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Posted 1/22/10

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DerfelCadarn wrote:


" it is a matter of whether we live in a society which is predicated upon secularity and objectivity."

The USA is predicated on secularity and no society is based on objectivity-which is relative in nature anyway.human beings cant be objective in everyday live.

"Rather, it is an admission of being superstitious apes laden with little else apart from subjectivity."

what does superstition have to do with stem cell research and anything related to it?Everyone is subjective.

The final outcome is usually some stillborn solution based on arbitrary nonsensical rubbish that makes sense to no reasonable human being who hasn't had his or her views and values externally imposed.

all human beings have had thier views externally imposed... peace over war


Human beings can be objective in so far as interactions are concerned. The USA, when it comes to liberties, is not really the prime example of a well-functioning system.

When you base a claim grounded in the great void of 'f*ck-allity' and try to sell it on as an objective truth, that is when superstition connects with stem cell research.

I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

And may I also add that the truth is not subjective, as in the true states of affairs that exist in the natural world are not subjective and they are thus not going to change in light of interpretations.


I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

well then u cant be human. Not even a mutated one. Human babies r born blank.Everything they learn and "discover" comes from some outside source.Our experiences in life shape and define who we r and what we r. The decisions we make form the very spritual core of our being. We have very little natural instincts that regulate these decisions.

To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war
Yeah, right~.

Human babies aren't born with knowledge, but human nature is indeed real.
Posted 1/23/10

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'This is why I am a all for cloning of organs. ' If I have a bad heart, whats better have a backup heart made just for you that is a 100% match, or take a chance with a heart that just might not be accepted by your body.
Well you're in luck. Because now they are coating, baking, and printing new organs within 6-8 weeks of time.

So why am I getting this feeling that medical science is starting to look a lot like the Play Doh play set?
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Posted 1/23/10

DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


" it is a matter of whether we live in a society which is predicated upon secularity and objectivity."

The USA is predicated on secularity and no society is based on objectivity-which is relative in nature anyway.human beings cant be objective in everyday live.

"Rather, it is an admission of being superstitious apes laden with little else apart from subjectivity."

what does superstition have to do with stem cell research and anything related to it?Everyone is subjective.

The final outcome is usually some stillborn solution based on arbitrary nonsensical rubbish that makes sense to no reasonable human being who hasn't had his or her views and values externally imposed.

all human beings have had thier views externally imposed... peace over war


Human beings can be objective in so far as interactions are concerned. The USA, when it comes to liberties, is not really the prime example of a well-functioning system.

When you base a claim grounded in the great void of 'f*ck-allity' and try to sell it on as an objective truth, that is when superstition connects with stem cell research.

I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

And may I also add that the truth is not subjective, as in the true states of affairs that exist in the natural world are not subjective and they are thus not going to change in light of interpretations.


I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

well then u cant be human. Not even a mutated one. Human babies r born blank.Everything they learn and "discover" comes from some outside source.Our experiences in life shape and define who we r and what we r. The decisions we make form the very spritual core of our being. We have very little natural instincts that regulate these decisions.

To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war
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Posted 1/23/10

JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


" it is a matter of whether we live in a society which is predicated upon secularity and objectivity."

The USA is predicated on secularity and no society is based on objectivity-which is relative in nature anyway.human beings cant be objective in everyday live.

"Rather, it is an admission of being superstitious apes laden with little else apart from subjectivity."

what does superstition have to do with stem cell research and anything related to it?Everyone is subjective.

The final outcome is usually some stillborn solution based on arbitrary nonsensical rubbish that makes sense to no reasonable human being who hasn't had his or her views and values externally imposed.

all human beings have had thier views externally imposed... peace over war


Human beings can be objective in so far as interactions are concerned. The USA, when it comes to liberties, is not really the prime example of a well-functioning system.

When you base a claim grounded in the great void of 'f*ck-allity' and try to sell it on as an objective truth, that is when superstition connects with stem cell research.

I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

And may I also add that the truth is not subjective, as in the true states of affairs that exist in the natural world are not subjective and they are thus not going to change in light of interpretations.


I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

well then u cant be human. Not even a mutated one. Human babies r born blank.Everything they learn and "discover" comes from some outside source.Our experiences in life shape and define who we r and what we r. The decisions we make form the very spritual core of our being. We have very little natural instincts that regulate these decisions.

To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war


Surely you are aware of the meaning of the word 'impose'.
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Posted 1/23/10

DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


" it is a matter of whether we live in a society which is predicated upon secularity and objectivity."

The USA is predicated on secularity and no society is based on objectivity-which is relative in nature anyway.human beings cant be objective in everyday live.

"Rather, it is an admission of being superstitious apes laden with little else apart from subjectivity."

what does superstition have to do with stem cell research and anything related to it?Everyone is subjective.

The final outcome is usually some stillborn solution based on arbitrary nonsensical rubbish that makes sense to no reasonable human being who hasn't had his or her views and values externally imposed.

all human beings have had thier views externally imposed... peace over war


Human beings can be objective in so far as interactions are concerned. The USA, when it comes to liberties, is not really the prime example of a well-functioning system.

When you base a claim grounded in the great void of 'f*ck-allity' and try to sell it on as an objective truth, that is when superstition connects with stem cell research.

I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

And may I also add that the truth is not subjective, as in the true states of affairs that exist in the natural world are not subjective and they are thus not going to change in light of interpretations.


I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

well then u cant be human. Not even a mutated one. Human babies r born blank.Everything they learn and "discover" comes from some outside source.Our experiences in life shape and define who we r and what we r. The decisions we make form the very spritual core of our being. We have very little natural instincts that regulate these decisions.

To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war


Surely you are aware of the meaning of the word 'impose'.


does the definition matter? reguardless of it, your views came from some external force and not from within. It doesnt matter if they were imposed from someone else, imposed from yourself, or imposed from the enviornment. The end result stays the same. peace over war
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Posted 1/24/10

JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


" it is a matter of whether we live in a society which is predicated upon secularity and objectivity."

The USA is predicated on secularity and no society is based on objectivity-which is relative in nature anyway.human beings cant be objective in everyday live.

"Rather, it is an admission of being superstitious apes laden with little else apart from subjectivity."

what does superstition have to do with stem cell research and anything related to it?Everyone is subjective.

The final outcome is usually some stillborn solution based on arbitrary nonsensical rubbish that makes sense to no reasonable human being who hasn't had his or her views and values externally imposed.

all human beings have had thier views externally imposed... peace over war


Human beings can be objective in so far as interactions are concerned. The USA, when it comes to liberties, is not really the prime example of a well-functioning system.

When you base a claim grounded in the great void of 'f*ck-allity' and try to sell it on as an objective truth, that is when superstition connects with stem cell research.

I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

And may I also add that the truth is not subjective, as in the true states of affairs that exist in the natural world are not subjective and they are thus not going to change in light of interpretations.


I have not had my views externally imposed, therefore not all human beings had their views externally imposed, or I am not a human being.

well then u cant be human. Not even a mutated one. Human babies r born blank.Everything they learn and "discover" comes from some outside source.Our experiences in life shape and define who we r and what we r. The decisions we make form the very spritual core of our being. We have very little natural instincts that regulate these decisions.

To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war


Surely you are aware of the meaning of the word 'impose'.


does the definition matter? reguardless of it, your views came from some external force and not from within. It doesnt matter if they were imposed from someone else, imposed from yourself, or imposed from the enviornment. The end result stays the same. peace over war


Oh hell. I suggest you spend the time you would spend in ED in the general part of the forum.
Posted 1/24/10

JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:



To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war


Surely you are aware of the meaning of the word 'impose'.


does the definition matter? reguardless of it, your views came from some external force and not from within. It doesnt matter if they were imposed from someone else, imposed from yourself, or imposed from the enviornment. The end result stays the same. peace over war
Yes it does, especially when empirical knowledge by definition can only be gathered through individuals' senses. And it's true because it just so happens to be the case every single time, even before any individual was made aware of its existence through sensory organs.

Therefore nothing can impose you with empirical knowledge, when you're born with sensory organs that were meant to gather empirical knowledge. Simply by you observing the world through your senses.
Posted 1/24/10
I approve on the idea for stem cell research because of the uniqueness of the cells they use ( was it from the umbilical cord or the fetus, cause I forgot) & use it to help cancerous cells or other life-threatening ailments. The only issue I have is with the cloning part.
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Posted 1/24/10

DomFortress wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:



To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war


Surely you are aware of the meaning of the word 'impose'.


does the definition matter? reguardless of it, your views came from some external force and not from within. It doesnt matter if they were imposed from someone else, imposed from yourself, or imposed from the enviornment. The end result stays the same. peace over war
Yes it does, especially when empirical knowledge by definition can only be gathered through individuals' senses. And it's true because it just so happens to be the case every single time, even before any individual was made aware of its existence through sensory organs.

Therefore nothing can impose you with empirical knowledge, when you're born with sensory organs that were meant to gather empirical knowledge. Simply by you observing the world through your senses.


You cant observe the world with your senses. Only a small part of your environment can be observed. And the senses often makes mistakes when observing.Reguardless though- if u grow up in a man made or man-influenced environment, that enviornment was imposed on you. You didnt choose to be born thier,and everything in it will be exposed to your senses. Same way how we dont get to choose our first language- its choosen for us- imposed by our parents.

Basiclly- an environment imposes on you. The envioroment was made/influenced by man. therefore man imposes on you.

A is to C as A is to B as B is to C

basic arithamatic or is it basic american alphaabet? or maybe i just dont know what the hell im talking about? peace over war
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Posted 1/24/10 , edited 1/24/10

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I approve on the idea for stem cell research because of the uniqueness of the cells they use ( was it from the umbilical cord or the fetus, cause I forgot) & use it to help cancerous cells or other life-threatening ailments. The only issue I have is with the cloning part.


WHAT THE FUCK! The cloning part can save much much more lives... How can anyone be against cloning? Anything from cloning organs for transplants, like skin, blood, hearts, livers, eyes, much much more.. can you imagine how many people on there death beds could have a new lease on life. (or is that what you do not like? How it could save millions without needing a god to step in.)

Burn victims new skin graphs. Lost your eye sight do to a car wreck, Fear not we can clone you new eye in a 2 to 3 months time. You be as good as new.. maby even better.

As for me I been looking into robotic parts.. Japan has already created devices that allow people who can barely move there legs move there legs with ease using body enhancement devices. It makes me think of IRONMAN but without the armor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYabUPOoBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHyNNyC62Q&feature=related
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Posted 1/25/10 , edited 1/25/10

JJT2 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


JJT2 wrote:



To be born all knowing is inhumane.If what u say is true, you would be closer related to a god rather then a human.peace over war


Empirical knowledge is not knowledge imposed. How can your observations force themselves upon you? You have simply misunderstood me.


you have answered your own quesion, but it doesnt really matter, the knowledge you recieved came from some outside force (people, environment, ect.) That external force shaped yur views on the world.peace over war


Surely you are aware of the meaning of the word 'impose'.


does the definition matter? reguardless of it, your views came from some external force and not from within. It doesnt matter if they were imposed from someone else, imposed from yourself, or imposed from the enviornment. The end result stays the same. peace over war
Yes it does, especially when empirical knowledge by definition can only be gathered through individuals' senses. And it's true because it just so happens to be the case every single time, even before any individual was made aware of its existence through sensory organs.

Therefore nothing can impose you with empirical knowledge, when you're born with sensory organs that were meant to gather empirical knowledge. Simply by you observing the world through your senses.


You cant observe the world with your senses. Only a small part of your environment can be observed. And the senses often makes mistakes when observing.Reguardless though- if u grow up in a man made or man-influenced environment, that enviornment was imposed on you. You didnt choose to be born thier,and everything in it will be exposed to your senses. Same way how we dont get to choose our first language- its choosen for us- imposed by our parents.

Basiclly- an environment imposes on you. The envioroment was made/influenced by man. therefore man imposes on you.

A is to C as A is to B as B is to C

basic arithamatic or is it basic american alphaabet? or maybe i just dont know what the hell im talking about? peace over war



Cambridge Dictionary ( http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=39460&dict=CALD ) defines 'impose' as something 'forced' in both of its definitions. Now, it is self-evident that only sentient beings can force something upon someone, and thus force being a requirement of imposition it is not possible for non-sentient things to force anything upon anyone.


You cant observe the world with your senses. Only a small part of your environment can be observed.


As a preliminary remark. That is a contradictory statement.

With language, you can argue that it was imposed, but even that, really is untrue since people don't really resist when they are absorbing a language at a very young age, and frankly, these people are not being taught a language in the strict sense, they are merely absorbing it. As for the environment, no, that is untrue. The environment cannot impose itself upon you. There is simply no element of force. Additionally, even if you focus on 'man', there is no imposition, since the environment was not shaped with a view to forcing you or anyone else to accept it as official or as authoritative, simply because these attributes do not, truly, exist. And no, the environment does not impose anything upon you and therefore neither can man vicariously.

It is not basic American alphabet. It is the Latin alphabet.
Posted 1/25/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


WHAT THE FUCK! The cloning part can save much much more lives... How can anyone be against cloning? Anything from cloning organs for transplants, like skin, blood, hearts, livers, eyes, much much more.. can you imagine how many people on there death beds could have a new lease on life. (or is that what you do not like? How it could save millions without needing a god to step in.)

Burn victims new skin graphs. Lost your eye sight do to a car wreck, Fear not we can clone you new eye in a 2 to 3 months time. You be as good as new.. maby even better.

As for me I been looking into robotic parts.. Japan has already created devices that allow people who can barely move there legs move there legs with ease using body enhancement devices. It makes me think of IRONMAN but without the armor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYabUPOoBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHyNNyC62Q&feature=related


I meant when they said they can clone humans. I heard it can be possible with stem cell research & I don't approve of that. you have tons of mental issues dude. you clearly spend too much time here.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


WHAT THE FUCK! The cloning part can save much much more lives... How can anyone be against cloning? Anything from cloning organs for transplants, like skin, blood, hearts, livers, eyes, much much more.. can you imagine how many people on there death beds could have a new lease on life. (or is that what you do not like? How it could save millions without needing a god to step in.)

Burn victims new skin graphs. Lost your eye sight do to a car wreck, Fear not we can clone you new eye in a 2 to 3 months time. You be as good as new.. maby even better.

As for me I been looking into robotic parts.. Japan has already created devices that allow people who can barely move there legs move there legs with ease using body enhancement devices. It makes me think of IRONMAN but without the armor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYabUPOoBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHyNNyC62Q&feature=related


I meant when they said they can clone humans. I heard it can be possible with stem cell research & I don't approve of that. you have tons of mental issues dude. you clearly spend too much time here.


Umm last time I looked no one said there going to clone humans. (this is not some bad ww2 sci fi movie..)


as for me being here, I am here for 5 mins the most a day hardly call that being here to much. 'I check my mail someone comments on anything I said, if I have time I come and reply back because that is the decent thing to do.'

You Clearly have no idea what your talking about.! On that note... talking about someone being here to often, How many times have your post been taken down from a ED do to you trolling and spamming on ED threads? Give you hint more times than I have posted in the last month! So do not give me that crap about spending too much time here!



Now that I got the rant out of the way.. On to the topic.

There is no resin for people restrict such research from taking place. It has no affect good or bad towards Abortion %.
On top of that the benefits of this research far out-way the religious outcry, and ignorance spewing from the bible belt.
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mystic17 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


WHAT THE FUCK! The cloning part can save much much more lives... How can anyone be against cloning? Anything from cloning organs for transplants, like skin, blood, hearts, livers, eyes, much much more.. can you imagine how many people on there death beds could have a new lease on life. (or is that what you do not like? How it could save millions without needing a god to step in.)

Burn victims new skin graphs. Lost your eye sight do to a car wreck, Fear not we can clone you new eye in a 2 to 3 months time. You be as good as new.. maby even better.

As for me I been looking into robotic parts.. Japan has already created devices that allow people who can barely move there legs move there legs with ease using body enhancement devices. It makes me think of IRONMAN but without the armor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYabUPOoBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHyNNyC62Q&feature=related


I meant when they said they can clone humans. I heard it can be possible with stem cell research & I don't approve of that. you have tons of mental issues dude. you clearly spend too much time here.


Umm last time I looked no one said there going to clone humans. (this is not some bad ww2 sci fi movie..)


as for me being here, I am here for 5 mins the most a day hardly call that being here to much. 'I check my mail someone comments on anything I said, if I have time I come and reply back because that is the decent thing to do.'

You Clearly have no idea what your talking about.! On that note... talking about someone being here to often, How many times have your post been taken down from a ED do to you trolling and spamming on ED threads? Give you hint more times than I have posted in the last month! So do not give me that crap about spending too much time here!



Now that I got the rant out of the way.. On to the topic.

There is no resin for people restrict such research from taking place. It has no affect good or bad towards Abortion %.
On top of that the benefits of this research far out-way the religious outcry, and ignorance spewing from the bible belt.


Some religious people are for the research, some non-religious are agaisnt it. I personally have some intellectual problems with it my self. all this curing cancer, restoring loss limbs, curing diabities/AIDs, ect. will just over populate the human population.

We have these things for a reason-keep the population under control. Which wil cause more wars, diesease, death and destruction.We need to lower the population, not increase it.Its time for a change. This research is blasphemy and of the devil! It hurts people by increasing the population and raising the life expectancy...in the words of Hitler- "one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic" peace over war
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


mystic17 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


WHAT THE FUCK! The cloning part can save much much more lives... How can anyone be against cloning? Anything from cloning organs for transplants, like skin, blood, hearts, livers, eyes, much much more.. can you imagine how many people on there death beds could have a new lease on life. (or is that what you do not like? How it could save millions without needing a god to step in.)

Burn victims new skin graphs. Lost your eye sight do to a car wreck, Fear not we can clone you new eye in a 2 to 3 months time. You be as good as new.. maby even better.

As for me I been looking into robotic parts.. Japan has already created devices that allow people who can barely move there legs move there legs with ease using body enhancement devices. It makes me think of IRONMAN but without the armor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYabUPOoBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHyNNyC62Q&feature=related


I meant when they said they can clone humans. I heard it can be possible with stem cell research & I don't approve of that. you have tons of mental issues dude. you clearly spend too much time here.


Umm last time I looked no one said there going to clone humans. (this is not some bad ww2 sci fi movie..)


as for me being here, I am here for 5 mins the most a day hardly call that being here to much. 'I check my mail someone comments on anything I said, if I have time I come and reply back because that is the decent thing to do.'

You Clearly have no idea what your talking about.! On that note... talking about someone being here to often, How many times have your post been taken down from a ED do to you trolling and spamming on ED threads? Give you hint more times than I have posted in the last month! So do not give me that crap about spending too much time here!



Now that I got the rant out of the way.. On to the topic.

There is no resin for people restrict such research from taking place. It has no affect good or bad towards Abortion %.
On top of that the benefits of this research far out-way the religious outcry, and ignorance spewing from the bible belt.


Some religious people are for the research, some non-religious are agaisnt it. I personally have some intellectual problems with it my self. all this curing cancer, restoring loss limbs, curing diabities/AIDs, ect. will just over populate the human population.

We have these things for a reason-keep the population under control. Which wil cause more wars, diesease, death and destruction.We need to lower the population, not increase it.Its time for a change. This research is blasphemy and of the devil! It hurts people by increasing the population and raising the life expectancy...in the words of Hitler- "one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic" peace over war


Maby then it is time to expand?

Build farming and mining domes on Mars. also 20 light years away there is a planet with air and water ripe for are taking.
space ports also and communities on the moon might be coming soon.. If we do not just shun science, instead allow us to fix the problems using science. Also could we not just regulate the amount of kids we are aloud to have if population ever gets out of hand.
Maby even go as far as to need a license in order to have kids..(that way we can regulate poverty, limiting people who are impoverished from having kids is a way to lower crime, and keep kids off the street starving to death. )
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