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Che Guevara
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He basically said the main problems in the world today (poverty, injustice, oppression) were "a result of monopoly capitalism, neocolonialism, and imperialism, with the only remedy being world revolution." He is widely considered as the ultimate symbol for freedom and revolution worldwide.

I want to know what everyone's general opinions on him and his views are.
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I'm actually not that impressed by Che running in Bolivian jungle with AK. Also I've heard he was racist saying Mexicans and Blacks are primitive human beings, though it sounds a bit like a hoax since Che himself was a Latin American.

Recently I bought a book of famous photographs and stories behind them and there were some pictures of Che and a little story and interviewer's/photographer's impressions of him. I know mostly "popular" facts about him and can't say if I agree with his ideals (I doubt the idea of Anarchy is that good as we imagine) but in this story in my book he seems a higly intelligent, somewhat adorable person, very simple. Most of revolutioners I know sound and look pretentious and pathetic (Lenin, for example), but Che was very down to Earth and simple.

As a man, I should say, he was really handsome ^_^
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Lol I dont know who the hell he is haha. Have to do my own research. You should have added a tad bit more info or some links. It is all good though.
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drizza wrote:

Lol I dont know who the hell he is haha. Have to do my own research. You should have added a tad bit more info or some links. It is all good though.


His picture is one of the most famous symbols in the world, I thought most people would be familiar with him.
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Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Lol I dont know who the hell he is haha. Have to do my own research. You should have added a tad bit more info or some links. It is all good though.


His picture is one of the most famous symbols in the world, I thought most people would be familiar with him.



I must have been under a rock or something lol. Anyways from issues he raises seems to be on track with my beliefs. Right now I am looking him up on wiki. It is a shame he died so young at age 39. When I learn more about him I will make a better post.
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I used to idolize this guy for being the rebel and revolutionary he was and shouting his slogans like "Hasta la victoria siempre" and such, but I thought violent revolution got to his head despite his initial intentions and causes. I give more respect to guys like Jose Marti, Camilo Cienfuegos, Huber Matos, and Salvador Allende than him.
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I really don't like Che Guavera. He was a racist homophobe and was a very militant individual. I think his ideals were very corrupt, sure he stood for corporate justice, but I think he lied and manipulated people in order to go with his cause. He manipulated people by getting them to hate capitalism and business, and in it's place he helped establish a communist state (Cuba) with a very oppressive government. Che had gays jailed simply for being gay and manipulated the masses only to enslave them with the Castro regime. What he stood for was "noble," but his alternatives were far more wicked and his militant actions gave rise to one of the world's most oppressive governments on earth.
Posted 1/31/10
I know very little about the man. judging by the brief explanation you listed, I guess he was a venerate individual to many people =T
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Che was a terrorist. A "good" terrorist.
Posted 2/2/10
A glorified terrorist if you ask me. If capitalism is so bad how come CHINA rules the world? Hell......we should all just be Commies and get it over with...
Posted 2/2/10
It's easy to say things like that. But doing it is another thing.

I really dislike watching the Daily Show and Colbert Report.
They just like to criticize/ridicule someone's else mistakes while hiding behind their desks in front of the camera.
Everyone is a critic, they say. Even an elementary student is good enough to ridicule something.
If you know shit at the first place, then go. Create a miracle in an instant.
Don't write a book "I'm America" just because you became a famous now. Their just basking the glory in asshole level.
Yes, they're comedians at first. But now, woooah, influential figures and also been taken seriously by masses??? what the hell?
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digs wrote:

I really don't like Che Guavera. He was a racist homophobe and was a very militant individual. I think his ideals were very corrupt, sure he stood for corporate justice, but I think he lied and manipulated people in order to go with his cause. He manipulated people by getting them to hate capitalism and business, and in it's place he helped establish a communist state (Cuba) with a very oppressive government. Che had gays jailed simply for being gay and manipulated the masses only to enslave them with the Castro regime. What he stood for was "noble," but his alternatives were far more wicked and his militant actions gave rise to one of the world's most oppressive governments on earth.


Very true. Guevara was also notorious for using brutal methods of torture in order to silence his political opponents. Much of what is praised toward Che Guevara is propaganda that was put out by those on the far left of the political spectrum, plain and simple. The man wasn't a hero - just a vicious attack dog for the Castro regime.

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I would suggest all of you to reserve judgement, favourable or not. He was born out of a different age with different standards, from a particular background. Simply labeling him a hero or a criminal will do no good in providing an analysis of him.

As for Lenin, who has been mentioned here, I would have to say that he was by no means pathetic. I would very much agree that from our (including my) current viewpoint, he caused a hell of a mess, but let it be said in his favour that despite the fact that his actions lead to so much havoc, he was a very intelligent individual with excellent education and a very sharp mind and great charisma to utilise his mental agility.
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He was a 'hero' for poor people and a 'terrorist' for rich people. He was a worldwide symbol for revolution and a leader of insurgency groups against corrupt governments. I don't know much about the situation in South America countries at that time, but I heard the people were really poor and always being treated like minorities, even they are much larger in terms of number but were really weak to oppose armed government. He was a soul that could raise the life hope of weak people to stand and rise against side what they believe is wrong and evil within their enemy. He was a light that guided weak people to be strong and proud to achieve the dream.

He dreamt about equality of the people and justice for all. Trying to crush the iron wall of rich and poor that has widen, thicker than any rich people can't imagine. Starting from Argentina, across the south continent, he struggled to achieved his utopia, spreading his belief about how corrupt the governments was and how evil the colonialism and capitalism. However to achieve such big dreams, he shed blood of his comrades than he had imagined. To break down the tyranny of money and oppression, there is nothing that he can do beside shed more tears and blood for years, that might much better rather than being poor and oppressed eternally.

At last, he succeed to achieve his dream. The dream of freedom and equal environment without fear being discriminated as Cubans, the ex-oppressed humans who are now able to stand on their own feet.


I might be wrong in some parts due to lack of information, but the country which once being called Evil Nation are no longer desperate about health problems as Americans have today. They have doctors and nurses visiting neighborhood everyday to check people's condition and they have the latest technology in most Cuba's hospitals. The rate of deaths are low. I watched in national geographic about this and there were group of Americans who unable to pay hospital's fee in US and they flew to Cuba to get the free treatment using latest technology and top doctors as well, and that's the standard of hospitality and given to everyone. Despite the US government was the one of many whom contributed wars in Cuba. Freedom and Equality, This is what Che Guevara's dreams about. And he was a man who were able achieved such utopia for his people.
Posted 2/3/10

Ryutai-Desk wrote:
. Freedom and Equality, This is what Che Guevara's dreams about. And he was a man who were able achieved such utopia for his people.
And thus, he only limited the term of "freedom" and "equality" for the "poor" which he considered as his people. But not the "rich". To say he was being bias towards his own people was nonetheless true.
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