First  Prev  1  2  3  4  Next  Last
Humanity Being Animal-like
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09
I know it's one thing for us to say that we humans are social animals because that's a fact. But I'll bet that not a lot of us out there would ever consider that humanity, one of the legacy that our history of civilization had to offer, could be pinning us right back to our animal selves. While any and all animosities toward humanitarianism based on humanity can therefore be not just inhumane, but also unnatural and thereby unfavorable via natural selection.

And I know it sounds crazy, because I admit that due to the general understanding of humanity based on human nature, we humans had done a lot of wrong things, all in the name of our humanity. But that's to say a lot of us don't even understand just exactly what is our human nature; the foundation which constitutes and justifies all universal human rights and freedoms. Like how the freedom of universal suffrage is our civil right in a democratic society.

But wait, could I be suggesting that regardless of our history of civilization, I think animals are behaving with more civility than us humans? When human society is generally thought to be more complex than animal society, or so we valued our civilization as we seemed.

Well in that case, how the heck should we explain that with the exception of our human society, there's no practice of slavery among any known animal society? That in fact humanitarian movement is against the practice of slavery, by us respecting every individuals' dignity and freedom as an universal practice.

And let's not forget that slavery was also one of the legacy that our history of civilization had to offer. While ironically the universal symbol of dignity and freedom is an animal known as the eagle, not human. Which BTW personally, I still think some of us are making poor slaves and even lazier slave masters.

As a matter of fact, I think collectivism culture can ultimately be a culture of slave morality. When society under the influence of collectivist culture will overrule strong individualists' rights and freedom for what's "valued' by the weak collectivists to be the greater goods of material wealth and social status. And for the opposite of the weak collectivists, which are strong individualists under the influences of individualism culture. They must therefore value the wellness lifestyle choices of dignity and freedom with master morality above all else.
Posted 12/26/09
I don't think there's such things as universal human rights or freedoms. Everything that has ever been considered a "right" or a "freedom" is really just a temporary condition that can be revoked at any time. We're all about control. Human beings live to control.

"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what it is you want to hear." -Alan Coren

Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09

jandarujora wrote:

I don't think there's such things as universal human rights or freedoms. Everything that has ever been considered a "right" or a "freedom" is really just a temporary condition that can be revoked at any time. We're all about control. Human beings live to control.

"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what it is you want to hear." -Alan Coren


Then how would you explain those who surrendered their control to their dictators via democracy? When I say true mastery of control had always been directions and flows, not lies and deceptions. While only fools will empower lies and deceptions with their beliefs, when they lack strong individuality to dignify their own freedoms.

Don't forget, both yourself and Alan Coren were exercising your respective freedom of expression, which is how I was able to quote you with mine freedom of expression.

Or do you still value that everyone on CR is stupid except yourself? When you can't even make so much of an impression on me with your morality.
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09
Certain things we consider "freedoms" because we labeled them to be so. We made it all up and someone else could tell me I have no such freedom or right to do these things I am doing. Hence why they are actually temporary. It's really just one endless debate of back and forth. The key word here is universal, which is not the case because different people will have varying degrees of usage and control of these privileges over others.

Seeing how you're better versed with all this stuff than me, it's likely people will agree with you anyway. I could care less if I make any impression on you. All I care about is saying whatever I want to say while entertaining myself.
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09

jandarujora wrote:

Certain things we consider "freedoms" because we labeled them to be so. We made it all up and someone else could tell me I have no such freedom or right to do these things I am doing. Hence why they are actually temporary. It's really just one endless debate of back and forth. The key word here is universal, which is not the case because different people will have varying degrees of usage and control of these privileges over others.

Says who, Alan Coren? Don't forget that he only managed to justify the reasoning of fools in a democratic society with his freedom of expression. When individually I will criticize a dictator regardless of who I voted for, only for me to be taken down by authority figures supported not by democracy, but by political correctness from the Western society and faction loyalty from the Easter society.

Or are you simply dictating the word "universal" with you overgeneralizing the state human rights and freedom being universal? Which BTW you still don't impress me much with your lack of discipline, because now you're dealing with a completely different kind of monster.


jandarujora wrote:
Seeing how you're better versed with all this stuff than me, it's likely people will agree with you anyway. I could care less if I make any impression on you. All I care about is saying whatever I want to say while entertaining myself.

It's the extend of your "entertainment" has so little intellectual values, that's not even entertaining my intellect. When it's in fact boring me to submission.
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09
The bottom line is that a democratic society (whatever definition somebody follows) cannot be synonymous with the term universal simply because freedoms and rights vary with usage and are dealt with differently depending where you are. A few states officially coin the term Democratic as their nation's moniker but I really doubt they'd coincide with what you believe is "democratic" by practice. This is why freedoms and rights, depending where you are, are you really just privileges in disguise that could be taken away at any time by force. And no, Alan Coren did not tell me this.

And is this really something to stress over? If it were up to me, I'd like to lean towards unlimited rights because the argument on what our freedoms are is a neverending story. No one will agree that is, if there's at least one person willing to agree with me. Anyone?
575 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M / philippines
Offline
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09
WHAT GREED DONE TO HUMAN MAKES HUMANITY LESS THAN AN ANIMAL
WE BECAME MONSTERS TO NATUREAND NATURE STRIVES TO KEEP US ALIVE
18663 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
36 / M / Small Wooded town...
Offline
Posted 12/26/09
'Humans act like most if not all other animals. We have the same needs that we all strive for. From the noble wolf, to the Army Ant.'

On top of that list is survival. We like all animals strive to survive. Like most pack and herd animals we do this by creating are own families and communities, with are own rules that we fallow. If you look at the ants, you find there is some form of a government ,something of a Communism with a Queen at the top. It is also true ants use other insects much like we do with a cow. (or a slave)

Greed? All animals have that. Compassion and Greed are both natural instincts. 'WE like all other animals fight over land, fight each other for love, Fight over food and other natural resources. You find all animals do this.. "Loners and herders."

You can not suppurate us from the animal for better or worse because deep down are brains work the same way. We do what we do for the same resins they do what they do.
Posted 12/26/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Humans act like most if not all other animals. We have the same needs that we all strive for. From the noble wolf, to the Army Ant.'

On top of that list is survival. We like all animals strive to survive. Like most pack and herd animals we do this by creating are own families and communities, with are own rules that we fallow. If you look at the ants, you find there is some form of a government ,something of a Communism with a Queen at the top. It is also true ants use other insects much like we do with a cow. (or a slave)

Greed? All animals have that. Compassion and Greed are both natural instincts. 'WE like all other animals fight over land, fight each other for love, Fight over food and other natural resources. You find all animals do this.. "Loners and herders."

You can not suppurate us from the animal for better or worse because deep down are brains work the same way. We do what we do for the same resins they do what they do.


i have to agree if the world feel into anarchy to where people would not be punished for their crimes do you not think that people would not rape, kill, molest children, eat human flesh with out any remorse? mostly likely not to be honest
Posted 12/26/09

jandarujora wrote:

The bottom line is that a democratic society (whatever definition somebody follows) cannot be synonymous with the term universal simply because freedoms and rights vary with usage and are dealt with differently depending where you are. A few states officially coin the term Democratic as their nation's moniker but I really doubt they'd coincide with what you believe is "democratic" by practice. This is why freedoms and rights, depending where you are, are you really just privileges in disguise that could be taken away at any time by force. And no, Alan Coren did not tell me this.

And is this really something to stress over? If it were up to me, I'd like to lean towards unlimited rights because the argument on what our freedoms are is a neverending story. No one will agree that is, if there's at least one person willing to agree with me. Anyone? :P

If that's the case, just what system of democracy you're referring to? When there are more than one democratic system to choose from, while my reference of democracy is obviously not the same as yours.

And why should anyone join under your morality of "unlimited rights"? When you don't value everyone to be the intellectual equal than you are. While you don't even practice your own morality as a set of moral stance, because you have no idea how to justify your need of unlimited rights. Without yourself becoming a dictator by you resorting to tyranny.


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'Humans act like most if not all other animals. We have the same needs that we all strive for. From the noble wolf, to the Army Ant.'

On top of that list is survival. We like all animals strive to survive. Like most pack and herd animals we do this by creating are own families and communities, with are own rules that we fallow. If you look at the ants, you find there is some form of a government ,something of a Communism with a Queen at the top. It is also true ants use other insects much like we do with a cow. (or a slave)

Greed? All animals have that. Compassion and Greed are both natural instincts. 'WE like all other animals fight over land, fight each other for love, Fight over food and other natural resources. You find all animals do this.. "Loners and herders."

You can not suppurate us from the animal for better or worse because deep down are brains work the same way. We do what we do for the same resins they do what they do.

So why is it that only human society had a history of slavery? When the practice of humans enslaving other humans isn't born from the need for human compassion, greed, nor survival. While only those of us who crave unlimited rights need to justify their greed by them enslaving others like them.

With the exception of the parasitic polyergus breviceps, not all ants enslave other ants, when their society is the practice of interdependency. While at the same time ants don't have the same brain structure and body function like us human's, because we all have the ability of independent thinking as well as reproductive function. However some human society 'til this day still practice certain forms of slavery.

And remember, the parasitic slave raiding ants are doomed from the beginning by natural selection. Because they can't mate nor enslave a queen to give birth of more parasites. While they don't practice the function of them taking care of themselves, aka self-sustainability. In other words, their practice of slave raiding is a sign of the fact that they can no longer survive on their own.


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
i have to agree if the world feel into anarchy to where people would not be punished for their crimes do you not think that people would not rape, kill, molest children, eat human flesh with out any remorse? mostly likely not to be honest

That's why I think democracy is still a practice of human society under interdependency, as long as we humans still retaining our ability as social animals. However I don't think that's the case of the next generations of Japanese society, when they're gradually loosing their family values due to a lack of real human interactions.
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09
Well..even among the animal kingdom a form of slavery, or servant-like cooperation is present, e.g. ants, bees, wasps; but thinking about it I can't name any mammalia that would have a similar social constitution as the aforementioned insects.

Anyway, I am not really sure what you want to talk about, and I'd be glad if you could elaborate on your train of thought. First you speak of rights, and freedoms, then you speak of animal symbolism, slavery, etc. Could it be that you mean to imply that the humanity we know as such is actually our animal side, while the cruelties we've been committing throughout history are the human side? Help me there.
Posted 12/26/09 , edited 12/26/09


Hell I am an Otaku and I play those games but I know that it's fiction and not real... when you lose touch with reality that badly that is just sad, that is just well damn i am at a loss for words...... all i can say is wtf, i prefer female interaction when I go out to shop or hang out at a book store to talk about manga etc but yeah...... that guy needs help badly "plus who say's his wife will not cheat since it's a game after all lol" on the plus side at least he will not be adding to gene pool and making it any worse that it already is.
Posted 12/26/09

ShroomInferno wrote:

Well..even among the animal kingdom a form of slavery, or servant-like cooperation is present, e.g. ants, bees, wasps; but thinking about it I can't name any mammalia that would have a similar social constitution as the aforementioned insects.

Anyway, I am not really sure what you want to talk about, and I'd be glad if you could elaborate on your train of thought. First you speak of rights, and freedoms, then you speak of animal symbolism, slavery, etc. Could it be that you mean to imply that the humanity we know as such is actually our animal side, while the cruelties we've been committing throughout history are the human side? Help me there.

Insects societies like ants', bees', as well as wasps' are different than human society because their species' futures depend solely on their queens' lifespans of reproductive ability. While women OTOH have the right and freedom not to choose undesirable men to mate with, the men however can raid and rape women by enslaving them as sex slaves. Thereby these men forcing women to bare them offspring while they disregarding the women's dignity and freedom.

What I'm implying is that humans are still just social animals, with certain individuals having genetic variants to rebel against natural selection. By them disregarding their human nature instead of them nourishing from it. And when the evolutionary process of human individuals disregarding human nature reoccurs itself as the practice of slavery in human civilization, the other process of human individuals nourishing human nature corrects the unnatural genetic variant of slavery as the humanitarian movement in human civilization.

Furthermore, I think the humans individual rights as how they dignify their individual morality with their individual actions, while their individual freedoms as how completely self-aware they are with their individual thoughts and feelings in accordance with their individual actions. Thereby the strong individualists will empower themselves with master morality, while they acknowledge and aware of other strong individualists of equal values. Whereas weak collectivists will enslave themselves with slave morality, while they lie and deceive of other weak collectivists of similar mentality.


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



Hell I am an Otaku and I play those games but I know that it's fiction and not real... when you lose touch with reality that badly that is just sad, that is just well damn i am at a loss for words...... all i can say is wtf, i prefer female interaction when I go out to shop or hang out at a book store to talk about manga etc but yeah...... that guy needs help badly "plus who say's his wife will not cheat since it's a game after all lol" on the plus side at least he will not be adding to gene pool and making it any worse that it already is.

If he needed help, then he's not the only one. When you consider just how many Japanese individuals are incompetent social animals just like him, because of the Japanese collectivism cultural influence of sameness. Otherwise, how would you explain Japan's low birthrate with their lack of strong family values, when the majority of Japanese individuals values less about their own selves' worth. Because of their capitalistic view place higher worth on material wealth and social status.
Posted 12/27/09


the low birth rate is because of that and the fact that people don't want to accept people for who they are they are or set their standards way to high in order to find a mate. I want to be with some one that likes me for who i am and not have to put up a front or lie about that but into today's society if you don't meet a certain standard then your well "fucked" I guess is the only way I can put it. I will have to think more on the subject because I am still sick right now and my throat is red from puking so much so i do hope to continue this discussion later... =_=
Posted 12/27/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



the low birth rate is because of that and the fact that people don't want to accept people for who they are they are or set their standards way to high in order to find a mate. I want to be with some one that likes me for who i am and not have to put up a front or lie about that but into today's society if you don't meet a certain standard then your well "fucked" I guess is the only way I can put it. I will have to think more on the subject because I am still sick right now and my throat is red from puking so much so i do hope to continue this discussion later... =_=

I'm gonna go off topic here on my own thread for a bit because I wanna.

My girlfriend and I just finished rehabilitating one of her BFF to go out and have herself some fun, just shortly after she got dumped by her ex-fiancee. Regardless they got engaged after only 2 weeks of dating, I still think she has a valuable lesson to learn from this relationship disaster; she needs a man who will celebrate her being herself for the better, otherwise she won't be happy and her relationship won't last.

So this was how it is with my GF's BFF, she's very attractive by most men's standard(a little bit loud for me, however ). But she's been having bad luck with all the guys she dated, including the last one. And then I found out that all the guys she dated had one thing in common; they all tried to change her by making her less glamorous than they first met her as, after they started dating her. Her ex-fiancee even got her a pair of earrings that's totally opposite of what she would usually wears, while all her ex-BFs all requested her to go out less, take less dance classes, and generally do less things she likes but they didn't approve.

And this is what I don't approve with those guys: the fact that they tried to change her into something that's obviously less than her usual glamorous self. Because to me that's very manipulative of them to do so; why would they want a woman that's less glamorous than before they met, unless that's the only way they can be sure to keep her with them.
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.