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Do you think Enel would've been one of the admirals or yonkou if he came down to grandline?
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Posted 12/23/09
The only reason luffy defeated Enel is because of his advantage.
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Posted 12/23/09 , edited 12/23/09
But he still defeated him. Luffy can't even touch any of the Admirals as of now. Enel doesn't seem to know about or how to use haki either. I wouldn't mind if Enel randomly fell from the sky though. He's a great character. ;D

Honestly, It's hard for me to say if he's even better than Smoker.
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Posted 12/23/09
I think Enel would be stronger than Smoker, since he can just his mantra to predict his next move.
However, I doubt he can be one of the admirals though...
But we can never be sure... since he never fought any of them lol.
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Posted 12/24/09
But you got to take haki and seastone weapons into effect, enel would probally get smashed.
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Posted 12/24/09
I think i remember reading a article about oda telling his bounty will be around like 600,000.000 b if he was pirate. I think Enel's mantra is some sort of haki. I don't see Aokiji, Akainu or Kizaru beating Enel and vice versa. Unless they have some other power beside their devil fruit ability.
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Posted 12/24/09
I wonder if his situation is kinda like matra OR haki, you can have one but not both. BUt I don't think Enel would be an Admiral. I think he would be a Shichibukai, if anything. He still has pirate like ambitions.
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Posted 12/24/09
All you would need to be enel is a seastone weapon and the patience to get a hold of him. ohh and to be rubber or any of the made of your element fruit powers.
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Posted 12/24/09
Mantra is just being able to sense from distances and predict your opponents moves. That's still not enough to defeat an admiral.
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Posted 12/24/09
Indeed.
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Posted 12/24/09
Recent chapters proved that admirals don't have haki. (Atleast aokiji don't) He was shocked by luffy's haki. This goes to show, they rely solely on their devil fruit ability. Enel was very unfortunate to encounter luffy because luffy was made off of rubber and he is genius when it comes to combat because he can adapt quickly. Admirals got nothing on Enel and vice versa. The reason luffy couldn't defeat admirals was because he's naturally at disadvantage against Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru. But Enel isn't, enel can just turn into lightning when aokiji tries to freeze him, when kizaru shoots beam at him or when Akainu throws lava punches. But I don't see Enel doing any damage to them either. so in my opinion and because of these reasons i think he's in Admiral's caliber.
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Posted 12/24/09 , edited 12/24/09
That really doesn't mean anything. Just because you know haki doesn't mean you can't be affected by it. You're severely overestimating Enel and underestimating the Admirals. These guys are the best of the best. You can't think that these guys became Admirals by just solely relying on their DF ability? You can only get so far doing that.

I remember Luffy telling Enel something to the effect that there are hundreds of guys on the ocean that would easily defeat him. He's right!
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Posted 12/25/09
I'm not overestimating him, i'm giving credit where it's due. Can you explain to me how Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru will defeat Enel? Even if they somehow manage to kill him, he can just charge his heart when it stops. Enel's devil fruit ability is on admirals league. He single handedly k.o'd straw hat crew except luffy because he was at severe disadvantage because luffy is made out of rubber and his style of fighting is freestyle improvising so Enel's mantra is useless.
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Enel is definatelty at admiral level. He has a lugia ability just like the other admirals n future more he is the only one that we know of that has some sort of extra ability. (mantra)
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Posted 12/25/09
The fact that Luffy defeated him is enough for me. I don't care about the advantage he had either. If he was really as strong as an Admiral, he'd overcome that.

Haki is the key here. Against a user of Haki, Logia's aren't so invincible, and unless Enel someone magically learned it, he can't defeat an Admiral with his DF alone.
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Posted 12/25/09

fatebreaker wrote:

The fact that Luffy defeated him is enough for me. I don't care about the advantage he had either. If he was really as strong as an Admiral, he'd overcome that.

Haki is the key here. Against a user of Haki, Logia's aren't so invincible, and unless Enel someone magically learned it, he can't defeat an Admiral with his DF alone.


Aokiji is an admiral and even he seemed surprised by luffy's haki, and he said it was a magic (that must mean he doesn't have haki). Marco is roughly around Admiral's level and he was facing kizaru head on and Kizaru seemed intimidated and i'm pretty sure the battle would've ended in a stalemate if Marco was not distracted and was placed sea stone on him.
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