What were the original intent of Katas (forms/poomse) in asian martial arts?
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Posted 1/25/10 , edited 1/25/10
Katas (forms,patterns,poomse,ect) are a list of movements that attack or defend agaisnt different imaginary opponents from various angles.

My quesion is what was the original purpose of them?

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now now, before you get your shorts in a bunch, i have been to my fair share of martial art schools and i love doing katas. From Taichi to karate, i have done it all (well except judo katas ). In my training i asked around to answer my quesion "what was the original purpose of them?".They told me training (such as in str,skill,percision,focus, workout,ect.).I'll buy that.

The problem occurs when i ask them what does this move do here? (imagine me in some wierld cross legged, hand behind head, arm around neck stance). I get a different answer form everybody i asks, even in the same style. Which means nobody knows.

So that adds on to my original quesion- what type of training?

And i have done the research...and found nothing.Some things in some stances are obvious to the trained eye, other stuff is just freaky.

On youtube, i watched videos that make claims that some karate katas were never meant for empty hand combat, so all stances and moves are actually done with some spear or other weapons in hand.

Makes sense if you actually think about it...The only time a front stance makes sense in combat if when you have a large spear in your hand stabbing...

so what are your thoughts? Why and how did Katas come to be? and for what purpose?

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Thats not what im asking. Im asking what was the original intent of the Kata?, why was it created? For what purpose?Why do we have to do a Kata to progress? what makes it impotant?Whats the history of it? Perhaps my OP wasnt clear...peace over war :ph34r:
Posted 1/25/10
In Karate, you must learn a Kata consisting of all the basic moves to progress. This takes 3 months. << example is'all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata

Its a sequence of movements that is essential to learn in any style that carries them...

I'm done here now, because you'll probably quote my ass off. Peace over war....


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There are always better ways to improve your movements/form/strength/accuracy/combat ability than doing Katas.

Some realistic/practical answers I can think of are:

- Form of meditation
- Artistic expression like dancing
- Adds variety to training
- Can act as a nice cool down at the end of a training session

I see Taichi as a discipline that help build a better foundation or supplementary training...there are better things for combat. The movements helps improve the the strength of your joints and tendons.

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Rina-San wrote:

In Karate, you must learn a Kata consisting of all the basic moves to progress. This takes 3 months. << example is'all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata

Its a sequence of movements that is essential to learn in any style that carries them...

I'm done here now, because you'll probably quote my ass off. Peace over war....




Thats not what im asking. Im asking what was the original intent of the Kata, why was it created? For what purpose?Why do we have to do a Kata to progress? what makes it impotant?Whats the history of it? Perhaps my OP wasnt clear...peace over war
Posted 1/25/10

JJT2 wrote:


Rina-San wrote:

In Karate, you must learn a Kata consisting of all the basic moves to progress. This takes 3 months. << example is'all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata

Its a sequence of movements that is essential to learn in any style that carries them...

I'm done here now, because you'll probably quote my ass off. Peace over war....




Thats not what im asking. Im asking what was the original intent of the Kata, why was it created? For what purpose?Why do we have to do a Kata to progress? what makes it impotant?Whats the history of it? Perhaps my OP wasnt clear...peace over war


*giggle* sorry...it must annoy the crap out of you that I used your end line there....

Hmm...well its just how moves are produced and practiced, if you want history of kata...its going to be in the history of a style.
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Rina-San wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Rina-San wrote:

In Karate, you must learn a Kata consisting of all the basic moves to progress. This takes 3 months. << example is'all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata

Its a sequence of movements that is essential to learn in any style that carries them...

I'm done here now, because you'll probably quote my ass off. Peace over war....




Thats not what im asking. Im asking what was the original intent of the Kata, why was it created? For what purpose?Why do we have to do a Kata to progress? what makes it impotant?Whats the history of it? Perhaps my OP wasnt clear...peace over war


*giggle* sorry...it must annoy the crap out of you that I used your end line there....

Hmm...well its just how moves are produced and practiced, if you want history of kata...its going to be in the history of a style.


lol, its ok, besides its not my end line, i just simply rediscovered it from one of my ancesters peace over war
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Well I don't really know much about martial arts and all but since it has been used for quite a while. Those weird, freaky stuff probably was used to defend some kind of attack back in the days.
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I'm currently a blue belt in karate. Kata's, I think, were for discliplining the students and to train them. But honestly, I hate kata's...
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Posted 1/26/10
Self-training. There are times when there are nobody is around to train with you so it is best that a martial artist to maintain his skill by fighting against an imaginary fighter. In High-School, it is part of our Physical Education curriculum to take basic Arnis lessons and we are taught that if we don't have a partner, it is best that you train against an imaginary fighter to improve and maintain our skills. Practice makes perfect as they say.
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