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Yea....let's get the iPad app going, with higher res.
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For those wondering about video streaming with 3G speeds:

Hello all. I've been using the CR iPhone app on the iPad 3G with the Verizon MiFi since Friday (4/30). All in all the app has preformed beyond expectations. Obviously, the video quality is not the best but I find that only the subtitles are really low-res. Given that the iPad app will be designed for the iPad I think we can all expect a truly great CR experience.

The MiFi CR app works very well on the iPad 3G but there is a lot of problems with buffering on the iPhone 3G and 3GS.

Just wanted everyone to know that there is hope for 3G streaming, but really that can be added later. Right now I just want Apple to approve the new app.

Also I would mention that there are a few apps out there that do stream video over 3G but I think it's only fair to point out that the CR app seems like it was really made for us fans/existing users as the number one priority and a brand grower as the second priority. I for one am very happy to have an app at all, it means I don't have to bring my laptop to work anymore.
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Comments I've read about ABC changing their iPad app to allow streaming over 3G were that they had to make it use less than 64kbps of bandwidth and do so using the Http Live Streaming interface. Is this something Crunchyroll can do with their app?
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I think I've found an answer to this whole mess.

The fact that there is an iPhone app that streams vids means CR already encodes them in h.264 right? Why not change a few lines of code on the site so when a user shows up on a video page using an iPhone or in my case an iPad, instead of the usual 'install the latest flash/turn on JavaScript' stuff those users get the h.264 version of the video?

That way we can get the premium vids and have full access to the sites features from the iPad just like on a computer. It also means you guys do whatever you want and not care if apple will approve or reject. YouTube and vimeo already do this and it works perfect.

If you ask me a site like this NEEDS to go this route. It means far less work for you guys, full 3G access, vid comments, forums, everything from iPad or iPhone.
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killar wrote:

I think I've found an answer to this whole mess.

The fact that there is an iPhone app that streams vids means CR already encodes them in h.264 right? Why not change a few lines of code on the site so when a user shows up on a video page using an iPhone or in my case an iPad, instead of the usual 'install the latest flash/turn on JavaScript' stuff those users get the h.264 version of the video?

That way we can get the premium vids and have full access to the sites features from the iPad just like on a computer. It also means you guys do whatever you want and not care if apple will approve or reject. YouTube and vimeo already do this and it works perfect.

If you ask me a site like this NEEDS to go this route. It means far less work for you guys, full 3G access, vid comments, forums, everything from iPad or iPhone.


Since the iPad doesn't support Flash, we'd have to create a HTML5 video player for us to stream the videos in the iPad's brower. Then there's our complicated subtitle system and security system, which I'm not sure can be used with HTML5 or if a similar system could theoretically be created for an HTML5 video player at this point in time. Seeing as how the HTML5 standard is not complete and most likely will not provide the functionality we need until it is complete, it's just not something that we can pursue.

It is much easier to just create an app for now.
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Yeah don't believe everything apple says about HTML 5. There are stll many things it can't do in it's state
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Just curious... The new app hasn't been rejected again has it? It normally takes 9 to 14 days and we're creeping up on 20 since you last updated us. I'm still loving the iphone version but I'm super excited to see what the devs do with all the iPad real estate.

Q: If I could pose a question to everyone: What new features are you hoping for?

A: Access to my watch list and video rating/comments.
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BasouKazuma wrote:


killar wrote:

I think I've found an answer to this whole mess.

The fact that there is an iPhone app that streams vids means CR already encodes them in h.264 right? Why not change a few lines of code on the site so when a user shows up on a video page using an iPhone or in my case an iPad, instead of the usual 'install the latest flash/turn on JavaScript' stuff those users get the h.264 version of the video?

That way we can get the premium vids and have full access to the sites features from the iPad just like on a computer. It also means you guys do whatever you want and not care if apple will approve or reject. YouTube and vimeo already do this and it works perfect.

If you ask me a site like this NEEDS to go this route. It means far less work for you guys, full 3G access, vid comments, forums, everything from iPad or iPhone.


Since the iPad doesn't support Flash, we'd have to create a HTML5 video player for us to stream the videos in the iPad's brower. Then there's our complicated subtitle system and security system, which I'm not sure can be used with HTML5 or if a similar system could theoretically be created for an HTML5 video player at this point in time. Seeing as how the HTML5 standard is not complete and most likely will not provide the functionality we need until it is complete, it's just not something that we can pursue.

It is much easier to just create an app for now.



Okay since it has to be in app form what if you made the iPad version render the whole site inside of the app using the webkit backend so it looked like the standard CR website but allowed video playback on the web page just like vimeo and DM. I'd much rather have that then waiting for the devs to build custom versions of every feature like they always do. And it means full access to the sites features inside the app on day one.
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asameshimae wrote:

Just curious... The new app hasn't been rejected again has it? It normally takes 9 to 14 days and we're creeping up on 20 since you last updated us. I'm still loving the iphone version but I'm super excited to see what the devs do with all the iPad real estate.

Q: If I could pose a question to everyone: What new features are you hoping for?

A: Access to my watch list and video rating/comments.


Think it was rejected twice now, so maybe the 3rd time's a charm?



killar wrote:

Okay since it has to be in app form what if you made the iPad version render the whole site inside of the app using the webkit backend so it looked like the standard CR website but allowed video playback on the web page just like vimeo and DM. I'd much rather have that then waiting for the devs to build custom versions of every feature like they always do. And it means full access to the sites features inside the app on day one.


We would still come up with the same problem since the videos would need to be in an HTML5 player. Though, is it possible to browse a site on the iPad and have a link on the page to launch something in an external app? If so, we might be able to allow people to use the site's navigation and just provide a link on the video pages that opens up the video in the iPhone or iPad app (which would need to be installed).

Something tells me that the devices don't allow that functionality but I can have that looked into.
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I really prefer a native app. The time taken to develop features is well worth it.

Look at the Netflix app it appears that they used killer's described method and that app is buggy and unresponsive. The Netflix app is so bad that it's only good for watching videos and moving items in your queue. Rating movies doesn't work very well and adding movies doesn't work well either. The buttons are not as responsive and they do not behave the way they should. I still have to use Phoneflicks if I want to add/search for movies quickly. Something tells me that those Devs (@netflix) are spending way more time fixing problems when they should be developing features. Also I'm not positive but I think Apple has been trying to get Devs away from that method and wants them to build apps from the ground up. The current CR app is simple and does have some minor issues but it does serve it's primary function better than Netflix at this time.

The CR does work OK on the iPad (I've been doing all my forum posts on it since 4/30) but some aspects don't work well, like moving shows in my watch list doesn't work at all. It seems like a lot of 2.0 features on many sites need to be 2.1 to work on the iPad.

As far as the new app goes: Sometimes it is better to put out a version with a few new features and then add features with updates. In other words if Apple has a problem with one thing and it can be removed without breaking the app then pull it and work on it while everyone enjoys what can get approved.
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BasouKazuma wrote:

We would still come up with the same problem since the videos would need to be in an HTML5 player. Though, is it possible to browse a site on the iPad and have a link on the page to launch something in an external app? If so, we might be able to allow people to use the site's navigation and just provide a link on the video pages that opens up the video in the iPhone or iPad app (which would need to be installed).

Something tells me that the devices don't allow that functionality but I can have that looked into.


I don't think apple allows sites to link to apps that are not their own.

So what if we made the app the 'window' to cr like I said before but when a user got to a video page, in the video area would be a play button or something that would launch the video player that is already there in the iPhone app. So I go to watch something, hit the play button and the whole screen switches to the video player that's already there. That way you could avoid needing an HTML5 player.




asameshimae wrote:

I really prefer a native app. The time taken to develop features is well worth it.

Look at the Netflix app it appears that they used killer's described method and that app is buggy and unresponsive. The Netflix app is so bad that it's only good for watching videos and moving items in your queue. Rating movies doesn't work very well and adding movies doesn't work well either. The buttons are not as responsive and they do not behave the way they should. I still have to use Phoneflicks if I want to add/search for movies quickly. Something tells me that those Devs (@netflix) are spending way more time fixing problems when they should be developing features. Also I'm not positive but I think Apple has been trying to get Devs away from that method and wants them to build apps from the ground up. The current CR app is simple and does have some minor issues but it does serve it's primary function better than Netflix at this time.

The CR does work OK on the iPad (I've been doing all my forum posts on it since 4/30) but some aspects don't work well, like moving shows in my watch list doesn't work at all. It seems like a lot of 2.0 features on many sites need to be 2.1 to work on the iPad.


I've never used netflix so I'm not sure how it performs.

But I've been doing all my moderator work and browsing CR on my iPad for a while now and aside from a few little annoyances (like that damn grey bar at the bottom of the screen) it works fine in this browser. So if the app used webkit to render the site in it, it should perform exactly like it does in safari. At least that's what I assume, and after a few small fixes it would be awesome and I think it would mean less work for the admins.
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read all the comments in this thread this is why i did not want an ipad, there are to many bugs right now but I do wish the mods here the best of luck creating an app for the device.
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@killar I've been reading my .crash reports and I'll concede that CR.com hasn't shown up in any of the data. I would also point out that Netflix.com isn't that great of a website to begin with. Plus considering all the user input that CR allows this site is way better built than netfilx.com I still think that a good meeting point is somewhere in the middle of straight ports and full from-the-ground-up builds. The Devs also have to account for the difference between touch interface and mouse based interface - these could be minor fixes or major fixes depending on the area.


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read all the comments in this thread this is why i did not want an ipad, there are to many bugs right now but I do wish the mods here the best of luck creating an app for the device.


The bugs aren't with the iPad (with the exception of the wifi problem, that only some experience) all the background crashes I've seen are with third party apps and old website designs. The iPad and the competing Android devices are bringing you the internet in a way that everyone will be using it 5 years from now. It's about being mobile, on the go, and available anywhere. The US is just really really really slow on the up take.

It really is the right device for the right consumer. I now can leave my laptop at home unless I have serious work to do i.e. prolonged word processing, video editing, illustrator, etc...

Plus the old Internet had never played nice with mobile devices my N90 web browser crashed all the time and was running well-established software.

NOTE: the majority of my computer based website interactions are on Macs so my broswing experience may vary from that of a windows user. But I use cr.com in Chrome b/c flash works better there.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

read all the comments in this thread this is why i did not want an ipad, there are to many bugs right now but I do wish the mods here the best of luck creating an app for the device.


I think you have it all wrong. The problem is not the iPad, it's how to get a really good CR app on it.

I consider myself a 'regular' Internet user and my iPad has become my main system since I got it. I do everything on it, the only time I turn on my desktop or laptop is when I need to do something like video editing or use Photoshop. But there are good apps even for photo editing, look on my profile. The pic in the about me was edited on my iPad. Imagine what it will be capable of in a year.

Also every video from YouTube, vimeo, and daily motion works perfectly and that's most of the vids on the Internet. This kind of computing is the future. And so far it's been just as stable as my laptop.
Posted 5/8/10

killar wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

read all the comments in this thread this is why i did not want an ipad, there are to many bugs right now but I do wish the mods here the best of luck creating an app for the device.


I think you have it all wrong. The problem is not the iPad, it's how to get a really good CR app on it.

I consider myself a 'regular' Internet user and my iPad has become my main system since I got it. I do everything on it, the only time I turn on my desktop or laptop is when I need to do something like video editing or use Photoshop. But there are good apps even for photo editing, look on my profile. The pic in the about me was edited on my iPad. Imagine what it will be capable of in a year.

Also every video from YouTube, vimeo, and daily motion works perfectly and that's most of the vids on the Internet. This kind of computing is the future. And so far it's been just as stable as my laptop.


to each his own i suppose I have a 32 gb ipod touch and no reason to get a new device as of yet but as i said before I do wish you all the best of luck. i am sure that You will figure it out.
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