

Throughout the history of human conflicts, we must understand that it all boils down to ideological differences, not biological ones. The roots of this comparative is thereby not about the civil movement of equal rights for "black" or "gay", but a continuous process of can so-on-so individuals be civilized. Regardless of stereotypes and prejudices toward racial ethnicity and sexual preferences created by ignorance and intolerance.

Therefore, just like the Black Civil Rights Movement is all about removing the racist stereotypes and prejudices toward that particular ethnicity. The Gay Civil Rights Movement is all about removing the sexist stereotypes and prejudices toward that particular preference. And in that sense, I say they are not just comparable, but it's actually the same civil rights movement. Only this time it's for the homosexual individuals.


I have to admit I agree with DomFortress on this topic..

There really nothing more I can add. That has not been said so far.
Posted 12/17/09 , edited 12/17/09

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I personally view that particular brand of blanket statement to be very unbecoming, like a bad habit gone wrong because it's not true.

While there are biological and social deformations like Autism and Asperger, stupidity caused by ignorance and intolerance is further being distorted by unrealistic blanket statements. And there's nothing amazing about individuals making excuses for stupidity.

That is of course, you were being sarcastic with your comment.


i have no idea what you're talking about really did you go off topic?
Posted 12/17/09

mystic17 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


I personally view that particular brand of blanket statement to be very unbecoming, like a bad habit gone wrong because it's not true.

While there are biological and social deformations like Autism and Asperger, stupidity caused by ignorance and intolerance is further being distorted by unrealistic blanket statements. And there's nothing amazing about individuals making excuses for stupidity.

That is of course, you were being sarcastic with your comment.


i have no idea what you're talking about really did you go off topic?

Allow me to reassign your previous statement in accordance to the original topic, which was Gaia93's question of "Can the Black Civil Rights Movement be compared to the Gay Rights Movement?". Your reply to the topic was as follow, that "I knew people were stupid, but this is ridiculous. The power of man's stupidity amazes me more & more".

Your "I knew people were stupid" was the blanket statement which I was referring. And while I stated that Autism and Asperger are two well known learning disabilities caused by biological and social deformations, I further stated that stupidity is caused by people's ignorance and intolerance. And unless you and I and everyone else were born with learning disabilities, then your blanket statement of "I knew people were stupid" was just an excuse. For it has not truth and thereby hardly intelligent to even count as a debate. Unless of course the statement was meant to be a sarcasm, due to the fact that it was such an oxymoron to begin with. Because you and I should know that unless we were all born with learning disabilities, none of us are stupid for life.
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Posted 12/30/09
Blacl Civil Rights Movement is something that should be fought for but gay rights is something that is just immoral and is obviously someting that our founding fathers didn't had in mind for this country.
Posted 12/30/09

ngomez09lfc wrote:

Blacl Civil Rights Movement is something that should be fought for but gay rights is something that is just immoral and is obviously someting that our founding fathers didn't had in mind for this country.

OBJECTION!

How can you declare animal homosexuality in nature as something immoral and unlawful? Or are you just being ignorant and intolerant about the fact that humans are social animals, while homosexuals do have equal dignity and freedom, as long as they are still humans.

BTW, no need of you flashing the "gay card" at me. For I am a fabulously "gay" heterosexual man, when I think being gay is for us to celebrate who we truly are.
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Posted 12/30/09 , edited 12/30/09

ngomez09lfc wrote:

Blacl Civil Rights Movement is something that should be fought for but gay rights is something that is just immoral and is obviously someting that our founding fathers didn't had in mind for this country.



I have a question for you little fellow. How is being gay immoral?

On another note.... Are founding fathers had in there minds was freedom of and from all religions, religion it self had no place in are government for that will only corrupt it. Wow are for fathers might of been barbaric monsters who did a lot of bad things, but that was really smart of them.
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Posted 12/30/09
gay rights movement and black civil rights can not be compared, not by a long shot, if u think it can be compared, your just . . .(insert petty insult)
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They both have the same basis, but I don't think the Gay Rights movement can be compared to something like the Black Civil Rights Movement. They have the same basis though. Either way, people shouldn't judge others based on their sexual orientation. Who cares if someone is gay, bi, or lesbian? They're a human being, just like every one of us. People who can't accept that are just stubborn. I hope that one day... people will be able to accept people for WHO THEY ARE.
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NOTE: the women's lib, the black, and the gay rights movement all initiated almost at the same time.

I don't think it's being equated, it's just a new perpetuation. However, with the similarities in arguments from the opposition, the gay civil rights movement have the same problems faced from the past experiences of American diversity.
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Gay "rights" and civil rights are not the same thing. You are born into a race, homosexuality is a choice. People aren't against homosexual marriage because they believe gays are racially inferior, people are against it because homosexuality is immoral and destructive to the image of the family and marriage. The gay "rights" movement wants to parade around as these poor discriminated people, when in reality homosexuals are on average more wealthy and have special protection under certain laws. Just because someone doesn't support the homosexual agenda and believes it's immoral/sinful doesn't imply or mean that they are a homophobe or discriminate against gay people. The same principal would apply to people who oppose the drug agenda. They don't hate the potheads (or other druggies), but they hate the pot (and other drugs) and don't want it legalized.

The gay "rights" movement and the civil rights movement also campaign(ed) for different things.
Civil Rights: Equal human rights for everyone of every race and nationality.
Gay "Rights": Homosexual unions should be treated equally as heterosexual unions and homosexual acts should be accepted.

One deals with rights based on human race, the other deals with immorality based on sexual perversion. Homosexual unions are not equal with heterosexual (altho the PEOPLE who are homosexuals are equal with heterosexuals).
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Posted 1/5/10 , edited 1/5/10

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Gay "rights" and civil rights are not the same thing. You are born into a race, homosexuality is a choice. People aren't against homosexual marriage because they believe gays are racially inferior, people are against it because homosexuality is immoral and destructive to the image of the family and marriage. The gay "rights" movement wants to parade around as these poor discriminated people, when in reality homosexuals are on average more wealthy and have special protection under certain laws. Just because someone doesn't support the homosexual agenda and believes it's immoral/sinful doesn't imply or mean that they are a homophobe or discriminate against gay people. The same principal would apply to people who oppose the drug agenda. They don't hate the potheads (or other druggies), but they hate the pot (and other drugs) and don't want it legalized.

The gay "rights" movement and the civil rights movement also campaign(ed) for different things.
Civil Rights: Equal human rights for everyone of every race and nationality.
Gay "Rights": Homosexual unions should be treated equally as heterosexual unions and homosexual acts should be accepted.

One deals with rights based on human race, the other deals with immorality based on sexual perversion. Homosexual unions are not equal with heterosexual (altho the PEOPLE who are homosexuals are equal with heterosexuals).


DIGs!
1, Society dictates what is moral or not.
2, Being gay is something you do not have any power over, the same as you skin color, so in this there the same.
3. Where is the evidence for what you said about gays being more wealthy and have special protection under the law? Last time I looked they had no such thing.
4. Pot is Illegal do to prejudice against it, do to miss representation of it from authority figures, who them selves had discrimination agents it by implying illogical correlation with crime and pot without evidence, do to this over time the prejudices and discrimination against it has gotten to the point that even the evidence showing that it is not the case will not aid in its legalization.

There is more but I really need to walk my stupid dog!
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Posted 1/5/10 , edited 1/5/10

digs wrote:

Gay "rights" and civil rights are not the same thing. You are born into a race, homosexuality is a choice. People aren't against homosexual marriage because they believe gays are racially inferior, people are against it because homosexuality is immoral and destructive to the image of the family and marriage. The gay "rights" movement wants to parade around as these poor discriminated people, when in reality homosexuals are on average more wealthy and have special protection under certain laws. Just because someone doesn't support the homosexual agenda and believes it's immoral/sinful doesn't imply or mean that they are a homophobe or discriminate against gay people. The same principal would apply to people who oppose the drug agenda. They don't hate the potheads (or other druggies), but they hate the pot (and other drugs) and don't want it legalized.

The gay "rights" movement and the civil rights movement also campaign(ed) for different things.
Civil Rights: Equal human rights for everyone of every race and nationality.
Gay "Rights": Homosexual unions should be treated equally as heterosexual unions and homosexual acts should be accepted.

One deals with rights based on human race, the other deals with immorality based on sexual perversion. Homosexual unions are not equal with heterosexual (altho the PEOPLE who are homosexuals are equal with heterosexuals).


Let's imagine that the millions of homosexuals in the world along with all the doctors, professors and scientists at the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers are all not lying when they say homosexuality is not a choice and sexual orientation cannot be changed.

If they were all actually telling the truth and not just part of some sort of giant global conspiracy, then that means sexual orientation is something people have no control over, like race. So if someone is a homosexual they can't change it the same way a black person can't change their race. I'm not saying this is true, but if it were true, wouldn't that make gay rights a civil rights issue then?
Posted 1/5/10 , edited 1/5/10

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digs wrote:

Gay "rights" and civil rights are not the same thing. You are born into a race, homosexuality is a choice. People aren't against homosexual marriage because they believe gays are racially inferior, people are against it because homosexuality is immoral and destructive to the image of the family and marriage. The gay "rights" movement wants to parade around as these poor discriminated people, when in reality homosexuals are on average more wealthy and have special protection under certain laws. Just because someone doesn't support the homosexual agenda and believes it's immoral/sinful doesn't imply or mean that they are a homophobe or discriminate against gay people. The same principal would apply to people who oppose the drug agenda. They don't hate the potheads (or other druggies), but they hate the pot (and other drugs) and don't want it legalized.

The gay "rights" movement and the civil rights movement also campaign(ed) for different things.
Civil Rights: Equal human rights for everyone of every race and nationality.
Gay "Rights": Homosexual unions should be treated equally as heterosexual unions and homosexual acts should be accepted.

One deals with rights based on human race, the other deals with immorality based on sexual perversion. Homosexual unions are not equal with heterosexual (altho the PEOPLE who are homosexuals are equal with heterosexuals).


DIGs!
1, Society dictates what is moral or not.
2, Being gay is something you do not have any power over, the same as you skin color, so in this there the same.
3. Where is the evidence for what you said about gays being more wealthy and have special protection under the law? Last time I looked they had no such thing.
4. Pot is Illegal do to prejudice against it, do to miss representation of it from authority figures, who them selves had discrimination agents it by implying illogical correlation with crime and pot without evidence, do to this over time the prejudices and discrimination against it has gotten to the point that even the evidence showing that it is not the case will not aid in its legalization.

There is more but I really need to walk my stupid dog!



Being gay is something you do not have any power over.

This is something I do not agree with.

I know plenty of homosexuals do to the fact that my aunt is a lesbian. About 5 out of 8 of them went back to being heterosexual, while the others are still dating men, women, or both. By those five people changing sexuality I can assume that they do have control over what they choose to be, while skin color is something that you are born with.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


digs wrote:

Gay "rights" and civil rights are not the same thing. You are born into a race, homosexuality is a choice. People aren't against homosexual marriage because they believe gays are racially inferior, people are against it because homosexuality is immoral and destructive to the image of the family and marriage. The gay "rights" movement wants to parade around as these poor discriminated people, when in reality homosexuals are on average more wealthy and have special protection under certain laws. Just because someone doesn't support the homosexual agenda and believes it's immoral/sinful doesn't imply or mean that they are a homophobe or discriminate against gay people. The same principal would apply to people who oppose the drug agenda. They don't hate the potheads (or other druggies), but they hate the pot (and other drugs) and don't want it legalized.

The gay "rights" movement and the civil rights movement also campaign(ed) for different things.
Civil Rights: Equal human rights for everyone of every race and nationality.
Gay "Rights": Homosexual unions should be treated equally as heterosexual unions and homosexual acts should be accepted.

One deals with rights based on human race, the other deals with immorality based on sexual perversion. Homosexual unions are not equal with heterosexual (altho the PEOPLE who are homosexuals are equal with heterosexuals).


DIGs!
1, Society dictates what is moral or not.
2, Being gay is something you do not have any power over, the same as you skin color, so in this there the same.
3. Where is the evidence for what you said about gays being more wealthy and have special protection under the law? Last time I looked they had no such thing.
4. Pot is Illegal do to prejudice against it, do to miss representation of it from authority figures, who them selves had discrimination agents it by implying illogical correlation with crime and pot without evidence, do to this over time the prejudices and discrimination against it has gotten to the point that even the evidence showing that it is not the case will not aid in its legalization.

There is more but I really need to walk my stupid dog!



Being gay is something you do not have any power over.

This is something I do not agree with.

I know plenty of homosexuals do to the fact that my aunt is a lesbian. About 5 out of 8 of them went back to being heterosexual, while the others are still dating men, women, or both. By those five people changing sexuality I can assume that they do have control over what they choose to be, while skin color is something that you are born with.


As he said...

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Let's imagine that the millions of homosexuals in the world along with all the doctors, professors and scientists at the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers are all not lying when they say homosexuality is not a choice and sexual orientation cannot be changed.

If they were all actually telling the truth and not just part of some sort of giant global conspiracy, then that means sexual orientation is something people have no control over, like race. So if someone is a homosexual they can't change it the same way a black person can't change their race. I'm not saying this is true, but if it were true, wouldn't that make gay rights a civil rights issue then?




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