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It has been interesting to watch this thread develop. What I thought was a subject on " depression" & misery falls victim once again to the same old arguments on faith, beliefs, & religion, how sad.

Anybody out there willing to share the physical reality of brain function, or in the case of clinical depression, the dis-functional brain?
I find it a more than a little frustrating how so many responses here take the one size fits all attitude that a "willingness to change", or "taking a serious reality check of one's self" is all it takes to cure the blues!!!

I'm not disagreeing w/ the power of prayer & meditation, they have their place in gaining comfort & attaining cures. There is much to be said for the serious reality check for renewed & logical perspective of a bad situation in one's life. However there is one problem w/ these sweet platitudes. Not everyone has the ability to undertake & apply them to their own life's situation. Such people are not always seeking the attention or pity of others. On the contrary, real depression tends to avoid attention altogether. Optimism takes strength, & not everyone has a brain wired for this strength, just like everyone is not built w/ upper body strength. Even exercising the platitudes of positive thinking as sighted above, doesn't give every body the same strength capacity, some will always be weaker than others! Depression related suicides prove this.

What is so wrong with finding help & comfort in prayer to the higher being, or medication & the care of a health professional? How can anyone dare to judge the value of another's life or choices in life w/o walking a mile in that person's shoes, truly experiencing that person's weaknesses, conflicts, despair, or limitations? ! ?

Offering the self help platitudes on an anonymous & generalized forum thread is probably benign for the most part, but for the sake of intelligent discussion, could you please, take a moment to consider the feelings & suffering of others who may not have your strengths or resources? Maybe, instead of restating your self help mumbo-jumbo, could you give references to books, therapies, or professionals you have experienced & been helped by? These would be so much more constructive & supportive of the hurting people, as well as those who are close to & love them !!
Posted 2/11/10

farmbird wrote:

It has been interesting to watch this thread develop. What I thought was a subject on " depression" & misery falls victim once again to the same old arguments on faith, beliefs, & religion, how sad.

Anybody out there willing to share the physical reality of brain function, or in the case of clinical depression, the dis-functional brain?
I find it a more than a little frustrating how so many responses here take the one size fits all attitude that a "willingness to change", or "taking a serious reality check of one's self" is all it takes to cure the blues!!!

I'm not disagreeing w/ the power of prayer & meditation, they have their place in gaining comfort & attaining cures. There is much to be said for the serious reality check for renewed & logical perspective of a bad situation in one's life. However there is one problem w/ these sweet platitudes. Not everyone has the ability to undertake & apply them to their own life's situation. Such people are not always seeking the attention or pity of others. On the contrary, real depression tends to avoid attention altogether. Optimism takes strength, & not everyone has a brain wired for this strength, just like everyone is not built w/ upper body strength. Even exercising the platitudes of positive thinking as sighted above, doesn't give every body the same strength capacity, some will always be weaker than others! Depression related suicides prove this.

What is so wrong with finding help & comfort in prayer to the higher being, or medication & the care of a health professional? How can anyone dare to judge the value of another's life or choices in life w/o walking a mile in that person's shoes, truly experiencing that person's weaknesses, conflicts, despair, or limitations? ! ?

Offering the self help platitudes on an anonymous & generalized forum thread is probably benign for the most part, but for the sake of intelligent discussion, could you please, take a moment to consider the feelings & suffering of others who may not have your strengths or resources? Maybe, instead of restating your self help mumbo-jumbo, could you give references to books, therapies, or professionals you have experienced & been helped by? These would be so much more constructive & supportive of the hurting people, as well as those who are close to & love them !!


My thread initially was an outburst from within that I didn't expect to become much of anything. Your post here confirms many things. People do get something out of prayer for instance, and that comes in many forms. Seeking help from professionals is always good answer for when we are down-in-the-dumps and can't seem to find a way to get out of it. Depression is an all-consuming void where everything shuts down and we often can only escape it if we sleep since we shut ourselves in and away from the rest of the world. I have known this. I often don't seek to fight depression since I know it isn't some kind of poison or evil blight, it is a phase of the brain. We can't always be happy and sometimes everything seems to break down. When that happens, we can rely on our own inner fortitude to win the battle. Those without the strength might find themselves at mercy to their delicate chemical balance. Standing on a tightrope between recovery and self-destruction is a hard thing to face. Some people remarkably learn how to manage it.
Posted 2/11/10 , edited 2/13/10

farmbird wrote:

It has been interesting to watch this thread develop. What I thought was a subject on " depression" & misery falls victim once again to the same old arguments on faith, beliefs, & religion, how sad.

Anybody out there willing to share the physical reality of brain function, or in the case of clinical depression, the dis-functional brain?
I find it a more than a little frustrating how so many responses here take the one size fits all attitude that a "willingness to change", or "taking a serious reality check of one's self" is all it takes to cure the blues!!!

I'm not disagreeing w/ the power of prayer & meditation, they have their place in gaining comfort & attaining cures. There is much to be said for the serious reality check for renewed & logical perspective of a bad situation in one's life. However there is one problem w/ these sweet platitudes. Not everyone has the ability to undertake & apply them to their own life's situation. Such people are not always seeking the attention or pity of others. On the contrary, real depression tends to avoid attention altogether. Optimism takes strength, & not everyone has a brain wired for this strength, just like everyone is not built w/ upper body strength. Even exercising the platitudes of positive thinking as sighted above, doesn't give every body the same strength capacity, some will always be weaker than others! Depression related suicides prove this.

What is so wrong with finding help & comfort in prayer to the higher being, or medication & the care of a health professional? How can anyone dare to judge the value of another's life or choices in life w/o walking a mile in that person's shoes, truly experiencing that person's weaknesses, conflicts, despair, or limitations? ! ?

Offering the self help platitudes on an anonymous & generalized forum thread is probably benign for the most part, but for the sake of intelligent discussion, could you please, take a moment to consider the feelings & suffering of others who may not have your strengths or resources? Maybe, instead of restating your self help mumbo-jumbo, could you give references to books, therapies, or professionals you have experienced & been helped by? These would be so much more constructive & supportive of the hurting people, as well as those who are close to & love them !!
Thank you, my friend. For allowing me to understand the situation from a different perspective, and thus requiring a different solution.

And since you brought up the focus on the lacks of strengths that requires clinical solution, for strength building cannot take place before the healing process is over. The solution itself is therefore an environmental change rather than a DIY attitude adjustment.

However, do keep in mind that I value more on the natural process of healing over prescription type approach. So my solution will be difficult to understand for some. In other words, put on your thinking caps folks! 'Cause it's time to crack some eggheads with yours truly.

Let's begin by "depression related suicides", and for this I would point to psychologist Dr. Barry Schwartz and his discovery on "the paradox of choice"(also available as book). And how the utilitarian approach of maximizing choices, in order to create better options and greater satisfaction. Can actually causes clinical depression due to decision-making paralysis, unrealistically high expectations, and self-blame for any and all failures. In other words, we've reached to a point where our consumerism had created just the opposite effect, by overwhelming us with excessive choice in the market. Which ends up crippling our decision-making process.

And from "excessive choice" which leads to an individual's "decision-making paralysis", let's take that situation and create a social environment where everyone stops making decision and just blindly follows anyone else without question. Enters the Lucifer Effect written by Professor Philip Zimbardo, which in his talk about "how people become monsters ... or heroes"(WARING: video with graphical contents that's extremely NSFW). He outlined the effect as an environment with these seven social processes that "grease the slippery-slope of evil":
Now how that coincidentally reflects to the Seven Deadly Sins on an individual level, is an interesting topic for another discussion.

And as if that wasn't enough of a headcase/headache already, get this: the side-effects of an anti-depressant are anti-passion and anti-love(citation). Now how about that for a major letdown! Because the one medication that's been prescribed by clinical science after all these years, are also responsible for systematically eliminating our natural healing ability to combat the very same ailment that it was for in the first place. No wonder those doctors are now practicing "patient autonomy", I think they are diffusing their professional responsibility by giving us the decision-making process to screw ourselves, and we get to choose how to do it. And as an afterthought, here's the video presentation of Dr Helen Fisher and her theory on "the science of love, and the future of women".

It's therefore ironic that in my search of human nature and reaffirming humanity via social science, I've been subsequently hypothesizing for a cure as in better psychological conditioning in a social environment based on natural design. However insofar, I'm not convinced that the pubic is ready for such change of perspective on fundamental values and paradigm shift. In other words, I'll be declared clinically insane by the masses and get myself locked up while they throw away the key. Regardless of my status and especially due to the fact that I am a self-proclaimed amateur social scientist.
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Just came across what could be helpful info; the American Psychiatric Assoc. is reviewing the naming & diagnostic criteria of entries in the DSM-IV, one of which relates to 'depression'. Check it out at:
http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=46
Posted 2/11/10 , edited 2/11/10

farmbird wrote:

Just came across what could be helpful info; the American Psychiatric Assoc. is reviewing the naming & diagnostic criteria of entries in the DSM-IV, one of which relates to 'depression'. Check it out at:
http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=46
Here's your link referred to the section titled "300.4 Dysthymic Disorder". It works better like this as a hyperlink.

So basically, the clinical psychology is ready to treat chronic depression as a from of mood disorder. And the reason behind this notion is because they now realized that they can't just treat a simple mood swing like some sort of severe mental disease that requires medication of any kind.
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I am not on this cusp, but on the cusp of existence, The question as to what is real and why I am....


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Posted 2/15/10

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I am not on this cusp, but on the cusp of existence, The question as to what is real and why I am....


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Better to be on a curve of living than wanting to die.
Posted 2/15/10

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Thorn77 wrote:

I am not on this cusp, but on the cusp of existence, The question as to what is real and why I am....


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Better to be on a curve of living than wanting to die.


True.....
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