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Is the USA still the number 1 super power on the Earth?
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Posted 3/8/10
The USA is ofcourse the richest country on the world and still has the biggest economy, but is it capable of handeling other strong nations such as China?

The Korean war and ofcourse the Vietnam war have showed that China is capable of summing a great amount of troops (wich pushed back American forces in the Korean war) and capable of supporting their own or other forces shown in the Vietnam war.

But of course the USA still has alot of nuclear weapons, so if an invasion fails then they always he the option to nuke the f*ck out of their enemys.

But the question remains, China is a very capable and strong supernation, with 1.1 billion citizens, 1.1 Billion people!
That a load of people who can take up arms, the USA only has 300 million civilians, china has almost 4 times more people that is a huge huge difference.

A month ago China's stock markets passed Japans markets, making it almost official: China is the second largest world economy, only the difference with the USA is, China's economy is growing and growing and growing at a incredible speed while the US economy is not, infact their in a recession right now.

Of course the future is pretty clear, China will become the leading country in this world, but what about the situation right now?
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Right now it really isn't disputed......

US has the biggest GDP, most money, biggest economy.
US has the biggest military power.
US is the most influential imperial force.
Almost every legitimate source will tell you the US is the leading world superpower.

There's really not much more to say.

China will most-likely be the new superpower in the future. Other contenders are Brazil, Russia and India.
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Yei wrote:

Right now it really isn't disputed......

US has the biggest GDP, most money, biggest economy.
US has the biggest military power.
US is the most influential imperial force.
Almost every legitimate source will tell you the US is the leading world superpower.

There's really not much more to say.

China will most-likely be the new superpower in the future in the future. Other contenders are Brazil, Russia and India.


Right now the US has an incredible fragile economy, I dont know what the exact amount of dept is but 6 months ago it was 13.000 Billion, for the biggest part they are indepted by China.
It is really really questionable if the US economy is stronger then China's.

Now for military power.
Yes the US army is more advanced better trained and technological far more advanced.
But with just 1.4 million people serving for the army they really really lack numbers against a enemy such as China.
Simply put a invasion towards China is impossible because of the lack of numbers.
But China cannot attack either for they have not the quipment. But how long will that take with their economy growing hastely as we speak.

Would USA allies really help the US against forces like China?
Most of the the European country's want everything but war, and I assume that they will not go to war for the US, simply because the US is losing power and has no future as the leading country while China is.
Its a bad investement to go against China as it obviously is the next country that will lead the world as the biggest force.

Are the US allies really that loyal to the US, I don't think so since they didn't want to invade Iraq and didn't support it either, yet America went and still has no support from other country's except the Brits ofcourse.
Posted 3/9/10
With the USSR gone the USA is the only superpower left right now. Now we've got the EU, India, China, and a possible new federation between Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus rising up to potentially tip the scale. Regardless of the outcome of things, this will all make a very interesting story. Here we gooooo!
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Posted 3/9/10

amersfoort wrote:

Now for military power.
Yes the US army is more advanced better trained and technological far more advanced.
But with just 1.4 million people serving for the army they really really lack numbers against a enemy such as China.
Simply put a invasion towards China is impossible because of the lack of numbers.
But China cannot attack either for they have not the quipment. But how long will that take with their economy growing hastely as we speak.


You haven't taken into account these two factors:

1. Not every single civilian is able to participate in a war

2. In modern war, military strength isn't so much dependent on how many waves of soldiers you can send out, but rather how many bombs/missiles/etc you can afford to make and use

Considering these factors, I don't think it's so easy to determine who would win, although it is mainly because I haven't done any research on this subject.
Posted 3/9/10
The U.S. is considered to be a failed state. My answer is ultimately; no.
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Posted 3/10/10
China will never become a superpower in this century. India on the other hand will be.

A country is only capable of doing what its culture will permit. For millenia China has failed at industrialization even though it had every ability to become the first industrialized nation in the world, because of the deep rooted Confucian traditions, that states that the greatest virtue is service to the state and government. It was only with the recent introduction of Western thought and philosophy that China has become industrialized. What you people don't realize is that it takes decades even centuries for a countries economy to develop significantly. For example the industrialization of Japan, which by WWII, their economy was still that of a second world nation.

And population means nothing when it comes to industrialization. In a world where human labor is slowly becoming redundant as machines are taking over human jobs every generation, the United States is still capable of out producing China.

If the highly unlikely chance that China and the US would go to war, I say unlikely because both consider one another major trading partners. The US would most likely win, if the US has a good casus belli. America's ability to wage a war and win it is depend on the mood of the public, which is fickle in nature. China is not capable of war on a grand scale, they simply don't have the logistics for it, their navy has trouble operating just a few miles from their coastline.
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By the definition of superpower I found on wiki

A superpower is a state with a leading position in the international system and the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests; it is traditionally considered to be one step higher than a great power.

So, China is already superpower, but at this time they have no need to attack other countries, unlike US, to prove it, because they dont depend so much on what is going on in other countries. They are mostly exporters, not importers. If we want to compare two countries, look at how much stuff in ones home is "made in china", and how much is "made in USA". Especially if you are not american. So to say that china is not industrialized is stupid - how could they produce tons of goods without industry? or are lacoste shoes I wear at the moment hand made? If they are, all the better.
Chinas biggest problem was west: they colonized her (including US - one of the rare colonies they had were in China), raped her and pillaged her. Then there was the stupidest commie thing ever: cultural revolution - stupid attempt to make people more equal, which made china one of the most backward countries ever.
But now they opened themselves to the world, and they allowed import, and became great participants in open market, so who can stop them? If you compare it to america - what products are exactly "made in USA"?
As for military, when two nuclear powers go to war, we can only expect nuclear holocaust, technology and number of soldiers is not important. And what exactly do we really know about chinas military and their technology?
I think america is number one super power, but only in military terms, and that is because america is at the moment the only superpower that needs military to protect their interests outside its borders. I dont want to challenge if that is right or wrong, or why is it so, but it is a fact.
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Yes, The USA Still is...although in a few years china will probaly be the new super power......There moving towards a democracy, and when that happens USA will probaly be overwhelmed
Posted 3/10/10
ha ha ha ha no we have not won a war since ww2 and we had to rely on allies and nukes to win that.
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Posted 3/11/10 , edited 3/11/10

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

ha ha ha ha no we have not won a war since ww2 and we had to rely on allies and nukes to win that.


Yeah that is funny The US spends more Money on their military than the rest of the world put together yet they have not been able to really win a war! The US also has one of the highest rates for Friendly Fire. But that is what you get wen your military consist of mostly gang bangers or thug wannabees.

If they spent half that money on something else other than there military they could have fixed this trouble we Americans are in now.
We would not ow China over 8 trillion, we have paid back a lot of the former debts, and we have money to spend on building the economy.

How can we say we are a world power, wen we are so dependent on the rest of the world. If China cut us off America would crash.. If Japan cut us off America would crash, Hell If Canada cut off America, America would fall. Without Americas trading partners, America would be in shit loads of trouble. Thanks to bad leadership, and choices for the last 70+ years

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

ha ha ha ha no we have not won a war since ww2 and we had to rely on allies and nukes to win that.


Yeah that is funny The US spends more Money on their military than the rest of the world put together yet they have not been able to really win a war! The US also has one of the highest rates for Friendly Fire. But that is what you get wen your military consist of mostly gang bangers or thug wannabees.

If they spent half that money on something else other than there military they could have fixed this trouble we Americans are in now.
We would not ow China over 8 trillion, we have paid back a lot of the former debts, and we have money to spend on building the economy.

How can we say we are a world power, wen we are so dependent on the rest of the world. If China cut us off America would crash.. If Japan cut us off America would crash, Hell If Canada cut off America, America would fall. Without Americas trading partners, America would be in shit loads of trouble. Thanks to bad leadership, and choices for the last 70+ years



The US actually has one of the poorest trained military in the world, because we can afford it, we have size and technology to make up for the lack of training our troops receive. Canada has a better trained military, not only are there servicemen better trained, but they're far more professional.

So what if the US owes money to China? We owe money to several other nations, it's not a big deal, the media just plays it off as such.

It's called globalization, a consequence of capitalism. Also a form of cultural imperialism.
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Posted 3/12/10

Hawker wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

ha ha ha ha no we have not won a war since ww2 and we had to rely on allies and nukes to win that.


Yeah that is funny The US spends more Money on their military than the rest of the world put together yet they have not been able to really win a war! The US also has one of the highest rates for Friendly Fire. But that is what you get wen your military consist of mostly gang bangers or thug wannabees.

If they spent half that money on something else other than there military they could have fixed this trouble we Americans are in now.
We would not ow China over 8 trillion, we have paid back a lot of the former debts, and we have money to spend on building the economy.

How can we say we are a world power, wen we are so dependent on the rest of the world. If China cut us off America would crash.. If Japan cut us off America would crash, Hell If Canada cut off America, America would fall. Without Americas trading partners, America would be in shit loads of trouble. Thanks to bad leadership, and choices for the last 70+ years



The US actually has one of the poorest trained military in the world, because we can afford it, we have size and technology to make up for the lack of training our troops receive. Canada has a better trained military, not only are there servicemen better trained, but they're far more professional.

So what if the US owes money to China? We owe money to several other nations, it's not a big deal, the media just plays it off as such.

It's called globalization, a consequence of capitalism. Also a form of cultural imperialism.


That is do true! Now that they own money, countries that US is indebted to must be sure that US survives, because otherwise they will lose tons of money, maybe even go down themselves. Especially china: giving them dollars was what actually saved dollar. Now chinese must pray that value of $ does not fall lower than it is.

As for cultural imperialsim, US doesnt have any. Their influence on popular culture (in arts) ended with warhol (pop art was derivate of "american way" capitalsim, where every product was considered to have value as long as it is marketable. it was very good idea to apply that to culture, but it failed since the biggest value of culture is originality and diversity. I mean, would you pay for 2000 and first painting of Mona Lisa?). Now they are just importing foreign stuff, including artist themselves. Which is proof that they are killing any form of creativity in colleges, but that is another subject altogether.
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Posted 3/12/10

blancer wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

ha ha ha ha no we have not won a war since ww2 and we had to rely on allies and nukes to win that.


Yeah that is funny The US spends more Money on their military than the rest of the world put together yet they have not been able to really win a war! The US also has one of the highest rates for Friendly Fire. But that is what you get wen your military consist of mostly gang bangers or thug wannabees.

If they spent half that money on something else other than there military they could have fixed this trouble we Americans are in now.
We would not ow China over 8 trillion, we have paid back a lot of the former debts, and we have money to spend on building the economy.

How can we say we are a world power, wen we are so dependent on the rest of the world. If China cut us off America would crash.. If Japan cut us off America would crash, Hell If Canada cut off America, America would fall. Without Americas trading partners, America would be in shit loads of trouble. Thanks to bad leadership, and choices for the last 70+ years



The US actually has one of the poorest trained military in the world, because we can afford it, we have size and technology to make up for the lack of training our troops receive. Canada has a better trained military, not only are there servicemen better trained, but they're far more professional.

So what if the US owes money to China? We owe money to several other nations, it's not a big deal, the media just plays it off as such.

It's called globalization, a consequence of capitalism. Also a form of cultural imperialism.


That is do true! Now that they own money, countries that US is indebted to must be sure that US survives, because otherwise they will lose tons of money, maybe even go down themselves. Especially china: giving them dollars was what actually saved dollar. Now chinese must pray that value of $ does not fall lower than it is.

As for cultural imperialsim, US doesnt have any. Their influence on popular culture (in arts) ended with warhol (pop art was derivate of "american way" capitalsim, where every product was considered to have value as long as it is marketable. it was very good idea to apply that to culture, but it failed since the biggest value of culture is originality and diversity. I mean, would you pay for 2000 and first painting of Mona Lisa?). Now they are just importing foreign stuff, including artist themselves. Which is proof that they are killing any form of creativity in colleges, but that is another subject altogether.


I disagree, entertainment is the US' biggest export. The world meme is greatly influenced by American fads and lifestyle. People all over the world try and imitate Americans. For example back in the 80's, KFC ran this brilliant ad campaign in Japan, which basically convinced the Japanese that an important Christmas dish for Americans is KFC fried chicken. So every Christmas the Japanese go out and buy a small bucket of fried chicken from KFC. Corporations like KFC, McDonald's, Burger King, Best Buy, Wal-Mart etc. are not only ways of subverting a country economically, but culturally as well.

Posted 3/14/10

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I disagree, entertainment is the US' biggest export. The world meme is greatly influenced by American fads and lifestyle. People all over the world try and imitate Americans. For example back in the 80's, KFC ran this brilliant ad campaign in Japan, which basically convinced the Japanese that an important Christmas dish for Americans is KFC fried chicken. So every Christmas the Japanese go out and buy a small bucket of fried chicken from KFC. Corporations like KFC, McDonald's, Burger King, Best Buy, Wal-Mart etc. are not only ways of subverting a country economically, but culturally as well.
Exactly, which is why human history shows for the longest time that when any society decided to isolate itself from the rest of its community, it will do so via any form of communication and media blockade. In other words, cultural influence is a relatively more effective method of invasion, as oppose to economic globalization or military campaign.
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