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Is a knife the best weapon a civilian can have for self defense?
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Weapons are made for war not self-defense or anything.

I think the best weapon for a civilian is a gun.. Shoot = BAM, dead.. why bring a knife if someone can outpower you? what if your a skinny girl and a big guy with big muscles starts to attack you and you only got 5 seconds left before he attacks you. that 5 seconds you have can be used to defend yourself.. 1 second to lift, 3 seconds to aim. 1 second to pull that trigger into that mofo's head.
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Nah, flame thrower be the best.


here's a quote to back that argument..

“The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.”

-George Carlin
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Weapons are made for war not self-defense or anything.

I think the best weapon for a civilian is a gun.. Shoot = BAM, dead.. why bring a knife if someone can outpower you? what if your a skinny girl and a big guy with big muscles starts to attack you and you only got 5 seconds left before he attacks you. that 5 seconds you have can be used to defend yourself.. 1 second to lift, 3 seconds to aim. 1 second to pull that trigger into that mofo's head.


lol, guns dont work very well close range, a smart fighter will simply take control of the gun if it is within range, especially if the enemy is weaker. the average gun fight only last 5 secs. And most americans dont practice their aim or drawing skills with the gun. So they r bad aimers, and take to long to draw.Guns are like martial arts- they need to be practiced,perfected, and evolving everyday.peace over war
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First of all, there's some foolish people lol...

Then some who dont know what they're talking about...

Then some who have yet to confront reality...



JJT2 wrote:

is a knife the best weapon a civilian can have for self defense?

isnt it the most versitile weapon? doesnt it flow with all forms of combat?

think about it, its easy to conceal, easy to use, easy to master, and it goes with every fighting style/martial art.

You can use it for boxing, just hold the knife out to the side in your fists and every punch become a potential cut!

You can use it for wreslting, use that knife to cut your way out of holds, create openings for summissions, and even annoy the enemy with cuts to his fingers.

This can be used for tradition styles as well, ever heard of the infamouse knife hand block/ chop? Well, just use a real knife for the technique .:lol: .

the knife can be used to block attacks, trap them, cut, stab, bruise, ect. And unlike a gun, you dont need a permit and u dont have to kill your opponent-cuts below the waist are non-lethal. U know how muay thai guys love to kick the leg to slow down opponent? well. cutting the leg is even more effective. You can cut right through muscle tissue and slow down your opponent...

You can also throw a knife if u are accurate enough, so it can be used as a long range weapon to. Your thoughs on my new discovery? peace over war


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A knife is a good secondary weapon, primary(maybe) if you are well practiced with it....
Also you're wrong in some of this, I know the human body well / am currently taking a Paramedic course.

Cutting ANYWHERE can be LETHAL. Below the waist (non-lethal as you say) is the Femoral(Below the Waste, and is a huge Artery.), and other large Arteries including large Veins...(Large Arteries/Veins run all throughout your body...) cut those in anything other than a horizontal slash that person WILL bleed to death if not immediatly treated.. (NOTE: I say horizontal slash because for the people who do not know biology/human body, Veins and Arterys are capable of closing themselves off if severed/cut because they have slight muscle tissue, but ONLY horizontally can they seal themselves and not major, in other occasions your platelets coagulate and clog the severed/slit portion; scabs.. STILL neither of these alway will happen and people bleed to death.)

When you're in a fight, even if well practiced, those wrestling moves, grappling, and boxing you could still have the weapon turned against yourself by them or even yourself. Weren't you ever told: Dont run with Sciccors lol? Not because you're incompetent with it, but because shit happens even if you're fully aware sometimes.

If you want a versatile weapon, sorry but its going to be a Gun.. Something capable of shooting.(Shooting = Kinetic Energy, the same energy to shoot a bow, throw a knife, throwing a rock, even tossing a punch. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Will explain more if needed.) Also a gun is a blunt object which can be used for beating, and can seriously mess someone up.. (Some handguns can have muzzle compensators, mini-flashlights, even mag extensions meant for bashing, then rifles aswell + bayonets..) Remember Defense = Protection, the greatest thing you could do to prevent a threat to yourself is DISTANCE. A gun has greater accuracy at distance and can aswell be used close range. The only downside to guns are people themselves and ammunition, but as stated can be used to beat/stab aswell.
Since apparently where you live, you need a permit. Then try to obtain one. (Your best option.) (....If you have a good sense of morality and intelligence.)

If you're anti-gun(which most of the time is illogical.) Then maybe take some Kali Eskrima(think i spelled it right?). Use a baton as a primary, and have a knife on you but only as secondary, if you truely want to take the less-lethal route, also more safe route.
BTW martial arts, atleast a good-decent portion of modernized "Tournament" style fighting. Can possibly aswell get you killed in the real-world.

Lastly, WHY are you using a knife for non-lethal situations!
If you were to pull a knife on me, I will not hesitate to take your life given the chance, since mine(or others) are in danger and I do not know your intention.
You pull that knife, you use it to its full extent, then seek EMS(always) for yourself and the attacker. Otherwise you may end up dead.
Same applies with any weapons being used in a serious attack. Dont use any weapon foolishy, if you're going to pull it out, it better be the right situation. Know how to use it properlly and fully, and to do so if you intend on pulling it out..

Hope everyone reading takes all this ^ to heart.

OH almost forgot myself, a taser or mace are good for self-defense aswell.. Also they ARE LETHAL. Just Less-Lethal depending on the person lol.. (ex: bad cardio / allergic reaction.)


When you're in a fight, even if well practiced, those wrestling moves, grappling, and boxing you could still have the weapon turned against yourself by them or even yourself. Weren't you ever told: Dont run with Sciccors lol? Not because you're incompetent with it, but because shit happens even if you're fully aware sometimes.

But thats true for every weapon...even the human body. I cant tell u how many times people have turned my own punches againsts me..

Also a gun is a blunt object which can be used for beating, and can seriously mess someone up.. (Some handguns can have muzzle compensators, mini-flashlights, even mag extensions meant for bashing, then rifles aswell + bayonets..)

lol, who hits people upside the head with a gun? that may work in the movies, but in the USA, people arent trained to use guns like that. The rest sounds like military exclusive guns..

the greatest thing you could do to prevent a threat to yourself is DISTANCE. A gun has greater accuracy at distance and can aswell be used close range. The only downside to guns are people themselves and ammunition, but as stated can be used to beat/stab aswell.
Since apparently where you live, you need a permit. Then try to obtain one. (Your best option.) (....If you have a good sense of morality and intelligence.)


but thats the thing with guns. u need distance.In the USA, its illegal to use a gun on a person if they are unarmed. The only times u can really use a gun is if they have a knife or gun on them. The problem starts when your being robbed, raped, or held at gun point. This all happens unexpectedly, and the distance factor ends.Robbers dont rob people 40 yards away, its 4 inches away. Same with rapers, ect. To be able to pull out a gun while struggling with a raper, or at gunpoint is risky-though i have seen it done.And when people are that close to you, its anybody's game whether u have a knife or a gun. but knifes dont have to be aimed as accuratly as guns, and you can draw them faster and use to take out people in those close range. Add a little grappling skills, and you may even be able to disarm the enemy while you add a few lethal neck strikes of your own. (knifes are cheaper then guns to)

Lastly, WHY are you using a knife for non-lethal situations!
If you were to pull a knife on me, I will not hesitate to take your life given the chance, since mine(or others) are in danger and I do not know your intention.
You pull that knife, you use it to its full extent, then seek EMS(always) for yourself and the attacker. Otherwise you may end up dead.
Same applies with any weapons being used in a serious attack. Dont use any weapon foolishy, if you're going to pull it out, it better be the right situation. Know how to use it properlly and fully, and to do so if you intend on pulling it out..


generally, when im refering to self defense with weapons, the enemy is usually backed up by buddies, or has a gun or knife himself. If i truly advocated winning every fight with a knife, then i would just be a ninja. "live by honor.kill by stealth"-Tenchu

OH almost forgot myself, a taser or mace are good for self-defense aswell

wow, i had no idea a taser was available to the public...and legal for citizens to use when ever? that would make a nice stun, then follow up with elbows and knees, if the enemy fights back, spray/shock him again then continue your beating Or shock/stun and slit thier throat with a knife . Not quite sure if that willl hold up as self defense in court though.... peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:

is a knife the best weapon a civilian can have for self defense?

isnt it the most versitile weapon? doesnt it flow with all forms of combat?

think about it, its easy to conceal, easy to use, easy to master, and it goes with every fighting style/martial art.

You can use it for boxing, just hold the knife out to the side in your fists and every punch become a potential cut!

You can use it for wreslting, use that knife to cut your way out of holds, create openings for summissions, and even annoy the enemy with cuts to his fingers.

This can be used for tradition styles as well, ever heard of the infamouse knife hand block/ chop? Well, just use a real knife for the technique .:lol: .

the knife can be used to block attacks, trap them, cut, stab, bruise, ect. And unlike a gun, you dont need a permit and u dont have to kill your opponent-cuts below the waist are non-lethal. U know how muay thai guys love to kick the leg to slow down opponent? well. cutting the leg is even more effective. You can cut right through muscle tissue and slow down your opponent...

You can also throw a knife is u are accurate enough, so it can be used as a long range weapon to. Your thoughs on my new discovery? peace over war


haha true indeed. Would you really recommend however...everyone carry knives? It does cause lots of problems when a knife is in the hands of some idiot kids who end up stabbing eachother.


you know, i have often thought about this, and not just knifes, but guns, swords, other weapons, drugs,ect. I cant give an honest answer. Criminals generally sway away form armed victims, or even strong looking victims.But ofcourse, if everybody is carring a weapon, more people will die form that weapon. But i dont know how it will effect the crime rate, or even the social structure...its a very fasinating idea, but it could have dire consequences (especially for the police) . peace over war
Posted 2/13/10

JJT2 wrote:


Rina-San wrote:


JJT2 wrote:

is a knife the best weapon a civilian can have for self defense?

isnt it the most versitile weapon? doesnt it flow with all forms of combat?

think about it, its easy to conceal, easy to use, easy to master, and it goes with every fighting style/martial art.

You can use it for boxing, just hold the knife out to the side in your fists and every punch become a potential cut!

You can use it for wreslting, use that knife to cut your way out of holds, create openings for summissions, and even annoy the enemy with cuts to his fingers.

This can be used for tradition styles as well, ever heard of the infamouse knife hand block/ chop? Well, just use a real knife for the technique .:lol: .

the knife can be used to block attacks, trap them, cut, stab, bruise, ect. And unlike a gun, you dont need a permit and u dont have to kill your opponent-cuts below the waist are non-lethal. U know how muay thai guys love to kick the leg to slow down opponent? well. cutting the leg is even more effective. You can cut right through muscle tissue and slow down your opponent...

You can also throw a knife is u are accurate enough, so it can be used as a long range weapon to. Your thoughs on my new discovery? peace over war


haha true indeed. Would you really recommend however...everyone carry knives? It does cause lots of problems when a knife is in the hands of some idiot kids who end up stabbing eachother.


you know, i have often thought about this, and not just knifes, but guns, swords, other weapons, drugs,ect. I cant give an honest answer. Criminals generally sway away form armed victims, or even strong looking victims.But ofcourse, if everybody is carring a weapon, more people will die form that weapon. But i dont know how it will effect the crime rate, or even the social structure...its a very fasinating idea, but it could have dire consequences (especially for the police) . peace over war


There are other things such as the steel baton (clips onto your carkeys quite easily), pepper spray....whatever. Every weapon has its pros and cons. All down to personal preferance...and how you use it.

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JJT2 wrote:

When you're in a fight, even if well practiced, those wrestling moves, grappling, and boxing you could still have the weapon turned against yourself by them or even yourself. Weren't you ever told: Dont run with Sciccors lol? Not because you're incompetent with it, but because shit happens even if you're fully aware sometimes.

But thats true for every weapon...even the human body. I cant tell u how many times people have turned my own punches againsts me..

Also a gun is a blunt object which can be used for beating, and can seriously mess someone up.. (Some handguns can have muzzle compensators, mini-flashlights, even mag extensions meant for bashing, then rifles aswell + bayonets..)

lol, who hits people upside the head with a gun? that may work in the movies, but in the USA, people arent trained to use guns like that. The rest sounds like military exclusive guns..

the greatest thing you could do to prevent a threat to yourself is DISTANCE. A gun has greater accuracy at distance and can aswell be used close range. The only downside to guns are people themselves and ammunition, but as stated can be used to beat/stab aswell.
Since apparently where you live, you need a permit. Then try to obtain one. (Your best option.) (....If you have a good sense of morality and intelligence.)


but thats the thing with guns. u need distance.In the USA, its illegal to use a gun on a person if they are unarmed. The only times u can really use a gun is if they have a knife or gun on them. The problem starts when your being robbed, raped, or held at gun point. This all happens unexpectedly, and the distance factor ends.Robbers dont rob people 40 yards away, its 4 inches away. Same with rapers, ect. To be able to pull out a gun while struggling with a raper, or at gunpoint is risky-though i have seen it done.And when people are that close to you, its anybody's game whether u have a knife or a gun. but knifes dont have to be aimed as accuratly as guns, and you can draw them faster and use to take out people in those close range. Add a little grappling skills, and you may even be able to disarm the enemy while you add a few lethal neck strikes of your own. (knifes are cheaper then guns to)

Lastly, WHY are you using a knife for non-lethal situations!
If you were to pull a knife on me, I will not hesitate to take your life given the chance, since mine(or others) are in danger and I do not know your intention.
You pull that knife, you use it to its full extent, then seek EMS(always) for yourself and the attacker. Otherwise you may end up dead.
Same applies with any weapons being used in a serious attack. Dont use any weapon foolishy, if you're going to pull it out, it better be the right situation. Know how to use it properlly and fully, and to do so if you intend on pulling it out..


generally, when im refering to self defense with weapons, the enemy is usually backed up by buddies, or has a gun or knife himself. If i truly advocated winning every fight with a knife, then i would just be a ninja. "live by honor.kill by stealth"-Tenchu

OH almost forgot myself, a taser or mace are good for self-defense aswell

wow, i had no idea a taser was available to the public...and legal for citizens to use when ever? that would make a nice stun, then follow up with elbows and knees, if the enemy fights back, spray/shock him again then continue your beating Or shock/stun and slit thier throat with a knife . Not quite sure if that willl hold up as self defense in court though.... peace over war


(ITS LONG I KNOW LOL, SORRY.)

Well lol you're own body is different from a weapon being turned against you, since its literally apart of you and your means of fighting.
If you're losing w/ just those, I wouldnt consider using something even more deadly such as a knife or baton.

Also people do "bash" in reality with guns, but I dont mean "pistol whip" like in the movies lol.. Next time you're in a gun store or have one around(unloaded of couse) just give yourself a good tap on the head and imagine being hit/hitting someone with it. Honestly the public probably has more options than the military does on customizing their guns. Sure they all get full-auto, brand new toys n' stuff but we get the aftermarket pluses i guess you could say lol...

There is no law saying its illegal to use a gun on a person if they're unarmed. Maybe your state has that law, but nationally or in my state, no.
In those situations, the majority of the time you should be able to sense that danger, that somethings not right and get in the mindset of defense and be prepared for it. Although, people a lot of the times put themselves in dumb positions of easily being raped/robbed and be oblivious to danger. In every position of being attacked by "ambush" (thats what we'll call it since the attack would be a surprise and up close for any angle.) The best thing to do is to get out of it immediatly, because you were attacked at a weakened state where they have the advantage. The best option and practically only, is to strike back quickly and to distance/get away from that position(while continueing the fight.) and then eventually either getting away and or putting down the enemy at distance in a better position.

Now in a scenario of rape or robbery, what do you do?
You were just caught off-guard, from any angle and guy is up close w/ a gun. You can give in and spread you butt-cheeks, but hey after he has his way with you, or gets your money, (BTW in robberies give them what they want, if they dont immediatly leave, you attack and or run) whats to stop him from shooting you even then, after he gets whatever he/they want? Hopefully they leave, if not then what do ya do?
Well saying you have a knife on you, and its one guy but he still has a knife or a gun, that situation went from defense to a stand-off where your life is not getting away from that danger and now if he dies, there might be consequences for you.
Then if theres more than one and or he has a gun, you lost the second you pulled that knife.
Now if you have a gun, even then once you pull it you're close and its just going to turn into a bloody mess, you'll most likely get shot, and they'll most likely get shot at that distance (If both parties actually know how to use a gun lol..) So you first RUN and if they have a gun you Strafe as much as possible to avoid a well aimed shot, then while running pull your gun and Return Fire(not well aimed shots obviously) and seek cover to give you the upper hand since you were most likely ambushed in the open, in an alley or along those long, and once you find that closest cover and return fire, they'll either still be there, running the opposite way(not getting to cover - but to just get away) or chasing you, but now you won that fight. Since if they're chasing you, your now the one ambushing them behind cover attacking them with the upperhand when they're in the open.
Yea guns are more expensive, but you can find them cheaper.. I got my 9x18 Makarov for $200 and its very reliable and not some cheap gun that will fail on me.. I suppose its just me, but the last thing i want to happend with a knife in my hand is wrestling with someone. That can turn bad really fast in my opinion.

Well ninja's dont defend, they attack lol.. I dont think going out killing rapists and robbers will fly well in a court haha.. but thats if you get caught ;P
and you should advocate to win every fight, gotta have that mindset. Everything in life is first won or lost mentally before it even begins.

Also lol you're continueing the fight, in a court they'd say after you stunned him, why did you fight? Why did you not run and seek help?
If theres more than one thats understandle.
ill wrap this up >_< got way longer than i planned.
YES you can buy tasers, they make numerous types with numerous voltages, they even make brass knuckle tasers.
Mace aswell, they made different "Grades" of mace some stonger some not, some to shoot far, some close.
Posted 2/13/10
A knife? Where's the distance? If a guy has a gun aimed at you and is 15 feet away, you're doomed with a knife, sure you can throw it, but it might not take him out. Besides, theres an expression: Never bring a knife to a gunfight.
An even better expression: Never run into a gunfight and think you're gonna survive. Its interchangeable with knife fight too
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A knife is a really good self defense weapon, if you are going against someone who is unarmed, or if the person is close enough to your strike distance. The gun, of course, still pwned it.
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I am in favor of heavily armed idiots that are willing to reduce the population by eliminating anyone that is more stupid than they are. Hand grenades are a great crowd pleaser that can thin the herd quickly and God can still sort them out at His leisure.

One thing to remember, in this world, there will always be someone that is Stronger, Faster, and Nastier than the last person you just met.

Personally, I think cartoon porn is a more interesting topic.
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weapons are for cowards IMO. I wouldn't favor any weapon that can harm you severely versus just fighting with your hands. at least you'll live when you're fighting with your hands [depending on how hard a individual punches though & where].


Yeah and death is for the dead
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JJT2 wrote:


johnkx wrote:

Weapons are made for war not self-defense or anything.

I think the best weapon for a civilian is a gun.. Shoot = BAM, dead.. why bring a knife if someone can outpower you? what if your a skinny girl and a big guy with big muscles starts to attack you and you only got 5 seconds left before he attacks you. that 5 seconds you have can be used to defend yourself.. 1 second to lift, 3 seconds to aim. 1 second to pull that trigger into that mofo's head.


lol, guns dont work very well close range, a smart fighter will simply take control of the gun if it is within range, especially if the enemy is weaker. the average gun fight only last 5 secs. And most americans dont practice their aim or drawing skills with the gun. So they r bad aimers, and take to long to draw.Guns are like martial arts- they need to be practiced,perfected, and evolving everyday.peace over war


well yeah, i guess your right. It takes skills to hold a gun and it doesn't work in close range. But if you continue to run and shoot you'll eventually hit. I guess it depends on who's doing it.
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I'd used karate instead of a knife since karate was made for to protect against weapons
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Weapons were made to inflict damage and or immobilize someone. A knife is a really double edged weapon. Sure, it poses fatal threats, but I see it as a handicap because most (IF NOT ALL) your attacks with be from whichever hand your using. Concentrating on 1 threat is better than having to predict, say, a boxer's punches. Also, if it was your knife versus my fists, you'd be disarmed before you could say,
"En guard!"
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Ugh. Knives.

Now i'm not naive enough to say 'avoid violence all the time', because that's impossible unless the place you live is really quite nice (And a long way from here). However what I will say is that a knife is not a 'I'll just wound him' weapon. If you stab someone, there's a very good chance that he will die. As has been said previously, cut a vein or artery and the guy will bleed out fast, and even with serious knife training there's a good chance that you WILL cut a vein or artery.

It depends on your area but these days it's dangerous at night, there's no denying that. Living in England we have a huge problem with knife crime, but I have never, nor will I ever carry one. In a scuffle, if you don't know what you're doing there's as much chance of the knife being turned on you as there is on the other guy, adding weight to the saying 'Don't introduce a weapon to a fight you're not in control of'. Not to mention the minute you bring out a knife the fight just became deadly, rather than a fight with a chance of being deadly.

I've had my share of violence, more than my share even, and so far the worst i've had has been shallow cuts and a broken jaw, but one day my luck might run out. If I never have to fight again i'll be a happier man for it. I might get slated for saying this but i'm going to anyway: Try and avoid violence whenever you can. Talk your way out of it, bribe, whatever. Use your head before your fists. Sometimes it doesn't work, but you'd be surprised how often it DOES work, and quite frankly i'd rather give up a packet of cigarettes or 20 quid than several pints of blood.

Too many bastard teenagers on the streets now with a knife or a bat and thinking they're shit hot. Do the world a fucking favour and don't become one of them.
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