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I really don't see how this is tagged as adventure. They rarely leave the town. The only time they went exploring was one episode, and that wasn't even adventurous.

Even with selective war flashbacks, it isn't a series of flashbacks of their "past adventures" like in Baccano!

On another note;
People who do relate this as a type of K-ON genre are not wrong. Just because they have flashblacks of the war, does not mean this is not a slice of life/daily life genre anime like K-ON, Azumanga, Sketchbook, Aria, Kaasan Mom's Life, and so forth.

The setting might make it unique since most slice of life genres like to focus on high school life and target kids of 14~21 year olds. Theres no other slice of life anime with a post-war setting I can think of, but just because its setting is post-war doesn't change style of the anime.

For example take the TV show M.A.S.H. It's war related, has a bit a drama, but most of it is a sitcom. Just because it has a bit of drama doesn't mean the entire thing is medical drama, like E.R.

If you're recommending Soranowoto to people as adventure or war drama, then I would think a lot of people would be upset like me. Such as bwcbwc who have watched up to episode 7 said

The one problem I have with this show is it still doesn't really seem to be going anywhere.


That sentence, pretty much describes all slice of life anime. They go no where, as far as the story is concerned.

It's great that it gives little bread crumbs of what happened in the past, but you have to admit by this point in the series, theres not going to much besides story daily life stories. Theres only 12 episodes in total, and we're on episode 10 already.
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Actually I believe its supposed to be 13 episodes. And I think the reason some people tend to write off the show is that they don't like how slowly the story progresses. They're usually more accustomed to shows that give more bang in the first few eps and don't leave much for the viewer to figure out or speculate on. Kind of like people who are used to instant gratification instead of waiting for things to slowly build up. If somebody wants a show like that, then I'd suggest something like "Asura Cryin". (fun in it's own weird, albeit rushed kind of way). But most of the more ardent fans of this show probably are the types of people who can appreciate an anime that slowly builds up to something because they know that such kinds of shows, if done correctly, can lead up to something that has more of an impact (emotional or otherwise) than other "wham, Bamm, Boom, in your face, it's over" kinds of shows.

And as far as your prediction that this show isn't going to be much more than daily life kinds of stories, well....I think it's safe to say after the latest episode, that theory has been pretty much blown to Hell. Whether it has enough action/adventure for you, or whether it can be tagged as adventure if all the action is just in one or two episodes, I'll leave up to the individuals to judge themselves.
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Posted 3/15/10 , edited 3/15/10
Problem is, Crunchyroll only has 23 genre tags to work with here. Of those, it's clear Action is out.

Also out are: Ecchi, Fantasy, Harem, Horror ('War is Hell' theme notwithstanding), Magic, Martial Arts, Parody, Psychological, Romance, Shoujo, Shounen, Space, Sports and Tournament.

Leaving:

Even though it's set in a cold war period (as in no active battles), why this isn't tagged Military already I'll never know...
Science Fiction is another no-Brainer for a tag...


Drama is iffy. While there are certainly dramatic moments and the comedy not nearly as over-the-top as it could be, it's far better to call it a Comedy so that a new viewers don't feel cheated at the drama's pacing. This has more comedy than Pumpkin Scissors at any rate...

The tanks could put it in Mecha IF they were used more. They aren't.

Given the inhuman Skeleton and ghost sightings, I'd say Supernatural is not out of the question. However, since it doesn't overtly drive the story any more than the tank does, it's a tag open to debate--and might even be a spoiler, depending on how things work out in the end...


I guess I can understand the Adventure tag. Although they aren't going as far afield as some other works in the genre, each episode has something unusual that kicks things up a notch from 'routine' : live-fire Heavy Machine gun practice with Mafia targets, anyone?

I can also understand why it might be considered a Slice of Life (Military version), given their base is where the action isn't...even when the war was at its hottest.
Then again, the story takes place in a post-armistice, turn-of-last-century countryside village in the boonies. Modern-day Iraq--or even Akihabara--it is not.


Plain and simply, past the easy SciFi and Military tags (and most probably wouldn't give it Military, due to the lack of "action"), most of CR's tags don't work for So ra no wo to . The show may not be every Adventure Lover's quest or Military Fan's war story...so be it.
I personally like the subtlety and pace, and look forward to the payoff I'm anticipating in the last couple of episodes.
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And as far as your prediction that this show isn't going to be much more than daily life kinds of stories, well....I think it's safe to say after the latest episode, that theory has been pretty much blown to Hell. Whether it has enough action/adventure for you, or whether it can be tagged as adventure if all the action is just in one or two episodes, I'll leave up to the individuals to judge themselves.

I didn't say there was no underlying plot. The underlying plot was set in episode 1, but throughout the series it focuses each episode more with daily events than anything else. That kind of structure is what I call a slice of life (daily life) genre. Even episode 7's daily event was Obon festival, and episode 11's event was the rescuing an enemy soldier.

Solely having people say 'look at this episode! it has unveiled more plot development' doesn't mean the series itself is not a slice of life style to it. It's like saying Kyou no Go no Ni isn't a slapstick comedy at all, but should be tagged as romance based on the beginning and ending episodes.

Also you have to understand, not every anime has to be exactly one genre. Take some series like Full Metal Panic!, they mixed various aspects into it, romance, high school, action, comedy, mecha, and so forth if I'm missing anything else.

If you have watched or read any slice of life genres you can see what the style is like and how I am comparing it to that style. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slice_of_life_story


A slice of life story is a category for a story that portrays a "cut-out" sequence of events in a character's life. It may or may not contain any plot progress and little character development, and often has no exposition, conflict, or dénouement, with an open ending.


In my review, I gave the examples of K-ON, since it was popular, and Kanamemo and Sketchbook, since they are on crunchyroll. You can notice that the structure of each episode is to tell a particular event in the characters' life. This same structure is used in Soranowoto, such that each episode is a particular story in the characters' life. The only difference is that Soranowoto underlying plot is post-apocalyptic instead of high school girls.

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Whether it has enough action/adventure for you, or whether it can be tagged as adventure if all the action is just in one or two episodes, I'll leave up to the individuals to judge themselves.

In short, for people who didn't want to read the long post above, why is your argument that one or two episodes of adventure is enough to tag the entire series as adventure, but tagging it as slice of life is wrong just because of episode 11?
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Whether it has enough action/adventure for you, or whether it can be tagged as adventure if all the action is just in one or two episodes, I'll leave up to the individuals to judge themselves.

In short, for people who didn't want to read the long post above, why is your argument that one or two episodes of adventure is enough to tag the entire series as adventure, but tagging it as slice of life is wrong just because of episode 11?


I think the problem here is that you're confusing a "slice of life" anime series with an anime that has a slice of life feel to it, and they are very different.

Yes the series has a slice of life structure in the episodes. No one is saying they do not. That's the whole appeal of this show. It's the illusion the producers gave the series on purpose I think so that they could have a unique approach to characterization and plot development that they wouldn't have had if they didn't give it that feel. So on the surface yes, it does "feel" like a slice of life kind of show, But there the similarity ends. For instance after watching episode 11, then going back and looking at the earlier scenes with Noel in episodes like #4 and #7, those scenes take on a deeper significance. When that orphan brat slaps Noel's hand away and calls her a murderer, and Noel's subsequent talk with Kanata at the glass factory about the nature of machines and what they're capable of, and her excluding herself from participating in "Obon" festivities and her also wanting to hug Felicia at the end of ep 7.....all these things take on a deeper significance than we first saw, now that we know more about Noel's past from this last episode. These aren't just a "cut-out" sequence of events in a character's life, though they look like it at first glance.

Contrast that with series like "K-On" or "Aria" (which I both love btw), where what you see on the surface is pretty much what you get. There is no deeper, multi-layer meaning to much of what goes on in those shows. And as you said, they pretty much go nowhere as far as story is concerned. But this series does, albeit in a way similar to "Durarara" where it's not necessarily clear early on exactly where.

Frankly, I'm a bit confused. First you say you don't understand why it's tagged as adventure, but later you say "Not all shows have to be limited to one genre". As has been pointed out above by "insertSomethingCleverHere", it may not be the most high flying, edge of your seat, nail biting adventure out there, but technically it does have adventure elements.
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KaiserSoseiFrankly, I'm a bit confused. First you say you don't understand why it's tagged as adventure, but later you say "Not all shows have to be limited to one genre".
Sorry, sometimes I assume people could make the connections.

-I gave the reason why shows are multiple genres because people refuse to see this as a type of Slice of Life genre.
-Then I followed up, with the argument that if theres some Action/Adventure in the series that allows the series to be tagged as such, then why not also tag it as Slice of Life since the "feeling" is there.

Which I hoped people saw the conclusion that this show is a hybrid.

As far as "characterization and plot development", I'm sure I've mentioned that it has the underlying plot driving it, but little development. Again, that is the definition of a slice of life genre. You can see this varies in degrees between slice of life series.

Some might want to put a bit more of character relations development, like in Genshiken's depiction of school life romance. You can read/watch a few episodes back to see how the characters act oddly with each other. Their focus there was on a different aspect of course, but didn't mean they were just a series of random "funnies" with no connection from the previous chapters/episodes.

As for other anime series such as K-ON and Sketchbook were both adapted from a 4-panel comic I believe. For those types the writer/artist only had in mind to make people laugh. Similarly with Azumanga and Yotsuba&! those are more focused on comedy aspect, than any plot. This is why you see very little any development in characters or story.
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I think the problem here is that you're confusing a "slice of life" anime series with an anime that has a slice of life feel to it, and they are very different.

Another aspect of slice of life, is that theres no distinctive plot summary to explain the entire series.

For example, I can explain an action/adventure anime like Berserk plot as such in the most general terms;
-Growth of character
-Building Friendships
-Betrayal
-Revenge
-Tragedy

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Even One Piece, the driving force of the plot is the adventuring around the world to find the treasure "one piece". Inuyasha was to restore the gem and stop Naraku. Although problem with a lot of those long running series is that they can side track a lot. E.G. Filler episodes.

Compare that to some slice of life manga like Genshiken your plot is more of an underlying plot for the medium, rather than the driving force of the story.
-Building Friendships
-Friendships to Romance

Similarly to Sora no Woto. The plot of the war, flame maidens, and such is just an underlying plot for this fictional work, rather than the driving force of the story.
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As far as "characterization and plot development", I'm sure I've mentioned that it has the underlying plot driving it, but little development. Again, that is the definition of a slice of life genre. You can see this varies in degrees between slice of life series.

Some might want to put a bit more of character relations development, like in Genshiken's depiction of school life romance. You can read/watch a few episodes back to see how the characters act oddly with each other. Their focus there was on a different aspect of course, but didn't mean they were just a series of random "funnies" with no connection from the previous chapters/episodes.

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I would caution you against using the "little plot development" argument too much, seeing as that's only one aspect of the slice of life genre. And if you use the rationale that all anime shows or movies that have little plot development are slice of life type shows, then there's a huge number of shows that theoretically could be tagged as such that most would argue don't fit the bill.

It's been awhile since I've seen Genshiken, so my memory might be a bit hazy, but I don't remember any of the instances of character development in that show taking on a deeper meaning than what they appeared on the surface. Again, Sora no Woto is the kind of show where things have a deeper meaning than what appears on the surface; thus excluding it from the slice of life genre. With each episode you dig a layer deeper into it. And as has been said about this show before, the story progresses very slowly. But just because it does, doesn't mean there is little or no plot development....it just means it is slow.

Since I don't know exactly what criteria Crunchyroll uses in determining what tags it assigns to a particular series, I can only assume they assign them based on what definition actually fits the show, rather than the overall "feel" of the show, I guess.
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I think the problem here is that you're confusing a "slice of life" anime series with an anime that has a slice of life feel to it, and they are very different.

Another aspect of slice of life, is that theres no distinctive plot summary to explain the entire series.



Well that's easy enough to explain. Think about it, if you gave a distinctive plot summary for a show like this right off the bat at the beginning, then that would pretty much defeat the purpose for the producers to approach the story the way they did and giving it that slice of life feel to it.

It's kind of premature to write off the series as being solely about building friendships, seeing as we've got a couple more eps to go. But I have been wrong and have been disappointed before. So for nw I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that won't be the case here. But I've got a couple of hunches of where it might be leading and if they're even partly correct, then I'd understand why the producers only gave the sparse summary they've given on the info page or other press releases.

Speaking of which: is that why you say you were disappointed in the show? Did you read a summary of the show and expect it to have more heavy action than it did?
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I know that little plot development is only one aspect of slice of life, but it is a large aspect of it which explains the genre quite well. The structure of each episode usually encapsulates an experience.



There are usually no cliffhangers or episodes that heavily require you to know what was going on the past few episodes. Such as if you randomly picked up an episode of Berserk you would probably be a bit lost as to what is going on. Or even sometimes pick up a random episode of those never-ending series such as Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Hajime no Ippo, and so forth, you are usually in the middle of some part of the story development. Such as watching episode 50ish in One Piece compared to episode 300 might make absolutely no sense to you as to what Luffy is trying to do this time.

Granted that there are series that aren't "slice of life" genre that have no plot, and in effect have no need for continuity such as comedy. Such as Cromartie High School, or Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei doesn't have any on-going plot. However, you can easily tell they are not trying to encapsulate any sort of daily life experience one may encounter.

The only reason I can see it's a bit hard for people to see this series tagged as slice of life as well is that it that most slice of life anime are literally a slice of modern life but with fictional characters.

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When I meant plot summary, I mean in the sense of having someone tell you what plot is, not the description given on a dvd box. In other words, how would you explain this series to someone else to watch? You wouldn't want to just explain the box description, but try to give a sense of the direction of entire series.

My few words to explain the series is 'Building Friendships'. So far as there are no other extensive story structure to explain like in Berserk. I'm hoping that Sora no Woto conclusion might shed some light and tie together the entire series. However, it doesn't seem like the type of series that is trying to tell a story with a twist or mystery to it.

What I am disappointed in is the unfolding of the story behind the giant skeleton and "flame maidens". I had a feeling they were going to leave it at the last episode since none of the episodes had any particular story on it. If the story for that was unfolding in a particular way that the viewer can pick up clues, then I wouldn't mind as much. But they didn't mention any of it until episode 11. I can only imagine that these items have to be related to the war, and the idea of flame maidens might have been twisted history of some heroic human sacrifice in the war from the old world. Other than that, there doesn't seem to tie into each episode as to what these folklore have to do with anything.
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Mediocre ending with episode 12. No real surprise in the unfolding of episode 12, then again they brought this sort of conclusion on themselves.

I assume if there is an episode 13, that it would be a non-sense episode after the world peace has fully settled in.
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When I meant plot summary, I mean in the sense of having someone tell you what plot is, not the description given on a dvd box. In other words, how would you explain this series to someone else to watch? You wouldn't want to just explain the box description, but try to give a sense of the direction of entire series.

My few words to explain the series is 'Building Friendships'. So far as there are no other extensive story structure to explain like in Berserk. I'm hoping that Sora no Woto conclusion might shed some light and tie together the entire series. However, it doesn't seem like the type of series that is trying to tell a story with a twist or mystery to it.

What I am disappointed in is the unfolding of the story behind the giant skeleton and "flame maidens". I had a feeling they were going to leave it at the last episode since none of the episodes had any particular story on it. If the story for that was unfolding in a particular way that the viewer can pick up clues, then I wouldn't mind as much. But they didn't mention any of it until episode 11. I can only imagine that these items have to be related to the war, and the idea of flame maidens might have been twisted history of some heroic human sacrifice in the war from the old world. Other than that, there doesn't seem to tie into each episode as to what these folklore have to do with anything.


Ah, see that's pretty much what I suspected from looking back through this thread. Seems you made the mistake some others did in assuming the story behind the giant skeleton and the legend of the "flame Maidens" was the focus of the main plot, when in actuality it was just a backdrop for the main story which centered around Kanata and her aspirations to being something more than what she started out as. At least some of us picked up on that or at least suspected that was where the focus was early on. Honestly though I can see why some might have thought that was what the underlying plot was, so on that point I really got nothing to offer you. Sorry. That must've really sucked when you had higher expectations for the show and you ended up with what you got. I know that happened to me in the past when my expectations for a show were so high that they couldn't live up to them. Ah well, guess this approach didn't work for everyone.

I have to say I am impressed with your skills at analysis and critique, and I think you have some pretty good potential for being a professional critic if you wanted (just my opinion anyways). But if I could offer a word of advice, I noticed throughout this whole thread you seemed to be a bit didactic and focused almost exclusively on judging things by their structure and what definition fit what. Not saying looking at things like structure and elements aren't important in critiquing, but you also have to consider things like context and meaning and such. Sometimes an artist/composer/director will use conventions in structure or genre to "manipulate" an audience to gain a response they wouldn't normally get by using conventional approaches. Thus it's not always accurate to judge a work by it's structure alone.

Oh and btw - when I recommend this series to friends and other anime fans, I don't give them a distinct plot summary, but just give them a general description like "Oh it's basically about bugle playing in the military" and let them experience it the same way I did, 'cuz that's the same approach the producers used in their press releases and on youtube and on their website and places like here on Cruncyroll, and I can see why they used this approach. If I gave them a full and distinct plot summary, they might have some pre-conceived expectations of it even on a subconscious level and it might affect their enjoyment of it. So far it's worked pretty well.
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