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DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. |
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_Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- |
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Strong enough for men, made for women. Anything less will be uncivilized.
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DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. |
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_Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. |
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DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! |
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_Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. |
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DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to aks you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? |
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_Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to ask you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? I see human beings are individually capable of intrinsically being truthful, honest, and therefore trustworthy. However for the longest time humanity had been compromised, due to the human society is collectively allowing the human specie to extrinsically desiring lies, deceptions, and thereby despicable, IMO. This is why in order for me to change the current state of humanity being compromised, I need to show both the human individuals and the human society the reality of what they have become. My personal view about our world notwithstanding, it's what I want to do with it due to who I am, that's going to change the world. |
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DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to ask you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? I see human beings are individually capable of intrinsically being truthful, honest, and therefore trustworthy. However for the longest time humanity had been compromised, due to the human society is collectively allowing the human specie to extrinsically desiring lies, deceptions, and thereby despicable, IMO. This is why in order for me to change the current state of humanity being compromised, I need to show both the human individuals and the human society the reality of what they have become. My personal view about our world notwithstanding, it's what I want to do with it due to who I am, that's going to change the world. I see...I believe that in order for any of that change to happen people need to stop being so blind, only willing to see the world through their own little window, so many people are like that, ignorance, blind faith, arrogance, all these poisons that exist in the human existence poison people's minds, we are all subject to that, you and me included. To move as a single being while retaining our individuality and independence, that perfect balance is what I would strive to create in a utopian society. I am many things, an altruist, a transcendentalist, an individualist, etc. I have drawn parts from all these ideas into one way of thinking. I believe that balance might be the answer to saving hummanity, so If giving the opprutunity I would do to society what I've done in my own mind, combine them into a single entity working together to achieve an alike goal, but of course without sacrificing any individualism. |
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_Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to ask you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? I see human beings are individually capable of intrinsically being truthful, honest, and therefore trustworthy. However for the longest time humanity had been compromised, due to the human society is collectively allowing the human specie to extrinsically desiring lies, deceptions, and thereby despicable, IMO. This is why in order for me to change the current state of humanity being compromised, I need to show both the human individuals and the human society the reality of what they have become. My personal view about our world notwithstanding, it's what I want to do with it due to who I am, that's going to change the world. I see...I believe that in order for any of that change to happen people need to stop being so blind, only willing to see the world through their own little window, so many people are like that, ignorance, blind faith, arrogance, all these poisons that exist in the human existence poison people's minds, we are all subject to that, you and me included. To move as a single being while retaining our individuality and independence, that perfect balance is what I would strive to create in a utopian society. I am many things, an altruist, a transcendentalist, an individualist, etc. I have drawn parts from all these ideas into one way of thinking. I believe that balance might be the answer to saving hummanity, so If giving the opprutunity I would do to society what I've done in my own mind, combine them into a single entity working together to achieve an alike goal, but of course without sacrificing any individualism. |
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DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to ask you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? I see human beings are individually capable of intrinsically being truthful, honest, and therefore trustworthy. However for the longest time humanity had been compromised, due to the human society is collectively allowing the human specie to extrinsically desiring lies, deceptions, and thereby despicable, IMO. This is why in order for me to change the current state of humanity being compromised, I need to show both the human individuals and the human society the reality of what they have become. My personal view about our world notwithstanding, it's what I want to do with it due to who I am, that's going to change the world. I see...I believe that in order for any of that change to happen people need to stop being so blind, only willing to see the world through their own little window, so many people are like that, ignorance, blind faith, arrogance, all these poisons that exist in the human existence poison people's minds, we are all subject to that, you and me included. To move as a single being while retaining our individuality and independence, that perfect balance is what I would strive to create in a utopian society. I am many things, an altruist, a transcendentalist, an individualist, etc. I have drawn parts from all these ideas into one way of thinking. I believe that balance might be the answer to saving hummanity, so If giving the opprutunity I would do to society what I've done in my own mind, combine them into a single entity working together to achieve an alike goal, but of course without sacrificing any individualism. Imprisonment? All I want is for people to think for others as well as themselves and for people to live in harmony with each other without war or hatred over pointless things like religion. . .I know what I said in the previous comment is an impossiblity...as long as people put what they want above what their fellow humans need things cannot improve. Look at all the celebrities who buy million dollar vacation homes and sports cars while children all over the world die of starvation, that is the reality of human selfishness and their self centered existences! There are plenty of good hearted people who sacrifice for the sake of others they are the true heros of this world, but there are not enough people like that in this world. |
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_Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: DomFortress wrote: _Wasenshi_ wrote: Passion can be extremely powerful but extremely dangerous as well, If great people like Martin Luther King Jr. had never had passion where would the Civil Rights movement had gone? Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to ask you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? I see human beings are individually capable of intrinsically being truthful, honest, and therefore trustworthy. However for the longest time humanity had been compromised, due to the human society is collectively allowing the human specie to extrinsically desiring lies, deceptions, and thereby despicable, IMO. This is why in order for me to change the current state of humanity being compromised, I need to show both the human individuals and the human society the reality of what they have become. My personal view about our world notwithstanding, it's what I want to do with it due to who I am, that's going to change the world. I see...I believe that in order for any of that change to happen people need to stop being so blind, only willing to see the world through their own little window, so many people are like that, ignorance, blind faith, arrogance, all these poisons that exist in the human existence poison people's minds, we are all subject to that, you and me included. To move as a single being while retaining our individuality and independence, that perfect balance is what I would strive to create in a utopian society. I am many things, an altruist, a transcendentalist, an individualist, etc. I have drawn parts from all these ideas into one way of thinking. I believe that balance might be the answer to saving hummanity, so If giving the opprutunity I would do to society what I've done in my own mind, combine them into a single entity working together to achieve an alike goal, but of course without sacrificing any individualism. Imprisonment? All I want is for people to think for others as well as themselves and for people to live in harmony with each other without war or hatred over pointless things like religion. . .I know what I said in the previous comment is an impossiblity...as long as people put what they want above what their fellow humans need things cannot improve. Look at all the celebrities who buy million dollar vacation homes and sports cars while children all over the world die of starvation, that is the reality of human selfishness and their self centered existences! There are plenty of good hearted people who sacrifice for the sake of others they are the true heros of this world, but there are not enough people like that in this world. For example, those "celebrities", aka socialites, had long forgotten their individual self worth. When they didn't raise social awareness with their actions not because they were willing, but because the lifestyle incentivizes them with more publicity and more opportunity of themselves at the spotlight. In other words, they were made and conditioned into a mentality of narcissistic personality disorder, by the very society that allows fame and fortune to be desirable. |
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Everything has been bulit on the back of passion (and other factors) wether it's passion to create a great society, passion to liberate, passion to drive oursleves further. Without passion we would go through life never ascending to anything beyond what we are now because what would be the point? Why try to push oursleves harder? We need that fire in our eyes to burn and move us forward. However passion can be used for bad purposes too, obviously. Look at Hitler's passion in his views against jews and anyone not of the ayran race. People can have ignorant and evil views and combined with the passion to impact the world events such as the Holocaust, Rwanda, and various other genocides will contiune to happen. Of course passion is only one of many factors that plays a role in such events. So to conclude my ramblings, we need passion we just need to know where the limit is or else that passion will consume us and we could become ignorant to anything else but our burning passions. Those are my views on passion feel free to disagree. There's a difference between individuals willingly did what's hard, as to those who were blindly obeying the social norms. When there's no passion in one doing what's easy. Even if what you are trying to acomplish is easy to grasp it does not mean you have no passion for that, passion is a strong fondness, emthusiasm, or desire for something. So just because something is easy to accoplish does not mean you would have no passion to see it become reality. Passion can posion people just like any strong force, like religion, greed, etc. If you let a passion consume you to the point it is all you think about it is easy to overlook anyone that may get hurt by that passion. So passion is a great thing to have It just need to be handled with great care because it is a rather easy concept to abuse. It's therefore easy to conquer the world with superior firepower and high tech weaponry. But the madness that is the desire for power over the collective, is totally different than the passion that is the will to empower the individuals. For the former is an individual's entitlement/desire for irresponsibility and irrationality, while the latter is the individual's will/choice of a responsibly and rationally altruistic self. (citation). That is using passion responsibly and for a good cause, but are you implying that passion is always used for only good? The way you are talking makes it seem like you fail to see the danger that can exist in passion. You would agree passion is a powerful force no? Well any powerful force comes with it's own danger, and I never said passion alone can be used as a weapon but mixed with other factors it can become a dangerous mix, it all depends on how and for what it is being used. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I agree with what you said and I see truth in both our arguements, I would never just stick blindly to my own belifes, I perfer to incorpertae them with concepts gathered from every person I debate with, while you may not agree with me you should not just throw aside my arguements without giving them some consideration first. Well since I undertand that concept as well I guess there is nothing left for us to debate, unless you have something more you'd like to discuss on passion. I never said science was easy, that was quite the random topic change. Therefore while you tried to convince and confront me with your subjective view on passion, you forgot that it had always been the nature of humanity itself that's ultimately what's at stake. When human passion is only a part of human will, just like how human madness is a part of human desire. Who says I forgot that? and I never tried to convince you, I could care less about doing that I was simply stating my opinion, I will continue to believe what I believe no matter how many people come along and attempt to force their views down my throat. I don't even think you understood what I was saying to begin with, you put a lot of words into my mouth and seemed to convince yourself that I was taking a certain stand against what you were saying. Oh well if that is what you choose to believe about me then so be it. If you're right, then we as humans are a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will. That as long as we believe in something, there's no way to change our mind based on what we believe in. Even though that something is but a lie. Did I ever say I thought like that? You need to stop lying to yourself about how I think. "a collective group mind with no independent thought process nor free will"??? That concept disgust me do you really think that is how I view humanity? If that was the reality of humanity we'd be nothing but nations of slaves. If humanity ever becomes like that I would just give up on our pathetic species right then. I value independent thought and free will more then most anything, if we didn't have people that broke away form social norms and thought independently of those around them where would we be today, we'd still think the world was flat and the center of the universe, that's where. If someone wants to sit down with me and debate or discuss something with me I will do so happily and try to draw from what they are saying and, if they have a strong enough argument I might just be swayed to there side of thinking (though they'd have to work hard to convince me to their argument) however when someone comes along and attempts to force me to see things there way I am naturally going to resist them, that is human nature to resist any force attempting to control us and force us into any course action or thought. If someone came and tried to force you to live a certain way that you did not agree with would you not fight against them? That is all I meant by that quote. Just keep in mind that there are individuals who can do so on an inverted scale proportion, and that's because they have a stronger will that's fit to adapt and adopt, AKA to change. Basically yes, being swayed by the masses rarely ever ends in a positive way after all. I just abhor the idea of anyone forcing others to see things their way or live according to their rules, to me it is the ultimate rape of our freedom. However then again I suppose that raises the question that if by doing the aforementioned it leads to a better quality of life for those people is it ok then? If your forcing people for their own sake does that make it ok? I apoligize if I am continuing the coversation and you want it to end, I just don't like only looking at one side of any argument, and I like to question the world around me. And when natural science can explain moral and ethic values scientifically with natural facts. I think wellness lifestyle can very well be the moral choice that will have universal value, and it's a value that's quantifiable. By natural and experimental science with its method of observing and experimenting human nature. As a biological mechanism with measurable cause and consequence. Furthermore, this knowledge can very well be the blueprint for designing a new society, based on what naturally humanity is as human positivity. This subsequently means religions are loosing their value worth to the natural science's method of questioning dogmatic religious practices. Music to my ears! I always look for scientific, rational, or logical ways to explain things, however I am, to a certain degree, open-minded toward religious ideas, I am an atheist so I don't believe in any of it but I always have that "There is a possibilty I'm wrong" thought in the back of my head. I would love to see more people turning towards rationality in their thoughts and actions but I'll never criticise someone for sticking to their religious beliefs, after all I'm only one small human amonst amongst 7 billion, what right do I have to say what is the truth of the world I can only, like everyone else, speculate towards what is the truth. However when you look at all the science proving evolution and other non-religious idea there is certainly a stronger arguement for that side. It's not a fear it's a control, a means of ensuring I keep a level head and never get too full of myself or my beliefs, it is a personal way to keep my mind balanced. "The trick to control and regulate isn't prevention nor oppression. But rather is direction and flow" -By me- I like that quote it speaks a lot of truth, however there is one thing wrong with what you said, there is no fear in me, someone who has no fear is a fool so I guess in that aspect I am very foolish indeed, but I am greatly displeased with the world right now and if I intend to grow up and make any sort of positive impact on it's improvement then there is no place for fear to exist in me. And a true scientist is not afraid to admit that there's still something that's yet to know about, that's why the individual also isn't afraid to seek out that which isn't known to. In that sense a scientist is a knowledge seeker, who seeks out the knowable with all of the known available senses aimed toward the experience, that includes the cognitive sense. In other words, when an individual denies the existence of the experience, he or she is no longer being positive. Positive huh? I would not call my view of the world as positive, I am deeply disapointed with hummanity and frankly I don't see much hope for our species, but still I've yet to completly give up on us, I believe every human is born with the power to change the world, some in a positive way, others in a negative way and some more than others, most people abandon that power and shirk their responsibilities, that is why their is so much wrong with the world, people are greedy, selfish creatures, I watched my own mother die as a result of the greed of the human race, so in reality what is the usefulness of all that we have discussed if it is used by a doomed species? Will people ever come to their senses? No! there will contiune to be war, murder, hate, people will contiune to die because others did not lend a helping hand when they could have, I will do all I came as a human to change the world in a positive way but it is going to make a lot more than one man to save this world and everyone on it. That is my view of the world, if you can convince me to have hope please go ahead! "Be the change you want to see in the world." -Mahatma Gandhi- Positivity and optimism in science aren't just wishful thinking nor false hope, when just about everything - Scientology notwithstanding 'cause it's a cult - in science needs to be based on facts that are quantifiable, while scientific hypothesis can only become theory once real working patterns are established. Those two aspects of scientific discipline are themselves the positivity and optimism that every scientists should have; the proofs that this is how science perceives nature works itself naturally, when nature has her own rules and laws that need to be respected.Philosophy is just a discipline for scientists to train their cognitive sense, so that's probably how some scientists started as being religious individuals. But instead of them worshiping the supernatural and its doctrines, they turned their attention to the natural and her ways. When they intuitively philosophized that there's not a lot of religious philosophy that works, while the origin of the philosophy itself was dogmatic at best due to its supernatural status. So from them applied their imagination on how nature works without supernatural intervention, to physically tinkered nature herself with experimentation not prescribed by religious doctrines. Scientists were able to change how people see the world, by them changing their methods step by step for themselves. Therefore with science, you don't need wishful thinking nor false hope in order for you to change the world. Now I didn't know if that was how you perceive what positivity and optimism were, I just intuitively perceived that could help you understand where I'm coming from. Although I share your general views on science and it's importance you act like it is a golden chariot that will lead hummanity to salvation whilst I believe it is not a single idea or force that will save us, but a combination of many factors. Allow me to ask you a question, what is your view on the state of the world? I view it in a state of downfall due to the greed, ignorance, and selfishness of human nature and that hope is wearing thin for us. So tell me how do you see the world? I see human beings are individually capable of intrinsically being truthful, honest, and therefore trustworthy. However for the longest time humanity had been compromised, due to the human society is collectively allowing the human specie to extrinsically desiring lies, deceptions, and thereby despicable, IMO. This is why in order for me to change the current state of humanity being compromised, I need to show both the human individuals and the human society the reality of what they have become. My personal view about our world notwithstanding, it's what I want to do with it due to who I am, that's going to change the world. I see...I believe that in order for any of that change to happen people need to stop being so blind, only willing to see the world through their own little window, so many people are like that, ignorance, blind faith, arrogance, all these poisons that exist in the human existence poison people's minds, we are all subject to that, you and me included. To move as a single being while retaining our individuality and independence, that perfect balance is what I would strive to create in a utopian society. I am many things, an altruist, a transcendentalist, an individualist, etc. I have drawn parts from all these ideas into one way of thinking. I believe that balance might be the answer to saving hummanity, so If giving the opprutunity I would do to society what I've done in my own mind, combine them into a single entity working together to achieve an alike goal, but of course without sacrificing any individualism. Imprisonment? All I want is for people to think for others as well as themselves and for people to live in harmony with each other without war or hatred over pointless things like religion. . .I know what I said in the previous comment is an impossiblity...as long as people put what they want above what their fellow humans need things cannot improve. Look at all the celebrities who buy million dollar vacation homes and sports cars while children all over the world die of starvation, that is the reality of human selfishness and their self centered existences! There are plenty of good hearted people who sacrifice for the sake of others they are the true heros of this world, but there are not enough people like that in this world. For example, those "celebrities", aka socialites, had long forgotten their individual self worth. When they didn't raise social awareness with their actions not because they were willing, but because the lifestyle incentivizes them with more publicity and more opportunity of themselves at the spotlight. In other words, they were made and conditioned into a mentality of narcissistic personality disorder, by the very society that allows fame and fortune to be desirable. which is why I find those people, and the society that breeds them, despicable. |
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