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Passion is Life-Changingly Contagious
Posted 1/16/10 , edited 1/16/10


I guess because I spent so much time worrying about failing that my passion went with it, but the funny thing is that I still passed in the end. Isn't life funny? I guess I should have more confidence in my intelligence, but I could care less about what you think you know about me, especially over the computer...eh, whatever.

Posted 1/16/10 , edited 1/16/10
This was a very powerful presentation.

It could be that children in their naivety are still capable to face this world with the right support. As a child you tend to perceive things differently, I know I did.
Certainly, in most instances children are being underestimated in their capabilities to contribute to this world. It starts with the simple gibberish "But he's just a child." And with statements like these we're indirectly undermining the potentials of the youth. I don't know how I could empower children with my passion since I lack that critical part, and I would say that this is absolutely negligible in this illustration, I'd rather offer my support. I could imagine that we'd do them a big favour by giving them more opportunities to express themselves, and to give their ideas, and passions the chance to be transformed into something palpable without being thrown away just because they're "just children".
Children are already full of passion, curiosity, and interests, and all we need to do is give them the right support and opportunity to bring these things to fruition.
In that video, I felt like this wasn't so much about giving children passion. I sensed it more as a form of giving those children FINALLY the opportunity to express themselves, to show their potential without being stalled by adults, without being told "But you're just kids.".
Posted 1/16/10 , edited 1/16/10

LosingOrbit wrote:



I guess because I spent so much time worrying about failing that my passion went with it, but the funny thing is that I still passed in the end. Isn't life funny? I guess I should have more confidence in my intelligence, but I could care less about what you think you know about me, especially over the computer...eh, whatever.

It's not about what I think of you, but how much I know about our education, our society, and how their impressions are having what effects on our children.

It is therefore critical of you to have confidence in your own intelligence(s), for they will be the skills and tools that you'll need to obtain true wisdom through your experiences and feelings. And not just from your knowledge and age, when they don't guarantee real maturity.

But then we must ask ourselves this: we of the adults who represent the educators and the citizens of our society, do we really have the same independent confidences in our own individual maturities? When we should possess the cognitive intelligent and clear vision that our children need, in order for us to show them how to have confidence with their own talents.

And this I say no, we didn't. Instead of continuing our own individual lessons in our life, we stopped challenging our own independent intellects. Simply by us relying on authority figures not granted by us, but by an academic system that has no idea how to measure the human concept of a passionate life.

And thus, just like how you could easily dismiss a machine with no passion in life. You ignored my message as well as my person altogether, because it's so easy for you to downplay an emotionless machine.

I'll bet the next thing you would suggest to me is somewhat like the "don't be so judgmental" line, but that's what a responsible and mature adult has to do. For I have to judge everything in order to justify my own actions, otherwise there will be no justice in the first order: myself.


ShroomInferno wrote:

This was a very powerful presentation.

It could be that children in their naivety are still capable to face this world with the right support. As a child you tend to perceive things differently, I know I did.
Certainly, in most instances children are being underestimated in their capabilities to contribute to this world. It starts with the simple gibberish "But he's just a child." And with statements like these we're indirectly undermining the potentials of the youth. I don't know how I could empower children with my passion since I lack that critical part, and I would say that this is absolutely negligible in this illustration, I'd rather offer my support. I could imagine that we'd do them a big favour by giving them more opportunities to express themselves, and to give their ideas, and passions the chance to be transformed into something palpable without being thrown away just because they're "just children".
Children are already full of passion, curiosity, and interests, and all we need to do is give them the right support and opportunity to bring these things to fruition.
In that video, I felt like this wasn't so much about giving children passion. I sensed it more as a form of giving those children FINALLY the opportunity to express themselves, to show their potential without being stalled by adults, without being told "But you're just kids.".
And that's the "changing the world through free play" part that I mentioned in my original post. Because just look at how simply marvelous the concept is; by enabling the chilren to freely express their concerns about the world, they empowered themselves to enable others, while their passion was retained by them transforming the whole process as play: fun for all ages.
Posted 1/16/10 , edited 1/16/10


Adoption isn't something I look towards. I can't trust myself in that situation nor do I believe in it genuinely completing the great circle of life. Also, I didn't mean that what you are doing here has no significance compared to a group, Dom. I only pointed out that it is good when like-minded people come together for the same cause. There are numerous instances of this happening. And yes, we can all do better while we have the time. Me especially. There are never excuses for someone not undertaking a path of self-improvement when they know all too well that they are potentially very capable of it. We can only be cowards for so long before it become too late to act.
Posted 1/16/10

Jiggalo wrote:



Adoption isn't something I look towards. I can't trust myself in that situation nor do I believe in it genuinely completing the great circle of life. Also, I didn't mean that what you are doing here has no significance compared to a group, Dom. I only pointed out that it is good when like-minded people come together for the same cause. There are numerous instances of this happening. And yes, we can all do better while we have the time. Me especially. There are never excuses for someone not undertaking a path of self-improvement when they know all too well that they are potentially very capable of it. We can only be cowards for so long before it become to late to act.
But this is the beauty of this discussion; I want unlike-minded people to also find their own cause in their life, so they can be passionate about them empowering a world of change with their self-improvements.

We can live proudly even when we're only focus on improving ourselves through our own efforts, for that's the path that will invoke us to become strong individuals. And even then I have a framework for strong individuals to contribute towards our society, because I have a hypothesis that "while the public need to be challenged by them meeting new standards, it takes strong individuals to challenge the status quo. That's why when individuals stop being challenged, the human society as a whole stop evolving towards the next evolution".
Posted 1/16/10

DomFortress wrote:


Jiggalo wrote:



Adoption isn't something I look towards. I can't trust myself in that situation nor do I believe in it genuinely completing the great circle of life. Also, I didn't mean that what you are doing here has no significance compared to a group, Dom. I only pointed out that it is good when like-minded people come together for the same cause. There are numerous instances of this happening. And yes, we can all do better while we have the time. Me especially. There are never excuses for someone not undertaking a path of self-improvement when they know all too well that they are potentially very capable of it. We can only be cowards for so long before it become to late to act.
But this is the beauty of this discussion; I want unlike-minded people to also find their own cause in their life, so they can be passionate about them empowering a world of change with their self-improvements.

We can live proudly even when we're only focus on improving ourselves through our own efforts, for that's the path that will invoke us to become strong individuals. And even then I have a framework for strong individuals to contribute towards our society, because I have a hypothesis that "while the public need to be challenged by them meeting new standards, it takes strong individuals to challenge the status quo. That's why when individuals stop being challenged, the human society as a whole stop evolving towards the next evolution".


The status quo is always in need of being challenged to improve. The status quo should be one where nearly everyone is always looking ahead and striving towards a better tomorrow, even if improvement is at a snail's pace. When we do bring people together with different views and get them to cooperate, it makes for some incredible outcomes. Worlds link together and life flourishes. Hope arises and darkness shrinks away for a time. Whether we rise or fall, the stage of life is beyond any playwright's greatest work. I for one prefer to rise since I have seen what falling gets you; a whole lot of nothing good. We can look to those who've fallen for an example of what not to do.
Posted 1/16/10
Quite a interesting topic I see. It's wonderful to see children pursue something like that. [edit later cause I'm having writer's block lol] :/
Posted 3/20/10
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Posted 3/21/10

_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Posted 3/21/10

DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.


Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
Posted 3/21/10 , edited 3/21/10

_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.


Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.

It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation).
Posted 3/21/10

DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.


Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.

It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation).


That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used.
Posted 3/21/10 , edited 3/21/10

_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.


Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.

It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation).


That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used.
I'm saying there's no passion in only obeying what an individual desires. For freedom is the vehicle to dignify humanity from human desire; the individual human will to end the enslaving of originality, creativity, and individuality, from the many wasteful and unnecessary addictions of the society's unnatural pull and desire.
Posted 3/21/10

DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.


Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.

It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation).


That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used.
I'm saying there's no passion in only obeying what an individual desires. For freedom is the vehicle to dignify humanity from human desire; the individual human will to end the enslaving of originality, creativity, and individuality, from the many wasteful and unnecessary addictions of the society's unnatural pull and desire.


Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first.
Posted 3/21/10

_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


_Wasenshi_ wrote:

Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
Then don't mind that I do.

There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.


Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.

It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation).


That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used.
I'm saying there's no passion in only obeying what an individual desires. For freedom is the vehicle to dignify humanity from human desire; the individual human will to end the enslaving of originality, creativity, and individuality, from the many wasteful and unnecessary addictions of the society's unnatural pull and desire.


Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first.
I'm saying that science can analyze human behavioral patterns to the point that I can quantify what's passion from addiction, what's freedom from madness, and what's altruism from entitlement.
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