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Posted 2/24/10

There is a question I have in mind since long time, I hope I could express it well...

I wonder If it wasn't an inspiration or a revelation of God, would a man be able to come up with the concept of one Supreme Being (Allah/God) ?


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Real_ZERO wrote:


There is a question I have in mind since long time, I hope I could express it well...

I wonder If it wasn't an inspiration or a revelation of God, would a man be able to come up with the concept of one Supreme Being (Allah/God) ?




'Well lets look at the fact.. Man has always seek out answers for things they do not understand. IN early times they even created Gods to explain lightning, volcanoes, and the sun/moon. Example, a abject that floats in the sky and brings us light so that are plants can grow, and we can see. This can only be the work of some powerful being. Hence a God is born, from the mind of man.. later stories are created for this god and past on to their children. Who then pass it on to there children and so on. Later those people meet up with others who also created there own gods and they fight, over what god is the true god. The winning group forces there god and its stories on to the children of the group they beat down.. Further strengthening there God/religion. Once people learn to create writing those stories of there god are placed in scriptures. Or On walls, stone tablets and statues. They even give the gods faces so they can better Identify with them.
Over time the God evolves to better Identify with the people of the time. Hence how a people can and will come up with a god.

Later I explain how guilt is used as a tool much like a virus to keep people coming back to the religion. No I don't think I will.. I just let a expert in that field explain it. Hmm.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajdwru77hnc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrM6knrz5Cg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8n654iuFy4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NoqsTiKX3g&feature=related
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Posted 2/24/10
no god.
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Thank you, and how inspiering might I add.

Well to be back on topic, yes I do believe that humanity has the ability to create the image of god, look at the progress our gods have made through the years.

The first kind of gods were natural spirits, special trees/rock/area's were marked as ''spirit/gods'' and were praised (talking about pre-history)
Now then the Egyptians and Hetiten, they were polytheistic, believed that objects like the sun and moon were gods, and believed in gods like Osiris who ruled the afterlife (invisible gods), also these gods were very human-like, they had emotions, had quarrels with eachother.

Then a new god came from the Hebrew people, in the old testament this god is also very human-like, He is cruel, jealos and full of miserable hatred.

Then the Greeks, them polytheists also created gods with very much emotions, heck even wars were fought between gods in their mythology.

And finally Christianity and the Islam, their gods are very very distant, they almost have no emotions, only love and hate remain, no jealosy, no rivalry.

Why this development? Simple: because we develop ourselfs, right now we could put up a good fight versus the acient gods, I would love to see zeus face as we throw a nuke in it, we might not beat them, but were pretty close to them.

Now do you want a god who is almost weaker then yourself? No way... then create a other more stronger and less human-alike god.

Science, development means coming closer to the power of ''gods'', Perhaps thats why in the dark-ages the catholic church was so against science, because it would turn people away from their faith.

So yes, we are able too imagine Gods and spirits, as you can se through our and the gods development.
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Why is this question just for atheists? It should be for rational people too.

The answer to the question is simply yes. But it depends on what you mean by "God," I think a higher power most people feel is what compels people to create deities, religion and spirituality in general. And that higher power best described by Gandhi is just generically "love, righteousness, truth, supreme benevolence, etc." Without feeling that this higher power must exist people would probably not be as compelled to make up conclusions.
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Tiihihi, now that's a truly contributing post, bitternail.

I don't think there's any image man can't plant into it's own head.

The image of a supreme being isn't something that sprouted a hundred years ago and immediately was as is now.
Looking back on the history lessons earlier posters wrote; the images of "our" supreme beings are just honed versions of the supreme beings older civilizations used to honor.

It's an evolved version of the gods that were created to explain natural and chemical phenomena in times they couldn't be explained naturally.
At least, that's my take on things.
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I would have to say yes. Human are capable of creating a concept of god in their mind... And it does not need an atheist to answer so. I have thought only three reasons on why should a man have the capability to come up with the concept of god:

One reason is because man seeks answer. Why is there a lightning? That is just one question that man in the old times wanted to answer until before it was explained by science. Man may then seek to nature for answer and that may form animistic religion like Shinto. Babylonians had 4000+ gods with Marduk at the top pointing out to almost everything in nature. And the trend goes on... Buddhism is not actually a religion but it's Mahayana sect considered Buddha to be a god. The Hinayana sect then seeks enlightenment.

The second reason would be because men seeks control. Hinduism believes in karma. That if you do bad, your afterlife form would be a rodent which is why people with Hindu faith treats rodents like human. And that if you do good, you will be reborn as an elephant [see. Ganesha ^_^]. In 'other' religion, there is the hell and heaven. In the middle ages, some priests used the concept of god to do corrupt deeds and they used god to infantilize people to easily control them.

The final reason would be simply to escape. Escapism is a natural form of comfort by many people. Buddhism rose in China during Han dynasty as a form of comfort.

So in all, religion is a useful tool. And by the way, any rational being would wonder. And that wonder would lead to questions... Then the concept of god.
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I think that the concept of God as introduced to the world through Judaism (and spread by Christianity and Islam,) was definitely beyond its time. It was not, as Dark Phoenix argues, a matter of starting with a simple deity and building it up. If anything, the later additions only served to dumb down the initial genius.

However, the concept of God as introduced to the world by Hinduism was equally revolutionary, if not more so. Yet, these ideas are mutually exclusive. The atman of Brahma cannot be if the I-ness of Elohim is. The I-ness of Elohim cannot be if the atman of Brahma is.

We have two amazing revolutions demonstrating lines of thought and metaphysical musing well beyond their time, yet they cannot both have been from God unless God is a liar or a terrible teacher. Since I do not believe he is either of these things, I am forced to conclude that one concept was devised independently by man even if the other was divinely revealed.

Thus, my answer is yes, if you care to hear it. I agree with Yei.


EDIT:

To address this argument that man could’ve created the concept of God without divine revelation because man seeks answers:

I don’t think it’s a very reasonable approach. The ability to ask in no way follows with the ability to produce a comprehensive answer.
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Well there are over fifty gods added up from all the different races

so yea, they can
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Daniel9878 wrote:

Well there are over fifty gods added up from all the different races

so yea, they can


Over the years their has been over 5,000,000 Gods. Their is over 50 different gods just in the Christian groups.


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There is no indication of any god or gods or hell goddesses, so it is logical to assume that humans are easily capable of dreaming up nonexistent rubbish just using their imagination when dealing with matters. We're a species that doesn't like uncertainty. Some come to terms with open uncertainty, the cowards simply try to fill the void with vivid dreams of a nonexistent fabric.
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Posted 2/28/10

Real_ZERO wrote:


There is a question I have in mind since long time, I hope I could express it well...

I wonder If it wasn't an inspiration or a revelation of God, would a man be able to come up with the concept of one Supreme Being (Allah/God) ?




yes, people come up with gods all of the time...i think michael jackson was worshiped as a demi god, so gods can be physical in nature...peace over war
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DerfelCadarn wrote:

There is no indication of any god or gods or hell goddesses, so it is logical to assume that humans are easily capable of dreaming up nonexistent rubbish just using their imagination when dealing with matters. We're a species that doesn't like uncertainty. Some come to terms with open uncertainty, the cowards simply try to fill the void with vivid dreams of a nonexistent fabric.

That sounds just about right.
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Well, before science as we know it came about, people would have wondered how we got here, what were the moon and stars, how do the trees grow ect.
When they couldn't explain it they put it to something beyond them, so there was a god for the sky, a good for the trees and so forth.

Once you have that, all else may follow. Us humans are very argumentative beings, and so you'll have got a few people saying "I think the tree god and the sky god are one and the same" and they gathered following.

I suppose that when it comes down to it, one God is more logical than many... with polytheism it's difficult to picture how such beings would interact. Did they all come from the same place? If there are wars between them, why are they so godlike at all? Things like that.

I'm no expert but this is my stab at the question.
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