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lols, canto is cantonese :D
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haha, i think id rather learn korean first, somehow doesnt seem like waht most people would learn, since jap. and mandarin are more 'popular'


strange abbrevation yeah it seems like japanese and mandarin is more hip at the time, but some time people will find that korean is quite cool too And they have a cool writing system too ;)

haha, i know!! i have this korean dude in my class, and it so cool how he writes korean xD but the rest of him...dont ask :P
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Posted 1/2/08

adOrkabLe_filo wrote:

At the moment I'm trying to learn Japanese. Since I have jap relatives, I should atleast be able to communicate with them! Plus, I plan on going there after high school. I'm also keen on learning Korean, although it seems hella hard but I'll try anyway.

Right now I'm just trying to learn the basic greetings and phrases of both languages. I also watch Japanese and Korean dramas, as well as listen to their music to see if I can pick up anything. So far, that's worked.

Oh yeh, I can speak, read and write in Tagalog.

cool, tagalog, which country speaks that? And is there something cool in it? What writingsystem do they use?


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I really want to learn Japanese at the moment because.. i really dont know. Maybe it'll help me later on in life? If i get to travel to Japan? I just find it interesting. Maybe i would sign up for some classes, or if my high school has that language elective, i might take it. I already speak Cantonese, and it might be better to learn Mandarin instead of Japanese, but i can sort of already understand some of it so yeah...


yup at least it's worth a try if you found that you don't like it or it is not working out then you know that
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I'm in my fourth year of Japanese in high school, and I don't think I know enough to go into Japan still. I mean, I don't even have the speed to keep up with the native Japanese speakers, nor the wit for I have few things to say. It'd be nice to take it in college, but not as a major, for there are few careers in mind that involve me using the language. I just want to say that the hiragana and katakana do derive from the Chinese kanji, or kanshi (to be fair for the Mandarin speakers). Saying Japanese is different from Chinese is like saying English is different than Latin; one came from the other. The problem though is that when you take a European language, you at least have roots to rely on whereas taking oriental languages gets confusing for a non-native speaker.
I'd really like to learn more Korean, as it is also close to Chinese. There are many similarities among the three. One is that Korean and Japanese are phonetic and syllabic, so learning Korean of Chinese would be easier :sweatingbullets:. Another reason is that Korean stems from Chinese (the only thing I can say is go to Wikipedia and search for "hangul" and "hanja" and know how so many words in all three languages can have distinct similarities in certain words). One cool thing I've learned is that individually, the symbols don't mean anything by themselves, and they can be put together to make a word (similar to kanji).
Since my parents speak mainly an informal Tagalog (Visayan is not included), it's really confusing for me to know what I know officially. It's somewhat useful in understanding my parents' broken English, although our writing is the same as the writing I'm using here (because of the Spaniard conquistadors, also searchable on Wikipedia, but I can just say Magellan "found" the Philippines too), so there isn't a lot of "beauty" in the writing as much as there is in the sound of the language(s).
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Totally. xD
If it doesnt work out, i might just take Mandarin.
Or Korean o=
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I already speak Tagalog (Filipino)
Hmm...is that considered Asian? It actually incorporates some Spanish words and sounds a bitlike Indonesian.
I want to learn Japanese though, but my school doesn't offer it anymore.
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oOJEFFOo wrote:
Koreans find Japanese easy 2 learn but I think Japs will find it hard to learn Korean.

And will you please elaborate and get any reasons for this claim? or are we supposed to just believe your claim out of nowhere?


Well dont mind me if I elaborate this claim...

Anyways.. It was because Korea was colonised by Japan and so some words there are easy to learn because the language in Korea evolved from niponggo (did I spell it right?) and Niponggo evolved from China... see what I mean?

And probably it aint easy for Japanese because even though there are similarities... Japan does not "borrow" any Korean words...

Its the same with French and English... Its much easier to learn French if youre fluent in English because it is much easier to construct it...while French would find English difficult of the fact that it is much harder to construct... 4 example: le, la, les... all means "the" but different in uses: Le=man singular, La=female singular and Les is plural
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I already speak Tagalog (Filipino)
Hmm...is that considered Asian? It actually incorporates some Spanish words and sounds a bitlike Indonesian.
I want to learn Japanese though, but my school doesn't offer it anymore.


It's Asian, the Philippines is in Asia. And there may be roots, but that's common withing languages. Japan's word, "anime" is an abbreviated form of "animation" which is an English word. They incorporate a lot more English in their language than you think, but not as much as Tagalog incorporates Spanish of course.

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Well, I barely know any of them.

In able to communicate with people, my parents forced me to learn Mandarin...then some Japanese...then my parents offered lessons but I rejected
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I'm in my fourth year of Japanese in high school, and I don't think I know enough to go into Japan still. I mean, I don't even have the speed to keep up with the native Japanese speakers, nor the wit for I have few things to say. It'd be nice to take it in college, but not as a major, for there are few careers in mind that involve me using the language.

Hehe, The speed isn't my main problem, the lack of words and my still not finished grammar is worse, but it'll be worked out with time.

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I just want to say that the hiragana and katakana do derive from the Chinese kanji, or kanshi (to be fair for the Mandarin speakers). Saying Japanese is different from Chinese is like saying English is different than Latin; one came from the other. The problem though is that when you take a European language, you at least have roots to rely on whereas taking oriental languages gets confusing for a non-native speaker.

This isn't totally correct while the hiragana and katakana is derived from chineese doesn't make them alike anything like the chinese, the main difference in the writing is that in second to having hiragana and katakana, the japanese use some simplyfied forms and they do distort some of the meanings too, and don't forget the kun and on reading.
The other main point where your analogy is weak is that latin and english both come from the indoeuropean language family while chineese and japanese do not share this treat, the reason why the japanese took the chineese writing system is because they didn't have a way to write things in japanese.


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I'd really like to learn more Korean, as it is also close to Chinese. There are many similarities among the three. One is that Korean and Japanese are phonetic and syllabic, so learning Korean of Chinese would be easier :sweatingbullets:. Another reason is that Korean stems from Chinese (the only thing I can say is go to Wikipedia and search for "hangul" and "hanja" and know how so many words in all three languages can have distinct similarities in certain words). One cool thing I've learned is that individually, the symbols don't mean anything by themselves, and they can be put together to make a word (similar to kanji).

The korean language I believe have some parts that have readings like hiragana and katakana, that you can combine to get letters, someone correct my as I may be wrong on this ;)


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Since my parents speak mainly an informal Tagalog (Visayan is not included), it's really confusing for me to know what I know officially. It's somewhat useful in understanding my parents' broken English, although our writing is the same as the writing I'm using here (because of the Spaniard conquistadors, also searchable on Wikipedia, but I can just say Magellan "found" the Philippines too), so there isn't a lot of "beauty" in the writing as much as there is in the sound of the language(s).

cool ;)

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^^ Interesting..

Well...I've been learning Japanese at school for 3 years now. But that was only for two hour sessions a week. I also went on a school exchange to Japan. (they came here then we went there.)

This year I'm taking Jap as one of my six subjects. So now there will be four hours of lessons a week and *gasp* exams! I want to learn more Japanese because I'm so fascinated by it all, their culture, food, fashion *cough* drama and music *cough*. Now I have some friends in Japan, especially my exchange student and her family who I'd like to communicate better with. Plus, all I'm fluent in is English, It's be awesome to speak and understand another language.
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hmm. i would like to learn japanese bacause.. *sigh* i dont really know. hahaha. i learn in the internet. there are quite many useful sites in the net. i also know how to write katakana but only a little. and im not that good. haha.
Posted 1/2/08

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torerling wrote:


oOJEFFOo wrote:
Koreans find Japanese easy 2 learn but I think Japs will find it hard to learn Korean.

And will you please elaborate and get any reasons for this claim? or are we supposed to just believe your claim out of nowhere?


Well dont mind me if I elaborate this claim...

Anyways.. It was because Korea was colonised by Japan and so some words there are easy to learn because the language in Korea evolved from niponggo (did I spell it right?) and Niponggo evolved from China... see what I mean?

And probably it aint easy for Japanese because even though there are similarities... Japan does not "borrow" any Korean words...

Its the same with French and English... Its much easier to learn French if youre fluent in English because it is much easier to construct it...while French would find English difficult of the fact that it is much harder to construct... 4 example: le, la, les... all means "the" but different in uses: Le=man singular, La=female singular and Les is plural


I'm not sure if I'm with you here first of all, japanese did not evolve from chinese, it took the writingsystem and got some loanwords from them, but the construction and everything else is different as they are different language families.
It's nihongo, but you weren't far off :P
My language does use suffixes to words to construct "the" and I still don't find it especially hard to learn english., I think the main reason for a language being hard to grasp is mainly exposure and not the loanwords, Norwegian takes loanwords from english, and then we share those words, it makes it easier for norwegians to learn english, but at the same time since we share them english people find it easier to learn norwegian ;)
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adOrkabLe_filo wrote:


torerling wrote:


adOrkabLe_filo wrote:

At the moment I'm trying to learn Japanese. Since I have jap relatives, I should atleast be able to communicate with them! Plus, I plan on going there after high school. I'm also keen on learning Korean, although it seems hella hard but I'll try anyway.

Right now I'm just trying to learn the basic greetings and phrases of both languages. I also watch Japanese and Korean dramas, as well as listen to their music to see if I can pick up anything. So far, that's worked.

Oh yeh, I can speak, read and write in Tagalog.

cool, tagalog, which country speaks that? And is there something cool in it? What writingsystem do they use?


Philippines, yeh I guess it's cool. =] The writing system is the same though, the normal A B C, nothing special expect we have an extra letter, It's an N with a squiggly thing above it lol. It's got Spanish influence, so most filo's can atleast speak a certain amount of Spanish. It's got some similarities to the Indonesian language too.

This is what the letters used back then looked like:




yup thats the writing used way back ages ago before american colonization in the philippines.. Americans taught us the english form of writing which is the ABC's thats why Tagalog way of writing is similar to americans/English...

Posted 1/2/08

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adOrkabLe_filo wrote:
Philippines, yeh I guess it's cool. =] The writing system is the same though, the normal A B C, nothing special expect we have an extra letter, It's an N with a squiggly thing above it lol. It's got Spanish influence, so most filo's can atleast speak a certain amount of Spanish. It's got some similarities to the Indonesian language too.

This is what the letters used back then looked like:


up thats the writing used way back ages ago before american colonization in the philippines.. Americans taught us the english form of writing which is the ABC's thats why Tagalog way of writing is similar to americans/English...

Ah then I know what you mean I took spanish for one year in highschool nice to know didn't know too much about tagalog so I'm learning ;)
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