Banding together to help those in need!?
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I find it odd how it takes a natural disaster where thousands to millions of people died, in order for people to band together peacefully for a common goal. I do not think there has been anything else other than a disaster that can get people to gather together peacefully for a common goal to help man kind.

Why is that?

And if I am wrong can you give a sample of millions of people banding together for a non-violent common goal without a disaster triggering it?

It seems to me the only time man kind can peacefully band together for a peaceful goal is after some disaster came through and claimed a lot of peoples lives!

Debate this topic if you can.


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I think we all come together in times of need for two reasons. One is that we are compassionate and want to genuinly help others. The second one would be that we don't want to look bad for not helping while everyone else is helping, so we help to preserve our image and do it out of pride.

I think people do ban together not just when disaster occurs. With the tea-party protests millions of Americans are coming together (despite political ideology) to help get the government to stop spending so quickly and recklessly. Liberals, libertarians, and conservatives are all apart of this movement and they have banded together to put forth a common goal. Although it may be argued that we have banded together due to a disaster Regardless, I think people do come together for political purposes and not just when a disaster happens.

I can't really think of many more examples, where there is a common goal and where the need/desire is great enough, people will come together and work to do what they have set out to do. After 9/11 American's came together, and now we are divided. I think it's sad that people can't work towards common goals and instead live pridefully.
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You can ask the mods to edit your topic title.

I also find it strange it takes a disaster to happen for people to come together & help and care for each other. It makes people look bias (if that's the right word for it) & kinda hypocritical. [edit later, keep getting writer's block] =T
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I think we all come together in times of need for two reasons. One is that we are compassionate and want to genuinly help others. The second one would be that we don't want to look bad for not helping while everyone else is helping, so we help to preserve our image and do it out of pride.

I think people do ban together not just when disaster occurs. With the tea-party protests millions of Americans are coming together (despite political ideology) to help get the government to stop spending so quickly and recklessly. Liberals, libertarians, and conservatives are all apart of this movement and they have banded together to put forth a common goal. Although it may be argued that we have banded together due to a disaster Regardless, I think people do come together for political purposes and not just when a disaster happens.

I can't really think of many more examples, where there is a common goal and where the need/desire is great enough, people will come together and work to do what they have set out to do. After 9/11 American's came together, and now we are divided. I think it's sad that people can't work towards common goals and instead live pridefully.


Question:
Since you been visiting Haiti before, how was it?
Can you tell me something about their government?
Do you know a big misconception that only few knows?
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digs wrote:

I think we all come together in times of need for two reasons. One is that we are compassionate and want to genuinly help others. The second one would be that we don't want to look bad for not helping while everyone else is helping, so we help to preserve our image and do it out of pride.

I think people do ban together not just when disaster occurs. With the tea-party protests millions of Americans are coming together (despite political ideology) to help get the government to stop spending so quickly and recklessly. Liberals, libertarians, and conservatives are all apart of this movement and they have banded together to put forth a common goal. Although it may be argued that we have banded together due to a disaster Regardless, I think people do come together for political purposes and not just when a disaster happens.

I can't really think of many more examples, where there is a common goal and where the need/desire is great enough, people will come together and work to do what they have set out to do. After 9/11 American's came together, and now we are divided. I think it's sad that people can't work towards common goals and instead live pridefully.


Question:
Since you been visiting Haiti before, how was it?
Can you tell me something about their government?
Do you know a big misconception that only few knows?


I went to Haiti in the summer of 2007, back then it was extremely and severely impoverished. The airport has a single runway and is a small building compared to other airports, it looked like something from the 70's. The airport also had frequent power outages. The city of Port Au Prince was very trashy and traffic was awful. There are no street lights or stop signs and people rode in converted pick up trucks called "tap taps." Most of the buildings were shacks made from sticks or sheet metal. What I feared (and turned out to be true) is that these poorly built buildings collapsed from the earthquake. The place I stayed in was near the city of Leogane (which is several miles west of Port Au Prince). The villages were even more impoverished than the city. There were no hospitals for miles, really there were no roads either, just a dirt road and walking paths (we walked everywhere we went too). If it weren't for the mission there there would be no medicine (the mission had a clinic). Basically, the city life was severely impoverished and village life was worse. There is rampant crime and no police force too. If you want to know more I don't mind talking about it in PMs.

The government of Haiti is probably the most corrupt government in the world. The current president isn't the one that ruled the nation when I was there, but they have all been corrupt (the one that ruled before when I was there was exiled). The government receives tons of money in foreign aid, but gives it all to the rich or the president pockets it himself. We saw steel frames that were supposed to be a project for public housing. From what I remember, The US and Canada gave the Haitian government millions of dollars to build these public housing buildings. The government spent very little of it on the project and couldn't finish it, so they asked for more (I don't believe they received it either). They squander aid money and could care less about the people. If I were to give any advice to those wanting to donate to help the earthquake victims, don't give the money to the Haitian government or an organization that is going to give money to their government, give it to a respected charity.

One misconception about Haiti is that it's all poor. The truth is that there is a city of multi millionaires on a mountain next to Port Au Prince. The city is called Petionville and it's an exclusive community were the rich live in big mansions. Statistics that they the average Haitian makes around $1000 a year are wrong. Most Haitians make roughly $180 a year and some even less. The millionaires skew the numbers because of their wealth, yet they make up a very small minority (about 110,000 people). As it is, the extremely wealthy basically run the country, the Haitian government hardly taxes them, and they treat the poor like dirt. The rich are so arrogant and proud that they speak a different language than the poor. Haitians speak Haitian Creole (which is a mix of French and African languages), the rich speak proper French and not Creole. The rich don't care about the poor, to my knowledge they don't donate any of their wealth to help their fellow countrymen. Typically the rich are Mulatto (half black and half white) and see themselves as superior to the poor. It's truly shameful how they live and treat the less fortunate. If you want to know anything else PM me, I'd be happy to answer questions.
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kyoukoujin wrote:


digs wrote:

I think we all come together in times of need for two reasons. One is that we are compassionate and want to genuinly help others. The second one would be that we don't want to look bad for not helping while everyone else is helping, so we help to preserve our image and do it out of pride.

I think people do ban together not just when disaster occurs. With the tea-party protests millions of Americans are coming together (despite political ideology) to help get the government to stop spending so quickly and recklessly. Liberals, libertarians, and conservatives are all apart of this movement and they have banded together to put forth a common goal. Although it may be argued that we have banded together due to a disaster Regardless, I think people do come together for political purposes and not just when a disaster happens.

I can't really think of many more examples, where there is a common goal and where the need/desire is great enough, people will come together and work to do what they have set out to do. After 9/11 American's came together, and now we are divided. I think it's sad that people can't work towards common goals and instead live pridefully.


Question:
Since you been visiting Haiti before, how was it?
Can you tell me something about their government?
Do you know a big misconception that only few knows?


I went to Haiti in the summer of 2007, back then it was extremely and severely impoverished. The airport has a single runway and is a small building compared to other airports, it looked like something from the 70's. The airport also had frequent power outages. The city of Port Au Prince was very trashy and traffic was awful. There are no street lights or stop signs and people rode in converted pick up trucks called "tap taps." Most of the buildings were shacks made from sticks or sheet metal. What I feared (and turned out to be true) is that these poorly built buildings collapsed from the earthquake. The place I stayed in was near the city of Leogane (which is several miles west of Port Au Prince). The villages were even more impoverished than the city. There were no hospitals for miles, really there were no roads either, just a dirt road and walking paths (we walked everywhere we went too). If it weren't for the mission there there would be no medicine (the mission had a clinic). Basically, the city life was severely impoverished and village life was worse. There is rampant crime and no police force too. If you want to know more I don't mind talking about it in PMs.

The government of Haiti is probably the most corrupt government in the world. The current president isn't the one that ruled the nation when I was there, but they have all been corrupt (the one that ruled before when I was there was exiled). The government receives tons of money in foreign aid, but gives it all to the rich or the president pockets it himself. We saw steel frames that were supposed to be a project for public housing. From what I remember, The US and Canada gave the Haitian government millions of dollars to build these public housing buildings. The government spent very little of it on the project and couldn't finish it, so they asked for more (I don't believe they received it either). They squander aid money and could care less about the people. If I were to give any advice to those wanting to donate to help the earthquake victims, don't give the money to the Haitian government or an organization that is going to give money to their government, give it to a respected charity.

One misconception about Haiti is that it's all poor. The truth is that there is a city of multi millionaires on a mountain next to Port Au Prince. The city is called Petionville and it's an exclusive community were the rich live in big mansions. Statistics that they the average Haitian makes around $1000 a year are wrong. Most Haitians make roughly $180 a year and some even less. The millionaires skew the numbers because of their wealth, yet they make up a very small minority (about 110,000 people). As it is, the extremely wealthy basically run the country, the Haitian government hardly taxes them, and they treat the poor like dirt. The rich are so arrogant and proud that they speak a different language than the poor. Haitians speak Haitian Creole (which is a mix of French and African languages), the rich speak proper French and not Creole. The rich don't care about the poor, to my knowledge they don't donate any of their wealth to help their fellow countrymen. Typically the rich are Mulatto (half black and half white) and see themselves as superior to the poor. It's truly shameful how they live and treat the less fortunate. If you want to know anything else PM me, I'd be happy to answer questions.


According to my colleagues, Haiti was divided into two spots: whether you're filthy rich or dirt poor. There is none in the middle, meaning middle class. The government is very corrupted and the president only acts as a puppet just like in England.
The rich ones like to hoard their country's riches. They like to bring US money to Haiti. They'll keep their own but they will spend somebody's else money [US]. Not to mention, Petionville is really a surprise to see.
They have beautiful breeds of Haitian that speak English very well.

It's really sucks to know that their own government would not help their own fellow countrymen who are less misfortune than them, especially in this recent natural disaster and economic downturn. It was reported that the president was going to leave the scene, but unfortunately, he had no means to go: he can't go right, left, up, or whatever. He's stuck and doing nothing.
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Are you people done with spewing generic bollocks? The Haiti events are not the example, merely an example. The rich hoard their money, it is not surprise. That is what the rich do and it is also what the sensible less wealthy people do. Who can blame them? The object of blame should be the system lacking checks and balances to prevent people from abusing their power. Thinking that people should share their wealth voluntarily en masse is a great indicator of naïveté. Blaming the individuals is pointless. They are merely empowered to do as they please, by the system, by its flawed taxonomy. Blaming it on human behaviour and personality is pointless.
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Are you people done with spewing generic bollocks? The Haiti events are not the example, merely an example. The rich hoard their money, it is not surprise. That is what the rich do and it is also what the sensible less wealthy people do. Who can blame them? The object of blame should be the system lacking checks and balances to prevent people from abusing their power. Thinking that people should share their wealth voluntarily en masse is a great indicator of naïveté. Blaming the individuals is pointless. They are merely empowered to do as they please, by the system, by its flawed taxonomy. Blaming it on human behaviour and personality is pointless.
Exactly, while any system can be seen as just an institution, it's naive to think that we can find confidence in our legislation, politics, economics, nationality, or even religions. When we should individually reaffirming our humanity based on human nature defined by scientific progresses, not with any system that need constant fine-tuning.
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DerfelCadarn wrote:

Are you people done with spewing generic bollocks? The Haiti events are not the example, merely an example. The rich hoard their money, it is not surprise. That is what the rich do and it is also what the sensible less wealthy people do. Who can blame them? The object of blame should be the system lacking checks and balances to prevent people from abusing their power. Thinking that people should share their wealth voluntarily en masse is a great indicator of naïveté. Blaming the individuals is pointless. They are merely empowered to do as they please, by the system, by its flawed taxonomy. Blaming it on human behaviour and personality is pointless.
Exactly, while any system can be seen as just an institution, it's naive to think that we can find confidence in our legislation, politics, economics, nationality, or even religions. When we should individually reaffirming our humanity based on human nature defined by scientific progresses, not with any system that need constant fine-tuning.


um...how does scientific progress define humane nature? as lazy and always looking for a easy way out? And Scientific progess is always in need of fine-tuning, which is why its always progressing peace pver war
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I find it odd how it takes a natural disaster where thousands to millions of people died, in order for people to band together peacefully for a common goal. I do not think there has been anything else other than a disaster that can get people to gather together peacefully for a common goal to help man kind.

Why is that?

And if I am wrong can you give a sample of millions of people banding together for a non-violent common goal without a disaster triggering it?

It seems to me the only time man kind can peacefully band together for a peaceful goal is after some disaster came through and claimed a lot of peoples lives!

Debate this topic if you can.




it takes a disaster because everyone else is to busy living our lives. We have jobs, school, and martial arts to attend. We dont have time to help humanity reach a goal it will never achieve.Humanity has outlived its usefulness...peace over war
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Rants & wailing !
What's wrong w/ a temporary moment of love & generosity? It's not like history has ever been able to maintain such Utopian ideals, so let's take them as we get them, & participate to what ever extent we can? --No?

Life is fraught with inconsistencies & failings, none of us are exempt.
The real criticism should be not responding when we can to disasters when they strike--- we'll sure want someone to do so when we're the ones stricken!!!!
Posted 1/21/10

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DomFortress wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:

Are you people done with spewing generic bollocks? The Haiti events are not the example, merely an example. The rich hoard their money, it is not surprise. That is what the rich do and it is also what the sensible less wealthy people do. Who can blame them? The object of blame should be the system lacking checks and balances to prevent people from abusing their power. Thinking that people should share their wealth voluntarily en masse is a great indicator of naïveté. Blaming the individuals is pointless. They are merely empowered to do as they please, by the system, by its flawed taxonomy. Blaming it on human behaviour and personality is pointless.
Exactly, while any system can be seen as just an institution, it's naive to think that we can find confidence in our legislation, politics, economics, nationality, or even religions. When we should individually reaffirming our humanity based on human nature defined by scientific progresses, not with any system that need constant fine-tuning.


um...how does scientific progress define humane nature? as lazy and always looking for a easy way out? And Scientific progess is always in need of fine-tuning, which is why its always progressing peace pver war
Simple, through psychoanalysis we now know those who are "lazy and always looking for an easy way out" as pessimists.

And the "fine-tuning" in scientific progress is relatively making leaps and bounds when compared to the rest of the human society. Because while the law of science is grounded by nature, the heart of science is driven by imagination, for the soul of science is guided by curiosity.

So now can you tell me, just what other institutions within our human society have the same setup as with science?
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DomFortress wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:

Are you people done with spewing generic bollocks? The Haiti events are not the example, merely an example. The rich hoard their money, it is not surprise. That is what the rich do and it is also what the sensible less wealthy people do. Who can blame them? The object of blame should be the system lacking checks and balances to prevent people from abusing their power. Thinking that people should share their wealth voluntarily en masse is a great indicator of naïveté. Blaming the individuals is pointless. They are merely empowered to do as they please, by the system, by its flawed taxonomy. Blaming it on human behaviour and personality is pointless.
Exactly, while any system can be seen as just an institution, it's naive to think that we can find confidence in our legislation, politics, economics, nationality, or even religions. When we should individually reaffirming our humanity based on human nature defined by scientific progresses, not with any system that need constant fine-tuning.


um...how does scientific progress define humane nature? as lazy and always looking for a easy way out? And Scientific progess is always in need of fine-tuning, which is why its always progressing peace pver war
Simple, through psychoanalysis we now know those who are "lazy and always looking for an easy way out" as pessimists.

And the "fine-tuning" in scientific progress is relatively making leaps and bounds when compared to the rest of the human society. Because while the law of science is grounded by nature, the heart of science is driven by imagination, for the soul of science is guided by curiosity.

So now can you tell me, just what other institutions within our human society have the same setup as with science?


college? peace over war
Posted 1/21/10 , edited 1/21/10

JJT2 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:



And the "fine-tuning" in scientific progress is relatively making leaps and bounds when compared to the rest of the human society. Because while the law of science is grounded by nature, the heart of science is driven by imagination, for the soul of science is guided by curiosity.

So now can you tell me, just what other institutions within our human society have the same setup as with science?


college? peace over war
You mean that institution which is grounded by academia, driven by economic, and guided by board of directors? Try again.
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