Post Reply kadokawapictures your removinbg this show too?
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Posted 3/14/10
Kadokawapictures,

You really need to re-think your marketing. After CR posts ep 12, 30 days from then you are removing all the episodes just like you did with Sora no Otoshimono?

What is the matter with you, no wonder why you did not make money in the USA. Have your marketing Department contact me via CR. You need a little help. How do you expect to grow by doing this kind of thing?

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Posted 3/16/10
In the absence of licensed forms of distribution, people will watch fansubs, which are
probably not too hard to find, and don't give any revenue back to the creators.

They are shooting themselves in the foot. This is not such a hot property
that people will flock to watch it in a limited time window.

Thanks, perhaps, to the anime licensing bubble, some companies have inflated
ideas of their value in the market.


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Hm, I think that you two are being unnecessarily vicious. However, I do disagree with removing the show after the 30 days. The only practical reason that I can see for doing that is perhaps they plan on releasing the DVD / Blu-Ray 30 days after the final episode is released here. It's possible that they expect to make more money that way.

Alternatively, perhaps they plan to remove it and then release the DVD / Blu-Ray, and then a month or two after they could re-release the videos to CR. This could be a method to capitalize on the sales of box collections.

Will they? I have no idea. Is that the situation? Of course I can't know. They have their reasons, though I disagree that this method will ultimately be the most profitable for them. They should have a revenue stream available from CrunchyRoll so long as the videos are available here. That's better than the nothing that they will receive once the videos are gone.

They are, as you say, shooting themselves in the foot.

I'm lucky that I get to keep up with this (or any series) as much as I do, though I've ran behind a week or two. It's Spring Break, which is the only reason why I've caught up to the recent episode, and even though I am on break I'm still going to need to study and write one or two papers this week if I want to keep up with my classes. You can imagine how last-minute things can become during a regular week.

Study (~4 to 6 hours per day, ideally), papers to write, Taekwondo (practice for the Korean Culture Day presentation), exercise, social activities...

Personally, if I ever miss an episode because it has been removed - or I can not start watching from the beginning because episodes have been removed - then that is when I stop following the series. Or I simply do not begin to watch it (I'm looking at you, Fairy Tale).

So you can see why I disagree with the removal of videos. Streaming videos are much more convenient than a boxed set.

However, I don't think that insulting the company will be beneficial. They've made a good anime. I have enjoyed it, and it would be a shame for future members to miss it because it has been removed. Also, Kadokawa Pictures will miss out on that money. So it's a lose situation for everyone.
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Posted 3/18/10
Well I guess all we can hope for is that they ( Kadokawapictures ) are monitoring the forums and are pondering their reply.
Personally, I have already made clear how I feel about it, " release this to Blue-ray !! ", so at this point I will continue to enjoy the show as long as it airs, and can't wait for next weeks conclusion.
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Posted 3/18/10

Myskers wrote:

Hm, I think that you two are being unnecessarily vicious. However, I do disagree with removing the show after the 30 days. The only practical reason that I can see for doing that is perhaps they plan on releasing the DVD / Blu-Ray 30 days after the final episode is released here. It's possible that they expect to make more money that way.

Alternatively, perhaps they plan to remove it and then release the DVD / Blu-Ray, and then a month or two after they could re-release the videos to CR. This could be a method to capitalize on the sales of box collections.

Will they? I have no idea. Is that the situation? Of course I can't know. They have their reasons, though I disagree that this method will ultimately be the most profitable for them. They should have a revenue stream available from CrunchyRoll so long as the videos are available here. That's better than the nothing that they will receive once the videos are gone.

They are, as you say, shooting themselves in the foot.

I'm lucky that I get to keep up with this (or any series) as much as I do, though I've ran behind a week or two. It's Spring Break, which is the only reason why I've caught up to the recent episode, and even though I am on break I'm still going to need to study and write one or two papers this week if I want to keep up with my classes. You can imagine how last-minute things can become during a regular week.

Study (~4 to 6 hours per day, ideally), papers to write, Taekwondo (practice for the Korean Culture Day presentation), exercise, social activities...

Personally, if I ever miss an episode because it has been removed - or I can not start watching from the beginning because episodes have been removed - then that is when I stop following the series. Or I simply do not begin to watch it (I'm looking at you, Fairy Tale).

So you can see why I disagree with the removal of videos. Streaming videos are much more convenient than a boxed set.

However, I don't think that insulting the company will be beneficial. They've made a good anime. I have enjoyed it, and it would be a shame for future members to miss it because it has been removed. Also, Kadokawa Pictures will miss out on that money. So it's a lose situation for everyone.


With all due respect, I am not insulting the company, I love them and I want them to make money! Kadokawa Pictures thinks they are losing money by letting CR do the streams. They have their thinking backwards. Its a bit too complicated to explain but I tell you I have taken the time to write and call; even VIZ Media that handles the English version of Naruto thinks this way. They explained to me "... but this is the way it is done in Japan ..." and I replied, you are not in Japan you are in CA, in the USA and it does not make sense here to do it this way!

Basically if they do business as the do in Japan here in the USA they will lose everything. I really dont want to go into details on an online forum but those who have spoken to me on the phone know what the problem is. I am sorry I cannot be specific.

But I will end by saying, I think Kadokawa Pictures (at least the anime division) does a great job and I am doing everything I personally can to help them understand the issue and help them make money here in the USA.

I love CR


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I think the problem is they handle ALL their marketing the same way, regardless of which market its actually in. The situation for people that watch these shows in countries other than Japan varies greatly, and most of the time, at least at first, these shows are 'not' as readily available as they are to people living in the country of origin, so while those people are fine with it, the rest of us get left out in the cold.

Sadly, it would also be abit much for them to also take into consideration every country/local that these shows get released, and modify their marketting strategies appropriately. UNLESS they feel the costs would be outshined by the profit. For some of us, we'll do what we can to purchase these shows legitimately, but sadly a large portion of people will just download fansubs and be done with it. Which like others have said (and should pretty much be a staple of common knowledge in this type of community) only hurts the industry through propigation without profit. Which in turn makes it that much harder for the rest of us to get our hands on it.

The idea of removing the videos now, then a possible bluray/dvd release, then a rerelease of the videos again might happen... but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

I wish there was some alternate way to get the shows, like pay CR per ep download, to the tune of what it would similarily cost to purchase through a store, and a % of that goes to the producing company. Obviously less since you don't have a hardcopy original, but I know alot of people that would take advantage of that type of service.

(and yes, I know CR has, or had, an option to download 'some' of their material... but it was limited, and I believe its getting removed, if they haven't already done so).

Ultimately, all we can do is support sites like this that give us access to material we might otherwise not have access to at all. At least not this quick, and definitely not of this quality (still love the fact you can stream 720 videos). And when those sites can't help us... we're left to our own devices. Which just ultimately sucks :(

Wow.... first rant-type post i've made in a LONG time. Sorry about that >.<

(oh, and love CR as well. I started by watching the 'free' episodes with advertisements, and now I don't think i'll ever go back to a non-paid account. lol. Keep up the good work Shinji and co!).
Posted 6/15/10
I'm just glad that I've watched it on here already before they scrap it
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