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Entitlement VS Altruism
Posted 2/26/10 , edited 3/7/10
I gotta give due credits to the majority of the human race for somehow having the ability to behave both irresponsibly and irrationally. And thanks to the mechanism of monetary incentive, we now have the perfect vehicle to reward/condemn/screw ourselves with our own irresponsible and irrational behaviors. All because that's not how our evolutionary marvel of a human brain naturally motivates itself, and here's why.

In the book called SWAY: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior, written by Ori & Rom Brafman, it mentioned about a NIH research had discovered the region of the human brain that anticipates rewards, called the nucleus accumbens. Assuming this relatively primitive part of our brain is what's responsible for our entitlement behaviors, such as shopaholic, alcoholic, and substances abuse. We can see just how it came a long sway from its original function favored by nature, as an organ that produces sexual desire as well as monogamy/commitment in a relationship.

However, the book also mentioned another research that discovered the region which rewards us when we socialize with one another, called the posterior superior temporal sulcus. This relatively new part of our brain is also capable of perceiving complex social interactions, thus it's responsible for our altruistic behaviors. In other words, this is where nature's intention of The Golden Rule(aka tit-for-tat) resides.

So what seems to be the problem here? Well according to the book, not only did the two regions of our brains respond to different situations, the entitlement central of our brain can hijack our altruistic self, whenever we were anticipating a reward for us being social. Flashback to a 1972 educational experiment for alternative teaching, nicknamed the Commie High, when they wanted to increase student attendance, they decided to have their teachers to brainstorm some ideas and reward their results in the form of monetary incentives. The end results of this experimentation were more field-trips and in-class-parties, which did boost the annual attendance record from 59% to 72%, but GPA took a nosedive for that year alone from 2.71 to 2.18. All the while they were the only school with that mismatching results for that year.

The book itself also demonstrated several other irrational behaviors such as "loss aversion (our tendency to go to great lengths to avoid possible losses), value attribution (our inclination to imbue a person or thing with certain qualities based on initial perceived value), and the diagnosis bias (our blindness to all evidence that contradicts our initial assessment of a person or situation)". However this particular part regarding motivation via incentive really interests me, because I can't help but seeing how it mirrors to my own psychology of happiness theory. When I was puzzled at how can something like the monetary incentive, which thought to be morally good because it was supposed to "encourage individual accomplishments", can actually do us more harms than good by making us irresponsible and irrational.

Not only that, this empirical knowledge in neurophysiology shall aid me to my ultimate goal, which is:

I think our human civilization can be remodeled based on human engineering by nature's design, when we can understand our human nature by us knowing how our human mind works.
This is a great time for science.
Posted 2/26/10
This reminds me of nature and nurture, though it is a bit different. We often do irrational things no matter how stupid they may be since we have only come so far from the jungle. Each person has their own ratio of doing things rationally versus irrationally and it depends on conditioning. If we were raised a certain way, we act according to that.
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I gotta give due credits to the majority of the human race for somehow having the ability to behave both irresponsibly and irrationally. And thanks to the mechanism of monetary incentive, we now have the perfect vehicle to reward/condemn/screw ourselves with our own irresponsible and irrational behaviors. All because that's not how our evolutionary marvel of a human brain naturally motivates itself, and here's why.

In the book called SWAY: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior, written by Ori & Rom Brafman, it mentioned about a NIH research had discovered the region of the human brain that anticipates rewards, called the nucleus accumbens. Assuming this relatively primitive part of our brain is what's responsible for our entitlement behaviors, such as shopaholic, alcoholic, and substances abuse. We can see just how it came a long sway from its original function favored by nature, as an organ that produces sexual desire as well as monogamy/commitment in a relationship.

However, the book also mentioned another research that discovered the region which rewards us when we socialize with one another, called the posterior superior temporal sulcus. This relatively new part of our brain is also capable of perceiving complex social interactions, thus it's responsible for our altruistic behaviors. In other words, this is where nature's intention of The Golden Rule(aka tit-for-tat) resides.

So what seems to be the problem here? Well according to the book, not only did the two regions of our brains respond to different situations, the entitlement central of our brain can hijack our altruistic self, whenever we were anticipating a reward for us being social. Flashback to a 1972 educational experiment for alternative teaching, nicknamed the Commie High, when they wanted to increase student attendance, they decided to have their teachers to brainstorm some ideas and reward their results in the form of monetary incentives. The end results of this experimentation were more field-trips and in-class-parties, which did boost the annual attendance record from 59% to 72%, but GPA took a nosedive for that year alone from 2.71 to 2.18. All the while they were the only school with that mismatching results for that year.

The book itself also demonstrated several other irrational behaviors such as "loss aversion (our tendency to go to great lengths to avoid possible losses), value attribution (our inclination to imbue a person or thing with certain qualities based on initial perceived value), and the diagnosis bias (our blindness to all evidence that contradicts our initial assessment of a person or situation)". However this particular part regarding motivation via incentive really interests me, because I can't help but seeing how it mirrors to my own psychology of happiness theory. When I was puzzled at how can something like the monetary incentive, which thought to be morally good because it was supposed to "encourage individual accomplishments", can actually do us more harms than good by making us irresponsible and irrational.

Not only that, this empirical knowledge in neurophysiology shall aid me to my ultimate goal, which is:

I think our human civilization can be remodeled based on human engineering by nature's design, when we can understand our human nature by us knowing how our human mind works.
This is a great time for science.


i have a quesion, isnt the USA culture to blame for this because of the cultural ends of money ,power and materialism? Not that monetary gains are intrinsickly evil, but when you base your entire life, purpose, and pursuit of happiness on monetary gains (money,power, and materialism), it becomes an insatiable goal that the vast majority of people get left out of. peace over war
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Posted 2/27/10
motivation through money or power... Never is a good tool for long term civil growth. It only leads to corruption and in the end self destruction. But to change to something that will work better will be hard, because the materialism reword system is much like a virus that is transmitted to you as a kid... Very Harmful and once you get it your unable to think out of that box.. Not realizing their are better ways to motivate ones people that will not ultimately lead to instability and corruption. But then I have already did a mile long report on this in my humanities class little more than 12 years ago. (I got a 98 on it.) (I was a little off because I said in America's case I anticipate a economic collapse in no more than 10 years..)
Posted 2/27/10 , edited 2/27/10

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This reminds me of nature and nurture, though it is a bit different. We often do irrational things no matter how stupid they may be since we have only come so far from the jungle. Each person has their own ratio of doing things rationally versus irrationally and it depends on conditioning. If we were raised a certain way, we act according to that.
And it's funny that you mentioned it, because I also wrote a topic based on the same theme. But little did I know, I was merely scratching the surface of a phenomenon called the group dynamic/relation.

I also think that human condition is caused by human behavior, and individually we can only behave what came as natural to us as individuals. However when individuals were introduced into a group situation, their individuality shifts dynamically. In accordance to them adapting and adopting into certain roles as either initiators, blockers, supporters, or observers. Now each of these roles serves an important function in a group, for while the initiators presents a notion, the blockers OTOH will oppose such notion by offering different perspectives on the same subject. And while the supporters subjectively supporting each perspective with their values, the observers OTOH will objectify all perspectives based on functionality and not merit.

Now let's introduce monetary incentive into this group dynamic as bribes and corruptions, and can you see how that can sway the once supposed to be a democratic decision making process? Suddenly it's whoever that has the biggest monetary resources and backings that can sway the process of democracy, when democracy itself got hijacked by free market. Which leads us to:

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i have a quesion, isnt the USA culture to blame for this because of the cultural ends of money ,power and materialism? Not that monetary gains are intrinsickly evil, but when you base your entire life, purpose, and pursuit of happiness on monetary gains (money,power, and materialism), it becomes an insatiable goal that the vast majority of people get left out of. peace over war
It's not just the US that has the same problem, for you see as long as the mechanism of monetary incentive still exists, the majority will still think that materialism is the pursuit of happiness. Simply because we assigned monetary values onto something, while we were taught by our society that money is important, if not the most important substance in this world.
Posted 2/27/10

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motivation through money or power... Never is a good tool for long term civil growth. It only leads to corruption and in the end self destruction. But to change to something that will work better will be hard, because the materialism reword system is much like a virus that is transmitted to you as a kid... Very Harmful and once you get it your unable to think out of that box.. Not realizing their are better ways to motivate ones people that will not ultimately lead to instability and corruption. But then I have already did a mile long report on this in my humanities class little more than 12 years ago. (I got a 98 on it.) (I was a little off because I said in America's case I anticipate a economic collapse in no more than 10 years..)
Hypothetically speaking, when the minority of human race had acquired overwhelming materials and resources; wealth that's beyond human minimal requirement of survival. Thanks to the mechanism of monetary incentive. What will happen if we simply apply that to the evolution theory? While considering the functionalism of human sustainability.

Just this Thursday I was invited to an Amway seminar, and that's the question that I brought with me, when I confronted the guest speaker. And just to be fair, the guy was asking for it because he seriously wanted to know what are my dreams and desires. So I honestly let him have it, in all seriousness.

And even though he's now retired from the civilian working class thanks to his successful Amway retail business in the free market, the best answer he managed to gave me was something along the line of donate money to charity. And this was after I insisted on the principle of utilitarianism; the greatest good for the greatest number. And in doing so he completely lost my interest and respect, even though he was once a lawyer before he and his wife(who was a cop) signed up to Amway.

Stupid puny humans are stupid. (and yes, I'm a fan of The Incredible Hulk )
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Posted 2/27/10

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

motivation through money or power... Never is a good tool for long term civil growth. It only leads to corruption and in the end self destruction. But to change to something that will work better will be hard, because the materialism reword system is much like a virus that is transmitted to you as a kid... Very Harmful and once you get it your unable to think out of that box.. Not realizing their are better ways to motivate ones people that will not ultimately lead to instability and corruption. But then I have already did a mile long report on this in my humanities class little more than 12 years ago. (I got a 98 on it.) (I was a little off because I said in America's case I anticipate a economic collapse in no more than 10 years..)
Hypothetically speaking, when the minority of human race had acquired overwhelming materials and resources; wealth that's beyond human minimal requirement of survival. Thanks to the mechanism of monetary incentive. What will happen if we simply apply that to the evolution theory? While considering the functionalism of human sustainability.

Just this Thursday I was invited to an Amway seminar, and that's the question that I brought with me, when I confronted the guest speaker. And just to be fair, the guy was asking for it because he seriously wanted to know what are my dreams and desires. So I honestly let him have it, in all seriousness.

And even though he's now retired from the civilian working class thanks to his successful Amway retail business in the free market, the best answer he managed to gave me was something along the line of donate money to charity. And this was after I insisted on the principle of utilitarianism; the greatest good for the greatest number. And in doing so he completely lost my interest and respect, even though he was once a lawyer before he and his wife(who was a cop) signed up to Amway.

Stupid puny humans are stupid. (and yes, I'm a fan of The Incredible Hulk )


As a fellow Hulk fan ( http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/anime/watch/v19733412td6gCYWE ) A gift..


'So did you learn anything worth wile at the seminar? Or was it loosely something of a dressed up Pyramid scheme?'
Posted 2/27/10 , edited 2/27/10

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DomFortress wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

motivation through money or power... Never is a good tool for long term civil growth. It only leads to corruption and in the end self destruction. But to change to something that will work better will be hard, because the materialism reword system is much like a virus that is transmitted to you as a kid... Very Harmful and once you get it your unable to think out of that box.. Not realizing their are better ways to motivate ones people that will not ultimately lead to instability and corruption. But then I have already did a mile long report on this in my humanities class little more than 12 years ago. (I got a 98 on it.) (I was a little off because I said in America's case I anticipate a economic collapse in no more than 10 years..)
Hypothetically speaking, when the minority of human race had acquired overwhelming materials and resources; wealth that's beyond human minimal requirement of survival. Thanks to the mechanism of monetary incentive. What will happen if we simply apply that to the evolution theory? While considering the functionalism of human sustainability.

Just this Thursday I was invited to an Amway seminar, and that's the question that I brought with me, when I confronted the guest speaker. And just to be fair, the guy was asking for it because he seriously wanted to know what are my dreams and desires. So I honestly let him have it, in all seriousness.

And even though he's now retired from the civilian working class thanks to his successful Amway retail business in the free market, the best answer he managed to gave me was something along the line of donate money to charity. And this was after I insisted on the principle of utilitarianism; the greatest good for the greatest number. And in doing so he completely lost my interest and respect, even though he was once a lawyer before he and his wife(who was a cop) signed up to Amway.

Stupid puny humans are stupid. (and yes, I'm a fan of The Incredible Hulk )
'So did you learn anything worth wile at the seminar? Or was it loosely something of a dressed up Pyramid scheme?'
Got the authentic collector DVD for that, as well as the graphic novel which the animation was based on.

It was ultimately a direct market Pyramid scheme through and through, minus the membership fee. You basically became an online retailer by using your own online network as your privatized market. Amway as the supplier will then supply you with their products came straight from the manufacturers, undercutting the existing market via the internet and yourself both as a front and an advertisement. Your earning is thus worked out as advertising endorsements.

This is not a sustainable establishment due to the fact that it's not for everyone, when Amway itself is just a direct market for the manufacturers. This is true because once Amway's direct market became the majority, it will offset the existing free market balance and eliminate everyone else who depends on it. Including the local market and its local community businesses.
Posted 2/27/10


Yes, people do shift in social situations when they encounter different people. One often finds he wants to be cool with numerous folks, although when you are on the good side of some people you might end up on the bad side of others. At work, I have a personality tailored to that, and off work, I am loosened up and free.
Posted 2/27/10

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Yes, people do shift in social situations when they encounter different people. One often finds he wants to be cool with numerous folks, although when you are on the good side of some people you might end up on the bad side of others. At work, I have a personality tailored to that, and off work, I am loosened up and free.
This is why I choose to be at times as an initiator of survival, a blocker of corruption, a supporter of justice, or an observer of balance. I'm happy for the choices that I've made with my life, and I seek those who will share my life together with theirs.
Posted 2/27/10
I GOT IT! The problem is the incentive itself! For "to incent" is the same as "to sway"! All this time we've been monetarily swaying people to perform something that they need to be incentivized into doing with money. But not for the good of the society because of its merit.
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bitter_nail wrote:



Yes, people do shift in social situations when they encounter different people. One often finds he wants to be cool with numerous folks, although when you are on the good side of some people you might end up on the bad side of others. At work, I have a personality tailored to that, and off work, I am loosened up and free.
This is why I choose to be at times as an initiator of survival, a blocker of corruption, a supporter of justice, or an observer of balance. I'm happy for the choices that I've made with my life, and I seek those who will share my life together with theirs.



Those words make you out to be a comic book mad Scientist type bad guy. I find that funny that the guys who are trying to make the world a better place end up in the role of a bad guy. Wile hero's working for a corrupt cause is known to be the good guys in the comics.
Lets defend something that is ultimately going to lead man kind to their doom. That scientist trying to stop that by changing the road we are going down is bad!

Posted 2/28/10

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DomFortress wrote:


bitter_nail wrote:



Yes, people do shift in social situations when they encounter different people. One often finds he wants to be cool with numerous folks, although when you are on the good side of some people you might end up on the bad side of others. At work, I have a personality tailored to that, and off work, I am loosened up and free.
This is why I choose to be at times as an initiator of survival, a blocker of corruption, a supporter of justice, or an observer of balance. I'm happy for the choices that I've made with my life, and I seek those who will share my life together with theirs.



Those words make you out to be a comic book mad Scientist type bad guy. I find that funny that the guys who are trying to make the world a better place end up in the role of a bad guy. Wile hero's working for a corrupt cause is known to be the good guys in the comics.
Lets defend something that is ultimately going to lead man kind to their doom. That scientist trying to stop that by changing the road we are going down is bad!
Why do you think that my ex-girlfriend of 4 years left me?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


bitter_nail wrote:



Yes, people do shift in social situations when they encounter different people. One often finds he wants to be cool with numerous folks, although when you are on the good side of some people you might end up on the bad side of others. At work, I have a personality tailored to that, and off work, I am loosened up and free.
This is why I choose to be at times as an initiator of survival, a blocker of corruption, a supporter of justice, or an observer of balance. I'm happy for the choices that I've made with my life, and I seek those who will share my life together with theirs.



Those words make you out to be a comic book mad Scientist type bad guy. I find that funny that the guys who are trying to make the world a better place end up in the role of a bad guy. Wile hero's working for a corrupt cause is known to be the good guys in the comics.
Lets defend something that is ultimately going to lead man kind to their doom. That scientist trying to stop that by changing the road we are going down is bad!
Why do you think that my ex-girlfriend of 4 years left me?
Some times being single is better... Gives you the chance to explore your self, aka ME TIME.


Posted 3/1/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Some times being single is better... Gives you the chance to explore your self, aka ME TIME.
Back on topic, now that my hometown finished hosting the 6+ billion dollars Olympic 2010, guess who's gonna pick up the tab?

This is what entitlement will do to people; it makes them narrow-minded and bias. When the fact is that while we are humans living on this Earth, it only takes 14 Gold medals, a hockey victory, and a fiscally overpriced Olympic, to make Canadians to be proud of only their nationality for two weeks.

Go Canada.
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