Is Gang life more appealing than Civilian Life?
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is gang life more appealing than civilian life? which life is better? more exciting? more meaningful? pays more? more secure?

By gang life- i mean street gangs, mafias, or any kind of organized crime group.

By civilian- the "normal" like an average citizen is expected to have.

This is of course going to vary from country to country, but considering every country has a gang in it, some universal concepts will remain the same.

In the link im about to show you is about gang life/problems in american society. I doubt its any different in any other country. If u dont want to read the whole thing, then just read the intro and conclusion and you will be ready to discuss this.

http://www.freeonlineresearchpapers.com/gang-mentality

In this article he runs across some concepts which become important to understand for this discussion.

"There are many theories associated with the gang activity and deviance in general, such as the strain theory, differential association, and social control…"

Everyone should already know what social control is, its controlling the population through means of laws, culture, religion, school, peers, ect. To deviante from the "norms" (the means of social control) means to get away from.

The strain theory or anomie thoery just means a state of normlessness (deviante behavior) that an individual meets when trying to adhire to the social means, but fail to do so.

Let me give you a prime example. In the USA everyone is told to grow up and be "sucessful" through getting an education, a job, and family. In the USA sucess is defined as money, power, and materialism. The only problem with that is not everyone can achieve money,power, and materialism because of lack of equal oppertunity and the success goals are jacked up to begin with.those who make 200,000 dollars and more a year make up less then 3% of the entire USA population. So 97% of the population is discontented with being told to get something, but not giving the oppertunities to get it.And these people can choose to keep trying to get the goals through legal means, illegal means, or just forget about the whole thing.
For more information click here-http://www.d.umn.edu/~bmork/2306/Theories/BAManomie.htm

This is just one thoery reguarding why crime happens, there are others though...

Now my quesion is which society is better? gangs or normal society?what does one lack and the other one has?and why? peace over war
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Normal society is better. In country's with less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher
Posted 2/26/10
Depends on how a person works either.
Posted 2/27/10
I'm an experience junkie at best, and I thrive in difficult situation because it requires me to have a sense of survival. Therefore I seek out problem, adversity, and challenges for their own merits; they allow me to feel that I'm alive.

All in all, I'm viewed by today's social norm as a thrill seeker and a troublemaker. But that's only because I don't have the money to prove my worth, when today's society is taught to recognize only the money. And that's true coming from both sides of the laws.

Therefore it's only natural that I need to live a warrior's life, both physically and intellectually so. Which is also why I look down on both the gang and civilian lifestyles, for I detest both their values and standards of life.
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Are we supposed to take a societal view here or focus on the individual? Bitter_nail pointed out, already, that the answer differs from person to person. So if you opt for the individual, you will get no definite answer. If you go for the societal viewpoint, civilian life will prevail for the reasons mentioned before me. Overall, there is little to be gained from criminal lifestyle apart from transient feelings of happiness and primitive romanticism tied up with the erroneous perception of the criminal world and the humans that make it up.
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wrench246 wrote:

Normal society is better. In country's with less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher


this doesnt say anything. Who did they study? the civilians or criminals? and which criminals? the one's locked up or the one's free?And if the country has less crime then the crminals are either too smart to be caught, police make up the crime rates, or there arnt very many criminals there.Either way this data doesnt show which side is happier-civilians or gangsters. peace over war
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'DO to the mod mentality gang type set up would give a person a sense of belonging, and being part of something larger than them selves so most likely the gang set up would make people more happy. As for crime, I do not see any change in Crime rate for ether side. Both today's ideals of a normal society, and the Gangsters society both lead to economic instability and corruption. SO I like to vote for the third choice, a new more scientifically sound society structure.

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JJT2 wrote:


wrench246 wrote:

Normal society is better. In country's with less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher


this doesnt say anything. Who did they study? the civilians or criminals? and which criminals? the one's locked up or the one's free?And if the country has less crime then the crminals are either too smart to be caught, police make up the crime rates, or there arnt very many criminals there.Either way this data doesnt show which side is happier-civilians or gangsters. peace over war


They studied coruntry's like Sweden who have less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher.
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wrench246 wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


wrench246 wrote:

Normal society is better. In country's with less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher


this doesnt say anything. Who did they study? the civilians or criminals? and which criminals? the one's locked up or the one's free?And if the country has less crime then the crminals are either too smart to be caught, police make up the crime rates, or there arnt very many criminals there.Either way this data doesnt show which side is happier-civilians or gangsters. peace over war


They studied coruntry's like Sweden who have less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher.


you havnt answered my quesion though- who's GDP, education, expectance, happiness did they measure?

Did they measure the gangs? and does all of that lead to a good life? What does a GDP,education, life expectance, and happiness have to do with living a good life? peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:


wrench246 wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


wrench246 wrote:

Normal society is better. In country's with less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher


this doesnt say anything. Who did they study? the civilians or criminals? and which criminals? the one's locked up or the one's free?And if the country has less crime then the crminals are either too smart to be caught, police make up the crime rates, or there arnt very many criminals there.Either way this data doesnt show which side is happier-civilians or gangsters. peace over war


They studied coruntry's like Sweden who have less crime their GDP is higher, education is higher, life expectancy is higher, happiness is higher.


you havnt answered my quesion though- who's GDP, education, expectance, happiness did they measure?

Did they measure the gangs? and does all of that lead to a good life? What does a GDP,education, life expectance, and happiness have to do with living a good life? peace over war


The country's GDP. Who else has GDP? The country's ability to educate, life expectancy, and the citizen's happiness.

Gang members' life expectancies are much less than the national average.

Education, happiness, and material goods, all lead to a good life. Do you consider those as factors that contribute to a good life? If not then I have no idea what you define as a "good life"
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