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Just another group of kids wanting to change the world, like I haven't seen that before.
But how? How did the children managed to succeed in where the adults had failed? That is what you didn't see, because you lack passion in whatever that you do with your life.
Lack passion, huh?
Sir, do you know what emptiness feels like? To no longer have the will to live? For a long time, I've had to push myself constantly just to keep going forward, for that is my will. I refuse to give up and I constantly fight obstacles to reach my goals everyday. You have no idea of my current situation and hell if I'm going to sit back and let you or anyone else say otherwise. Lack of passion? I'm full of passion! I'm the definition of fucking passion! Everyday I just emit it!
I'm sorry, I just needed to get that out..been a long week. That GED pre-test just took a lot out of me. 
So now we go on to where the children managed to succeed in where the adults had failed?
Well, I guess it's because someone actually took the time to teach children to reach their goals in life while they're young and I guess a lot of these adults haven't been taught that. Perhaps I was too quick on sharing my intuition. However my initial intuition about your momentary lack of passion is still correct. So fair enough.
And your point about the GED pre-test drained you of your passion is very interesting. For it's a possibility that the teachers' unjustified expectation about the GED could somehow be the cause of your wanton fear at failing the GED.
Just like Sir Ken Robinson had mentioned how we're educating people out of their creative capacity in school, by stigmatizing them when they're wrong. And how Tim Ferriss had demonstrated how by smashing our fear, we can learn anything just by us doing them right in principles. The problem with our education is the fact that it's not a learning strategy that's specifically designed for just about any individual, when it's a pubic system that's benefiting no one in particular. And what's worst, they're slacking off by them only focusing their teaching resources on some out of the 8 multiple types of intelligence, while those who just happened to be good at somethings else obviously fell through the cracks of this bias system because of it.
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sure dom every little child can change the world as much as child can grow up and be anything they want to be if they have enough hope and passion BULL SHIT and I am speaking from experience of course I wanted to college i really did but that would have cost me 500,000 dollars to go with loans not to mention how much interest i would have had to pay an 9% that would be tacked on every year so yeah... If you have money all your dreams can come true. It's time to stop lying to kids and tell that most will not be doctors or dentists just go on and expect the fact that you will be a clerk at some retail store or cop which is okay i suppose for those who have a dream in doing that. Now I seem to recall my latter part of this discussion is "for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life".
Therefore would you say that the reason you didn't pursuit your life's passion, was because you couldn't afford to go to college and study it? Well then what's stopping you from turning that passion of your into your hobby or interest? That way you can experiment with your passion on your own.
And unless you're passionate about you whining and complaining, which is really no different than you passing "desperation, depression, and despair". No children in their right mind would play with you. While I can't put you down any lower than you've already did so to yourself. I wanted to be a doctor and well i understand it but it's the fact that never in my life I will ever obtain it so it makes me sad i am pessimistic about life and your optimistic that that is the main difference between us and I don't any think any of us are going to change anytime soon
Then can you turn that into your passion in life? Something like "your purpose in life is to prevent people from having children, because you're passionate about a world without children" if you will. You can use your knowledge and interest in medical technology, to empower those around you about the harmful health risks at them having children. Or did all of that just starting to sound too crazy for ya?
I mean you want to save women and children with your life, and yet you don't want anything to do with them because only women can give birth of children. So here I am, suggesting you with a crazy idea about how your passion in life can change the world. But you took it up to a whole new level of crazy-town with that pessimistic attitude of yours.
Therefore do you real want help when you don't need it? Or are you in need of help with something that you didn't want?
I don't care if anyone else has children or how they raise them that's not my businesses i just don't want any nor do i want to throw my useless DNA into the genetic pool, I have to many mental health problems and I do not want my children to go through what i have gone through in my life nor do I want them to suffer how I have in life like I have. If that's crazy then yeah sorry I should have said have said that sooner. Look, I know you had it bad with your own childhood. And you don't want others ended up suffering the same like you did because of it. But those who are still optimistic regardless of their own bad experiences, due to their childhood sufferings and the hands of others, are advocating a better life for all children. Simply by them raising public awareness on how seriously damaging that child abuse can really be, and what form of behaviors are to considered as child abuse.
Therefore regardless of your genes or your DNA, the fact that you're still alive is the prove that you still got some passion left within you. Otherwise I wouldn't have entitled this discussion with the headline "Passion is Life-Changingly Contagious".
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sure dom every little child can change the world as much as child can grow up and be anything they want to be if they have enough hope and passion BULL SHIT and I am speaking from experience of course I wanted to college i really did but that would have cost me 500,000 dollars to go with loans not to mention how much interest i would have had to pay an 9% that would be tacked on every year so yeah... If you have money all your dreams can come true. It's time to stop lying to kids and tell that most will not be doctors or dentists just go on and expect the fact that you will be a clerk at some retail store or cop which is okay i suppose for those who have a dream in doing that. Now I seem to recall my latter part of this discussion is "for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life".
Therefore would you say that the reason you didn't pursuit your life's passion, was because you couldn't afford to go to college and study it? Well then what's stopping you from turning that passion of your into your hobby or interest? That way you can experiment with your passion on your own.
And unless you're passionate about you whining and complaining, which is really no different than you passing "desperation, depression, and despair". No children in their right mind would play with you. While I can't put you down any lower than you've already did so to yourself. I wanted to be a doctor and well i understand it but it's the fact that never in my life I will ever obtain it so it makes me sad i am pessimistic about life and your optimistic that that is the main difference between us and I don't any think any of us are going to change anytime soon
Then can you turn that into your passion in life? Something like "your purpose in life is to prevent people from having children, because you're passionate about a world without children" if you will. You can use your knowledge and interest in medical technology, to empower those around you about the harmful health risks at them having children. Or did all of that just starting to sound too crazy for ya?
I mean you want to save women and children with your life, and yet you don't want anything to do with them because only women can give birth of children. So here I am, suggesting you with a crazy idea about how your passion in life can change the world. But you took it up to a whole new level of crazy-town with that pessimistic attitude of yours.
Therefore do you real want help when you don't need it? Or are you in need of help with something that you didn't want?
I don't care if anyone else has children or how they raise them that's not my businesses i just don't want any nor do i want to throw my useless DNA into the genetic pool, I have to many mental health problems and I do not want my children to go through what i have gone through in my life nor do I want them to suffer how I have in life like I have. If that's crazy then yeah sorry I should have said have said that sooner.
I don't care much for my own genes either. You and I are the same in that respect. We both know that our seed doesn't need to be spread. If anything, it would be nice to genetically engineer our own children to be superior. Artificial evolution! Or you can just legally adopt a child.
Jiggalo wrote:
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This TEDIndia presentation called "Kiran Bir Sethi teaches kids to take charge", had really reaffirmed my hope in humanity.
I mean take a good look at these children, who'll stop at nothing with their passion about changing the world for the better through free play.
Now take a hard look at ourselves, and ask each of us just what can we learn about these children? Who have taught us with their contagious passion. Are we really doing the right thing to our future generation? When instead of empowering our children with our passions, we're passing onto them our desperation, depression, and despair!
Therefore I want to hear about how we can empower our children with what we're passionate about. And for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life.
For better or worst, we are still undeniably the change we want to see in our world. And to those who are ignorant about this aspect of our humanity; shame on you.
It's nice to see a group of young people doing something. A group is always better than just one brilliant person with an idea. The best contagion is a good influence. Disease never helped anything, and disease comes in numerous forms. Mental disease is truly the worst. Hey, I'm the one here with this crazy idea of a topic while I try to make it works. So the fact that even I can have a girlfriend who wants to have our babe should at least be a sign that you can do better. While you're still younger than me.
Yei wrote:
This kind of reminds me of "We Day," here in Canada. That was more inspiring to me than this, but this is still nice to see. The different is that we Canadians didn't empower our own children to focus on our own problems in Canada. Otherwise I would've known about this "We Day" not by watching Canadian television as some sort of entertainment, because I don't watch entertainment programs on my TV.
I guess because I spent so much time worrying about failing that my passion went with it, but the funny thing is that I still passed in the end. Isn't life funny? I guess I should have more confidence in my intelligence, but I could care less about what you think you know about me, especially over the computer...eh, whatever.
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This was a very powerful presentation.
It could be that children in their naivety are still capable to face this world with the right support. As a child you tend to perceive things differently, I know I did.
Certainly, in most instances children are being underestimated in their capabilities to contribute to this world. It starts with the simple gibberish "But he's just a child." And with statements like these we're indirectly undermining the potentials of the youth. I don't know how I could empower children with my passion since I lack that critical part, and I would say that this is absolutely negligible in this illustration, I'd rather offer my support. I could imagine that we'd do them a big favour by giving them more opportunities to express themselves, and to give their ideas, and passions the chance to be transformed into something palpable without being thrown away just because they're "just children".
Children are already full of passion, curiosity, and interests, and all we need to do is give them the right support and opportunity to bring these things to fruition.
In that video, I felt like this wasn't so much about giving children passion. I sensed it more as a form of giving those children FINALLY the opportunity to express themselves, to show their potential without being stalled by adults, without being told "But you're just kids.".  |
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LosingOrbit wrote:
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Just another group of kids wanting to change the world, like I haven't seen that before.
But how? How did the children managed to succeed in where the adults had failed? That is what you didn't see, because you lack passion in whatever that you do with your life.
Lack passion, huh?
Sir, do you know what emptiness feels like? To no longer have the will to live? For a long time, I've had to push myself constantly just to keep going forward, for that is my will. I refuse to give up and I constantly fight obstacles to reach my goals everyday. You have no idea of my current situation and hell if I'm going to sit back and let you or anyone else say otherwise. Lack of passion? I'm full of passion! I'm the definition of fucking passion! Everyday I just emit it!
I'm sorry, I just needed to get that out..been a long week. That GED pre-test just took a lot out of me.
So now we go on to where the children managed to succeed in where the adults had failed?
Well, I guess it's because someone actually took the time to teach children to reach their goals in life while they're young and I guess a lot of these adults haven't been taught that. Perhaps I was too quick on sharing my intuition. However my initial intuition about your momentary lack of passion is still correct. So fair enough.
And your point about the GED pre-test drained you of your passion is very interesting. For it's a possibility that the teachers' unjustified expectation about the GED could somehow be the cause of your wanton fear at failing the GED.
Just like Sir Ken Robinson had mentioned how we're educating people out of their creative capacity in school, by stigmatizing them when they're wrong. And how Tim Ferriss had demonstrated how by smashing our fear, we can learn anything just by us doing them right in principles. The problem with our education is the fact that it's not a learning strategy that's specifically designed for just about any individual, when it's a pubic system that's benefiting no one in particular. And what's worst, they're slacking off by them only focusing their teaching resources on some out of the 8 multiple types of intelligence, while those who just happened to be good at somethings else obviously fell through the cracks of this bias system because of it.
I guess because I spent so much time worrying about failing that my passion went with it, but the funny thing is that I still passed in the end. Isn't life funny? I guess I should have more confidence in my intelligence, but I could care less about what you think you know about me, especially over the computer...eh, whatever.
It's not about what I think of you, but how much I know about our education, our society, and how their impressions are having what effects on our children.
It is therefore critical of you to have confidence in your own intelligence(s), for they will be the skills and tools that you'll need to obtain true wisdom through your experiences and feelings. And not just from your knowledge and age, when they don't guarantee real maturity.
But then we must ask ourselves this: we of the adults who represent the educators and the citizens of our society, do we really have the same independent confidences in our own individual maturities? When we should possess the cognitive intelligent and clear vision that our children need, in order for us to show them how to have confidence with their own talents.
And this I say no, we didn't. Instead of continuing our own individual lessons in our life, we stopped challenging our own independent intellects. Simply by us relying on authority figures not granted by us, but by an academic system that has no idea how to measure the human concept of a passionate life.
And thus, just like how you could easily dismiss a machine with no passion in life. You ignored my message as well as my person altogether, because it's so easy for you to downplay an emotionless machine.
I'll bet the next thing you would suggest to me is somewhat like the "don't be so judgmental" line, but that's what a responsible and mature adult has to do. For I have to judge everything in order to justify my own actions, otherwise there will be no justice in the first order: myself.
ShroomInferno wrote:
This was a very powerful presentation.
It could be that children in their naivety are still capable to face this world with the right support. As a child you tend to perceive things differently, I know I did.
Certainly, in most instances children are being underestimated in their capabilities to contribute to this world. It starts with the simple gibberish "But he's just a child." And with statements like these we're indirectly undermining the potentials of the youth. I don't know how I could empower children with my passion since I lack that critical part, and I would say that this is absolutely negligible in this illustration, I'd rather offer my support. I could imagine that we'd do them a big favour by giving them more opportunities to express themselves, and to give their ideas, and passions the chance to be transformed into something palpable without being thrown away just because they're "just children".
Children are already full of passion, curiosity, and interests, and all we need to do is give them the right support and opportunity to bring these things to fruition.
In that video, I felt like this wasn't so much about giving children passion. I sensed it more as a form of giving those children FINALLY the opportunity to express themselves, to show their potential without being stalled by adults, without being told "But you're just kids.". And that's the "changing the world through free play" part that I mentioned in my original post. Because just look at how simply marvelous the concept is; by enabling the chilren to freely express their concerns about the world, they empowered themselves to enable others, while their passion was retained by them transforming the whole process as play: fun for all ages.
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Just another group of kids wanting to change the world, like I haven't seen that before.
But how? How did the children managed to succeed in where the adults had failed? That is what you didn't see, because you lack passion in whatever that you do with your life.
Lack passion, huh?
Sir, do you know what emptiness feels like? To no longer have the will to live? For a long time, I've had to push myself constantly just to keep going forward, for that is my will. I refuse to give up and I constantly fight obstacles to reach my goals everyday. You have no idea of my current situation and hell if I'm going to sit back and let you or anyone else say otherwise. Lack of passion? I'm full of passion! I'm the definition of fucking passion! Everyday I just emit it!
I'm sorry, I just needed to get that out..been a long week. That GED pre-test just took a lot out of me.
So now we go on to where the children managed to succeed in where the adults had failed?
Well, I guess it's because someone actually took the time to teach children to reach their goals in life while they're young and I guess a lot of these adults haven't been taught that. Perhaps I was too quick on sharing my intuition. However my initial intuition about your momentary lack of passion is still correct. So fair enough.
And your point about the GED pre-test drained you of your passion is very interesting. For it's a possibility that the teachers' unjustified expectation about the GED could somehow be the cause of your wanton fear at failing the GED.
Just like Sir Ken Robinson had mentioned how we're educating people out of their creative capacity in school, by stigmatizing them when they're wrong. And how Tim Ferriss had demonstrated how by smashing our fear, we can learn anything just by us doing them right in principles. The problem with our education is the fact that it's not a learning strategy that's specifically designed for just about any individual, when it's a pubic system that's benefiting no one in particular. And what's worst, they're slacking off by them only focusing their teaching resources on some out of the 8 multiple types of intelligence, while those who just happened to be good at somethings else obviously fell through the cracks of this bias system because of it.
CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
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sure dom every little child can change the world as much as child can grow up and be anything they want to be if they have enough hope and passion BULL SHIT and I am speaking from experience of course I wanted to college i really did but that would have cost me 500,000 dollars to go with loans not to mention how much interest i would have had to pay an 9% that would be tacked on every year so yeah... If you have money all your dreams can come true. It's time to stop lying to kids and tell that most will not be doctors or dentists just go on and expect the fact that you will be a clerk at some retail store or cop which is okay i suppose for those who have a dream in doing that. Now I seem to recall my latter part of this discussion is "for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life".
Therefore would you say that the reason you didn't pursuit your life's passion, was because you couldn't afford to go to college and study it? Well then what's stopping you from turning that passion of your into your hobby or interest? That way you can experiment with your passion on your own.
And unless you're passionate about you whining and complaining, which is really no different than you passing "desperation, depression, and despair". No children in their right mind would play with you. While I can't put you down any lower than you've already did so to yourself. I wanted to be a doctor and well i understand it but it's the fact that never in my life I will ever obtain it so it makes me sad i am pessimistic about life and your optimistic that that is the main difference between us and I don't any think any of us are going to change anytime soon
Then can you turn that into your passion in life? Something like "your purpose in life is to prevent people from having children, because you're passionate about a world without children" if you will. You can use your knowledge and interest in medical technology, to empower those around you about the harmful health risks at them having children. Or did all of that just starting to sound too crazy for ya?
I mean you want to save women and children with your life, and yet you don't want anything to do with them because only women can give birth of children. So here I am, suggesting you with a crazy idea about how your passion in life can change the world. But you took it up to a whole new level of crazy-town with that pessimistic attitude of yours.
Therefore do you real want help when you don't need it? Or are you in need of help with something that you didn't want?
I don't care if anyone else has children or how they raise them that's not my businesses i just don't want any nor do i want to throw my useless DNA into the genetic pool, I have to many mental health problems and I do not want my children to go through what i have gone through in my life nor do I want them to suffer how I have in life like I have. If that's crazy then yeah sorry I should have said have said that sooner. Look, I know you had it bad with your own childhood. And you don't want others ended up suffering the same like you did because of it. But those who are still optimistic regardless of their own bad experiences, due to their childhood sufferings and the hands of others, are advocating a better life for all children. Simply by them raising public awareness on how seriously damaging that child abuse can really be, and what form of behaviors are to considered as child abuse.
Therefore regardless of your genes or your DNA, the fact that you're still alive is the prove that you still got some passion left within you. Otherwise I wouldn't have entitled this discussion with the headline "Passion is Life-Changingly Contagious".
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sure dom every little child can change the world as much as child can grow up and be anything they want to be if they have enough hope and passion BULL SHIT and I am speaking from experience of course I wanted to college i really did but that would have cost me 500,000 dollars to go with loans not to mention how much interest i would have had to pay an 9% that would be tacked on every year so yeah... If you have money all your dreams can come true. It's time to stop lying to kids and tell that most will not be doctors or dentists just go on and expect the fact that you will be a clerk at some retail store or cop which is okay i suppose for those who have a dream in doing that. Now I seem to recall my latter part of this discussion is "for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life".
Therefore would you say that the reason you didn't pursuit your life's passion, was because you couldn't afford to go to college and study it? Well then what's stopping you from turning that passion of your into your hobby or interest? That way you can experiment with your passion on your own.
And unless you're passionate about you whining and complaining, which is really no different than you passing "desperation, depression, and despair". No children in their right mind would play with you. While I can't put you down any lower than you've already did so to yourself. I wanted to be a doctor and well i understand it but it's the fact that never in my life I will ever obtain it so it makes me sad i am pessimistic about life and your optimistic that that is the main difference between us and I don't any think any of us are going to change anytime soon
Then can you turn that into your passion in life? Something like "your purpose in life is to prevent people from having children, because you're passionate about a world without children" if you will. You can use your knowledge and interest in medical technology, to empower those around you about the harmful health risks at them having children. Or did all of that just starting to sound too crazy for ya?
I mean you want to save women and children with your life, and yet you don't want anything to do with them because only women can give birth of children. So here I am, suggesting you with a crazy idea about how your passion in life can change the world. But you took it up to a whole new level of crazy-town with that pessimistic attitude of yours.
Therefore do you real want help when you don't need it? Or are you in need of help with something that you didn't want?
I don't care if anyone else has children or how they raise them that's not my businesses i just don't want any nor do i want to throw my useless DNA into the genetic pool, I have to many mental health problems and I do not want my children to go through what i have gone through in my life nor do I want them to suffer how I have in life like I have. If that's crazy then yeah sorry I should have said have said that sooner.
I don't care much for my own genes either. You and I are the same in that respect. We both know that our seed doesn't need to be spread. If anything, it would be nice to genetically engineer our own children to be superior. Artificial evolution! Or you can just legally adopt a child.
Jiggalo wrote:
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This TEDIndia presentation called "Kiran Bir Sethi teaches kids to take charge", had really reaffirmed my hope in humanity.
I mean take a good look at these children, who'll stop at nothing with their passion about changing the world for the better through free play.
Now take a hard look at ourselves, and ask each of us just what can we learn about these children? Who have taught us with their contagious passion. Are we really doing the right thing to our future generation? When instead of empowering our children with our passions, we're passing onto them our desperation, depression, and despair!
Therefore I want to hear about how we can empower our children with what we're passionate about. And for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life.
For better or worst, we are still undeniably the change we want to see in our world. And to those who are ignorant about this aspect of our humanity; shame on you.
It's nice to see a group of young people doing something. A group is always better than just one brilliant person with an idea. The best contagion is a good influence. Disease never helped anything, and disease comes in numerous forms. Mental disease is truly the worst. Hey, I'm the one here with this crazy idea of a topic while I try to make it works. So the fact that even I can have a girlfriend who wants to have our babe should at least be a sign that you can do better. While you're still younger than me.
Yei wrote:
This kind of reminds me of "We Day," here in Canada. That was more inspiring to me than this, but this is still nice to see. The different is that we Canadians didn't empower our own children to focus on our own problems in Canada. Otherwise I would've known about this "We Day" not by watching Canadian television as some sort of entertainment, because I don't watch entertainment programs on my TV.
Adoption isn't something I look towards. I can't trust myself in that situation nor do I believe in it genuinely completing the great circle of life. Also, I didn't mean that what you are doing here has no significance compared to a group, Dom. I only pointed out that it is good when like-minded people come together for the same cause. There are numerous instances of this happening. And yes, we can all do better while we have the time. Me especially. There are never excuses for someone not undertaking a path of self-improvement when they know all too well that they are potentially very capable of it. We can only be cowards for so long before it become too late to act.
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sure dom every little child can change the world as much as child can grow up and be anything they want to be if they have enough hope and passion BULL SHIT and I am speaking from experience of course I wanted to college i really did but that would have cost me 500,000 dollars to go with loans not to mention how much interest i would have had to pay an 9% that would be tacked on every year so yeah... If you have money all your dreams can come true. It's time to stop lying to kids and tell that most will not be doctors or dentists just go on and expect the fact that you will be a clerk at some retail store or cop which is okay i suppose for those who have a dream in doing that. Now I seem to recall my latter part of this discussion is "for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life".
Therefore would you say that the reason you didn't pursuit your life's passion, was because you couldn't afford to go to college and study it? Well then what's stopping you from turning that passion of your into your hobby or interest? That way you can experiment with your passion on your own.
And unless you're passionate about you whining and complaining, which is really no different than you passing "desperation, depression, and despair". No children in their right mind would play with you. While I can't put you down any lower than you've already did so to yourself. I wanted to be a doctor and well i understand it but it's the fact that never in my life I will ever obtain it so it makes me sad i am pessimistic about life and your optimistic that that is the main difference between us and I don't any think any of us are going to change anytime soon
Then can you turn that into your passion in life? Something like "your purpose in life is to prevent people from having children, because you're passionate about a world without children" if you will. You can use your knowledge and interest in medical technology, to empower those around you about the harmful health risks at them having children. Or did all of that just starting to sound too crazy for ya?
I mean you want to save women and children with your life, and yet you don't want anything to do with them because only women can give birth of children. So here I am, suggesting you with a crazy idea about how your passion in life can change the world. But you took it up to a whole new level of crazy-town with that pessimistic attitude of yours.
Therefore do you real want help when you don't need it? Or are you in need of help with something that you didn't want?
I don't care if anyone else has children or how they raise them that's not my businesses i just don't want any nor do i want to throw my useless DNA into the genetic pool, I have to many mental health problems and I do not want my children to go through what i have gone through in my life nor do I want them to suffer how I have in life like I have. If that's crazy then yeah sorry I should have said have said that sooner.
I don't care much for my own genes either. You and I are the same in that respect. We both know that our seed doesn't need to be spread. If anything, it would be nice to genetically engineer our own children to be superior. Artificial evolution! Or you can just legally adopt a child.
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This TEDIndia presentation called "Kiran Bir Sethi teaches kids to take charge", had really reaffirmed my hope in humanity.
I mean take a good look at these children, who'll stop at nothing with their passion about changing the world for the better through free play.
Now take a hard look at ourselves, and ask each of us just what can we learn about these children? Who have taught us with their contagious passion. Are we really doing the right thing to our future generation? When instead of empowering our children with our passions, we're passing onto them our desperation, depression, and despair!
Therefore I want to hear about how we can empower our children with what we're passionate about. And for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life.
For better or worst, we are still undeniably the change we want to see in our world. And to those who are ignorant about this aspect of our humanity; shame on you.
It's nice to see a group of young people doing something. A group is always better than just one brilliant person with an idea. The best contagion is a good influence. Disease never helped anything, and disease comes in numerous forms. Mental disease is truly the worst. Hey, I'm the one here with this crazy idea of a topic while I try to make it works. So the fact that even I can have a girlfriend who wants to have our babe should at least be a sign that you can do better. While you're still younger than me.
Adoption isn't something I look towards. I can't trust myself in that situation nor do I believe in it genuinely completing the great circle of life. Also, I didn't mean that what you are doing here has no significance compared to a group, Dom. I only pointed out that it is good when like-minded people come together for the same cause. There are numerous instances of this happening. And yes, we can all do better while we have the time. Me especially. There are never excuses for someone not undertaking a path of self-improvement when they know all too well that they are potentially very capable of it. We can only be cowards for so long before it become to late to act. But this is the beauty of this discussion; I want unlike-minded people to also find their own cause in their life, so they can be passionate about them empowering a world of change with their self-improvements.
We can live proudly even when we're only focus on improving ourselves through our own efforts, for that's the path that will invoke us to become strong individuals. And even then I have a framework for strong individuals to contribute towards our society, because I have a hypothesis that "while the public need to be challenged by them meeting new standards, it takes strong individuals to challenge the status quo. That's why when individuals stop being challenged, the human society as a whole stop evolving towards the next evolution".
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sure dom every little child can change the world as much as child can grow up and be anything they want to be if they have enough hope and passion BULL SHIT and I am speaking from experience of course I wanted to college i really did but that would have cost me 500,000 dollars to go with loans not to mention how much interest i would have had to pay an 9% that would be tacked on every year so yeah... If you have money all your dreams can come true. It's time to stop lying to kids and tell that most will not be doctors or dentists just go on and expect the fact that you will be a clerk at some retail store or cop which is okay i suppose for those who have a dream in doing that. Now I seem to recall my latter part of this discussion is "for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life".
Therefore would you say that the reason you didn't pursuit your life's passion, was because you couldn't afford to go to college and study it? Well then what's stopping you from turning that passion of your into your hobby or interest? That way you can experiment with your passion on your own.
And unless you're passionate about you whining and complaining, which is really no different than you passing "desperation, depression, and despair". No children in their right mind would play with you. While I can't put you down any lower than you've already did so to yourself. I wanted to be a doctor and well i understand it but it's the fact that never in my life I will ever obtain it so it makes me sad i am pessimistic about life and your optimistic that that is the main difference between us and I don't any think any of us are going to change anytime soon
Then can you turn that into your passion in life? Something like "your purpose in life is to prevent people from having children, because you're passionate about a world without children" if you will. You can use your knowledge and interest in medical technology, to empower those around you about the harmful health risks at them having children. Or did all of that just starting to sound too crazy for ya?
I mean you want to save women and children with your life, and yet you don't want anything to do with them because only women can give birth of children. So here I am, suggesting you with a crazy idea about how your passion in life can change the world. But you took it up to a whole new level of crazy-town with that pessimistic attitude of yours.
Therefore do you real want help when you don't need it? Or are you in need of help with something that you didn't want?
I don't care if anyone else has children or how they raise them that's not my businesses i just don't want any nor do i want to throw my useless DNA into the genetic pool, I have to many mental health problems and I do not want my children to go through what i have gone through in my life nor do I want them to suffer how I have in life like I have. If that's crazy then yeah sorry I should have said have said that sooner.
I don't care much for my own genes either. You and I are the same in that respect. We both know that our seed doesn't need to be spread. If anything, it would be nice to genetically engineer our own children to be superior. Artificial evolution! Or you can just legally adopt a child.
Jiggalo wrote:
Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote:
This TEDIndia presentation called "Kiran Bir Sethi teaches kids to take charge", had really reaffirmed my hope in humanity.
I mean take a good look at these children, who'll stop at nothing with their passion about changing the world for the better through free play.
Now take a hard look at ourselves, and ask each of us just what can we learn about these children? Who have taught us with their contagious passion. Are we really doing the right thing to our future generation? When instead of empowering our children with our passions, we're passing onto them our desperation, depression, and despair!
Therefore I want to hear about how we can empower our children with what we're passionate about. And for those who can't seem to visualize their life's passion, I want to talk about the possibilities of them discovering their true passions in life.
For better or worst, we are still undeniably the change we want to see in our world. And to those who are ignorant about this aspect of our humanity; shame on you.
It's nice to see a group of young people doing something. A group is always better than just one brilliant person with an idea. The best contagion is a good influence. Disease never helped anything, and disease comes in numerous forms. Mental disease is truly the worst. Hey, I'm the one here with this crazy idea of a topic while I try to make it works. So the fact that even I can have a girlfriend who wants to have our babe should at least be a sign that you can do better. While you're still younger than me.
Adoption isn't something I look towards. I can't trust myself in that situation nor do I believe in it genuinely completing the great circle of life. Also, I didn't mean that what you are doing here has no significance compared to a group, Dom. I only pointed out that it is good when like-minded people come together for the same cause. There are numerous instances of this happening. And yes, we can all do better while we have the time. Me especially. There are never excuses for someone not undertaking a path of self-improvement when they know all too well that they are potentially very capable of it. We can only be cowards for so long before it become to late to act. But this is the beauty of this discussion; I want unlike-minded people to also find their own cause in their life, so they can be passionate about them empowering a world of change with their self-improvements.
We can live proudly even when we're only focus on improving ourselves through our own efforts, for that's the path that will invoke us to become strong individuals. And even then I have a framework for strong individuals to contribute towards our society, because I have a hypothesis that "while the public need to be challenged by them meeting new standards, it takes strong individuals to challenge the status quo. That's why when individuals stop being challenged, the human society as a whole stop evolving towards the next evolution".
The status quo is always in need of being challenged to improve. The status quo should be one where nearly everyone is always looking ahead and striving towards a better tomorrow, even if improvement is at a snail's pace. When we do bring people together with different views and get them to cooperate, it makes for some incredible outcomes. Worlds link together and life flourishes. Hope arises and darkness shrinks away for a time. Whether we rise or fall, the stage of life is beyond any playwright's greatest work. I for one prefer to rise since I have seen what falling gets you; a whole lot of nothing good. We can look to those who've fallen for an example of what not to do.
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Quite a interesting topic I see. It's wonderful to see children pursue something like that. [edit later cause I'm having writer's block lol] :/
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Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree.
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Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
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DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse.
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_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.
It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. ( citation).
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DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.
It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. ( citation).
That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used.
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_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.
It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. ( citation).
That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. I'm saying there's no passion in only obeying what an individual desires. For freedom is the vehicle to dignify humanity from human desire; the individual human will to end the enslaving of originality, creativity, and individuality, from the many wasteful and unnecessary addictions of the society's unnatural pull and desire.
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DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.
It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. ( citation).
That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. I'm saying there's no passion in only obeying what an individual desires. For freedom is the vehicle to dignify humanity from human desire; the individual human will to end the enslaving of originality, creativity, and individuality, from the many wasteful and unnecessary addictions of the society's unnatural pull and desire.
Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first.
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_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
_Wasenshi_ wrote:
Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. Then don't mind that I do.
There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy.
Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. That's the irrationality! When the nature of human desire is for them to prefer the easy task, while there's no doubt about the passion of those individuals with the will to do the hard task.
It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. ( citation).
That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. I'm saying there's no passion in only obeying what an individual desires. For freedom is the vehicle to dignify humanity from human desire; the individual human will to end the enslaving of originality, creativity, and individuality, from the many wasteful and unnecessary addictions of the society's unnatural pull and desire.
Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. I'm saying that science can analyze human behavioral patterns to the point that I can quantify what's passion from addiction, what's freedom from madness, and what's altruism from entitlement.
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