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DarkOne wrote: Without Sasuke team mates half of the time blocking him, or he use his eyes alot, he would lose the matche alot.

And that's like saying if Naruto hadn't been saved all those times in the previous episodes like in the Forest of Death. For instance, when Kabuto's clone jumped in the way to protect Naruto from the kunais he triggered.
or if Naruto hadn't cheated his way into learning the Shadow Clone Jutsu. I'm sure everyone has noticed how he uses it every single fight.
Naruto would be dead by now.


Naruto wasn't cheating to get his Shadow Clones he was tricked, after all Naruto isn't very smart, although Naruto requires less people to get in the way to safe him vs Sasuke, truth is Sasuke would have been dead 10 times over if it wasn't for those people getting between him and who he was fighting to save him, where Naruto would have died maybe 3 times out of how many times Naruto got into a bind, Naruto gets into many more binds then Sasuke yet he needs far fewer people to risk there necks to save him, meaning Naruto has proven himself to be far more resiliant then Sasuke in a fight, Naruto requires people saving him far fewer then Sasuke does, i hate to say it but you giving Sasuke way to much credit for his abilities and giving Naruto way to little.


The point here was that he shouldn't have learned Shadow Clone and he uses it every fight , just like Sasuke using his Sharingan.
I'll agree that it takes more people to save Sasuke than to save Naruto, but look at the people they've had on their side during the fight and who their opponent was. Naruto doesn't have too many abilities, most of the time it's : Shadow Clone + Rasengan , Shadow Clone + ?? , etc.
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JCossey wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


DarkOne wrote: Without Sasuke team mates half of the time blocking him, or he use his eyes alot, he would lose the matche alot.

And that's like saying if Naruto hadn't been saved all those times in the previous episodes like in the Forest of Death. For instance, when Kabuto's clone jumped in the way to protect Naruto from the kunais he triggered.
or if Naruto hadn't cheated his way into learning the Shadow Clone Jutsu. I'm sure everyone has noticed how he uses it every single fight.
Naruto would be dead by now.


Naruto wasn't cheating to get his Shadow Clones he was tricked, after all Naruto isn't very smart, although Naruto requires less people to get in the way to safe him vs Sasuke, truth is Sasuke would have been dead 10 times over if it wasn't for those people getting between him and who he was fighting to save him, where Naruto would have died maybe 3 times out of how many times Naruto got into a bind, Naruto gets into many more binds then Sasuke yet he needs far fewer people to risk there necks to save him, meaning Naruto has proven himself to be far more resiliant then Sasuke in a fight, Naruto requires people saving him far fewer then Sasuke does, i hate to say it but you giving Sasuke way to much credit for his abilities and giving Naruto way to little.


The point here was that he shouldn't have learned Shadow Clone and he uses it every fight , just like Sasuke using his Sharingan.
I'll agree that it takes more people to save Sasuke than to save Naruto, but look at the people they've had on their side during the fight and who their opponent was. Naruto doesn't have too many abilities, most of the time it's : Shadow Clone + Rasengan , Shadow Clone + ?? , etc.


again this whole argue should be done after reading the manga!!!!!!
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xBlueCrayon wrote:


JCossey wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


DarkOne wrote: Without Sasuke team mates half of the time blocking him, or he use his eyes alot, he would lose the matche alot.

And that's like saying if Naruto hadn't been saved all those times in the previous episodes like in the Forest of Death. For instance, when Kabuto's clone jumped in the way to protect Naruto from the kunais he triggered.
or if Naruto hadn't cheated his way into learning the Shadow Clone Jutsu. I'm sure everyone has noticed how he uses it every single fight.
Naruto would be dead by now.


Naruto wasn't cheating to get his Shadow Clones he was tricked, after all Naruto isn't very smart, although Naruto requires less people to get in the way to safe him vs Sasuke, truth is Sasuke would have been dead 10 times over if it wasn't for those people getting between him and who he was fighting to save him, where Naruto would have died maybe 3 times out of how many times Naruto got into a bind, Naruto gets into many more binds then Sasuke yet he needs far fewer people to risk there necks to save him, meaning Naruto has proven himself to be far more resiliant then Sasuke in a fight, Naruto requires people saving him far fewer then Sasuke does, i hate to say it but you giving Sasuke way to much credit for his abilities and giving Naruto way to little.


The point here was that he shouldn't have learned Shadow Clone and he uses it every fight , just like Sasuke using his Sharingan.
I'll agree that it takes more people to save Sasuke than to save Naruto, but look at the people they've had on their side during the fight and who their opponent was. Naruto doesn't have too many abilities, most of the time it's : Shadow Clone + Rasengan , Shadow Clone + ?? , etc.


again this whole argue should be done after reading the manga!!!!!!


I've read the manga, but we can't spoil it for the OP :o

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My point was not only there strength in battle, but there development in general and also their versatility. Naruto can do like what? 5 jutsus?
While Sasuke is learning more and more techniques and ways to fight all the time.

It appears that Naruto has a lot of weaknesses and is the weaker Ninja overall, although I'm well aware that many of his abilities counter Sasuke's. Naruto just doesn't feel like a 'complete' Ninja to me. He has tons of chakra and knows some uber jutsus but lacks the basics and versatility.
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Omg... I really hate to say it, but maybe they should rename 'Naruto' to 'Sasuke'. Am I the only one who starts finding it ridiculous how the story is more and more centered around Sasuke?

Heck, Naruto can't even do a single standard wind style jutsu while Sasuke can use Amaterasu now and even extinguish it. Seriously, what the....!? It's really time for Naruto to catch up on the standard jutsus etc. to make him a more 'complete' shinobi. Furthermore all he does is fighting together with several other ninjas where he isn't even the key figure. Sure, he's the one who hits the hardest, but apart from that....

At one point, Kakashi said that Naruto's probably (a lot) stronger than himself by now. Yet they totally fail to show that in the episodes. Instead, all I'm seeing is how Sasuke is wiping the floor with everyone and his mother using the most advanced jutsus and being generally totally overpowered and unbeatable. Today's episode was the first exception, because he practically died 2 or 3 times. But that's only because he didn't use Amaterasu in the first place, since he wasn't aware he could extinguish it.

What it'd like to see after the incoming filler(omg =///) is a) more focus on Naruto, keeping Sasuke out of the picture for a while and b) Naruto finally learning some decent techniques, and that doesn't mean one single killer-jutsu that's totally devastating on the off-chance that it actually hits its target, but instead several standard techniques that he can actually use on a regular basis during a fight. Maybe something to counter (Mangekyo)Sharingan too, though as we've seen today it can be countered by his Jinchuriki 'awakening' him.

Thoughts & Opinions please!
@Manga Readers: Please do spoiler me if my wishes will ever come true.(don't go too far into detail as far as Naruto's opponents go and such)


So long,
Dirk


Edit: Delete please! Moved it to the right Forum.

Edit2: Damn, you moderators are quick at moving threads! Please delete this one.


I totally agree with what you said. I'm still not impressed with Naruto or whatever now.

Posted 1/18/10 , edited 1/18/10
It has always been about naruto but the manga follows pretty much sasuke and all his 'awesome' fights

also.. we all know naruto for the suprising ninja nr. 1, now he's just.. a Naruto with a powered up rasengan
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Another thing I noticed is that Naruto is supposed to be quick and strong, having a very good physique in general. However, no matter who he's fighting against, they always dodge his attack with complete ease, even if caught off guard.

If Naruto actually wins a fight he always keeps missing all the time, takes a LOT of hits, and then finally he uses some kind of tricky move and then scores ONE SINGLE devastating hit. Normally just about anyone should have problems dodging his attacks and keeping up with his moves, especially when there are 5-10 shadow clones coming at them.

Furthermore Naruto's shadow clones ALWAYS vanish in one hit although it is his specialty, while other Ninjas have no trouble taking a few hits with their clones. Most of them can actually CONTROL when their clones vanish.

My point is that whenever Naruto is fighting someone, especially if it's not one of the big story fights(like vs. Kakuzu for example) you don't get the feeling they're actually fighting a dangerous opponent, which is exactly what Naruto is supposed to be. According to all the statements scattered througout the series just about ANYONE who takes Naruto head-on in a melee fight should be screwed. Yet every he fights seems to have complete control over the battle until that final moment when Naruto does his killer striker.

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Seriously? Are people making the argument that Sasuke is a better ninja because he knows more jutsu's? Look where that ultimately got Orochimaru... not very far at all. It should be more about what they can do with what they know rather than just what they know. Keep in mind that Naruto also has Sage mode...
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Actually the manga was originally going to be called Sasuke, but got changed for some reason.
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Are you kidding me sasuke has not won a battle on his own ever!!!!!!! here our some battles



Naruto has won battles on his own like.....
if you have not watched the pain vs naruto battle you might not want to read this....
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xBlueCrayon wrote:


JCossey wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


DarkOne wrote: Without Sasuke team mates half of the time blocking him, or he use his eyes alot, he would lose the matche alot.

And that's like saying if Naruto hadn't been saved all those times in the previous episodes like in the Forest of Death. For instance, when Kabuto's clone jumped in the way to protect Naruto from the kunais he triggered.
or if Naruto hadn't cheated his way into learning the Shadow Clone Jutsu. I'm sure everyone has noticed how he uses it every single fight.
Naruto would be dead by now.


Naruto wasn't cheating to get his Shadow Clones he was tricked, after all Naruto isn't very smart, although Naruto requires less people to get in the way to safe him vs Sasuke, truth is Sasuke would have been dead 10 times over if it wasn't for those people getting between him and who he was fighting to save him, where Naruto would have died maybe 3 times out of how many times Naruto got into a bind, Naruto gets into many more binds then Sasuke yet he needs far fewer people to risk there necks to save him, meaning Naruto has proven himself to be far more resiliant then Sasuke in a fight, Naruto requires people saving him far fewer then Sasuke does, i hate to say it but you giving Sasuke way to much credit for his abilities and giving Naruto way to little.


The point here was that he shouldn't have learned Shadow Clone and he uses it every fight , just like Sasuke using his Sharingan.
I'll agree that it takes more people to save Sasuke than to save Naruto, but look at the people they've had on their side during the fight and who their opponent was. Naruto doesn't have too many abilities, most of the time it's : Shadow Clone + Rasengan , Shadow Clone + ?? , etc.


Yeah but now Sasuke is Amaterasu+Susanoo+Amaterasu+....
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I also have a feeling that naruto is VERY slow all he does are his shadow clones... i mean he loses to his opponents in everything... speed, taijutsu, genjutsu and also ninjutsu... but allways at the end he somehow manages to hit his opponent with rasengan or some other ''deadly'' technique... in my opinion he is just medium ranked ninja... but still he allways beats strong ninjas like Kakuzu
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liquidsteel_123 wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


JCossey wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


DarkOne wrote: Without Sasuke team mates half of the time blocking him, or he use his eyes alot, he would lose the matche alot.

And that's like saying if Naruto hadn't been saved all those times in the previous episodes like in the Forest of Death. For instance, when Kabuto's clone jumped in the way to protect Naruto from the kunais he triggered.
or if Naruto hadn't cheated his way into learning the Shadow Clone Jutsu. I'm sure everyone has noticed how he uses it every single fight.
Naruto would be dead by now.


Naruto wasn't cheating to get his Shadow Clones he was tricked, after all Naruto isn't very smart, although Naruto requires less people to get in the way to safe him vs Sasuke, truth is Sasuke would have been dead 10 times over if it wasn't for those people getting between him and who he was fighting to save him, where Naruto would have died maybe 3 times out of how many times Naruto got into a bind, Naruto gets into many more binds then Sasuke yet he needs far fewer people to risk there necks to save him, meaning Naruto has proven himself to be far more resiliant then Sasuke in a fight, Naruto requires people saving him far fewer then Sasuke does, i hate to say it but you giving Sasuke way to much credit for his abilities and giving Naruto way to little.[/quote]

The point here was that he shouldn't have learned Shadow Clone and he uses it every fight , just like Sasuke using his Sharingan.
I'll agree that it takes more people to save Sasuke than to save Naruto, but look at the people they've had on their side during the fight and who their opponent was. Naruto doesn't have too many abilities, most of the time it's : Shadow Clone + Rasengan , Shadow Clone + ?? , etc.


Yeah but now Sasuke is Amaterasu+Susanoo+Amaterasu+....


Naruto would've been dead by episode 1 by Mizuki.
So, you're telling me that being saved by a few people is worse than being saved by an ultimate beast that couldn't be taken down by an entire village?

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xBlueCrayon wrote:


liquidsteel_123 wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


JCossey wrote:


xBlueCrayon wrote:


DarkOne wrote: Without Sasuke team mates half of the time blocking him, or he use his eyes alot, he would lose the matche alot.

And that's like saying if Naruto hadn't been saved all those times in the previous episodes like in the Forest of Death. For instance, when Kabuto's clone jumped in the way to protect Naruto from the kunais he triggered.
or if Naruto hadn't cheated his way into learning the Shadow Clone Jutsu. I'm sure everyone has noticed how he uses it every single fight.
Naruto would be dead by now.


Naruto wasn't cheating to get his Shadow Clones he was tricked, after all Naruto isn't very smart, although Naruto requires less people to get in the way to safe him vs Sasuke, truth is Sasuke would have been dead 10 times over if it wasn't for those people getting between him and who he was fighting to save him, where Naruto would have died maybe 3 times out of how many times Naruto got into a bind, Naruto gets into many more binds then Sasuke yet he needs far fewer people to risk there necks to save him, meaning Naruto has proven himself to be far more resiliant then Sasuke in a fight, Naruto requires people saving him far fewer then Sasuke does, i hate to say it but you giving Sasuke way to much credit for his abilities and giving Naruto way to little.[/quote]

The point here was that he shouldn't have learned Shadow Clone and he uses it every fight , just like Sasuke using his Sharingan.
I'll agree that it takes more people to save Sasuke than to save Naruto, but look at the people they've had on their side during the fight and who their opponent was. Naruto doesn't have too many abilities, most of the time it's : Shadow Clone + Rasengan , Shadow Clone + ?? , etc.


Yeah but now Sasuke is Amaterasu+Susanoo+Amaterasu+....


Naruto would've been dead by episode 1 by Mizuki.
So, you're telling me that being saved by a few people is worse than being saved by an ultimate beast that couldn't be taken down by an entire village?



I'm simply saying that Sasuke doesn't use his jutsus except his Sharingan powers

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