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Posted 3/15/10 , edited 3/16/10
OK, as we've seen from this episode the climax that this series has been slowly building up to has finally started to come together, and most of us more hardcore fans who knew this was building up to something have so far been highly rewarded. But if I could go on a rant for just a bit: I have to say I am getting a bit peeved about how some people keep complaining about series like this as having no plot or point or direction. For example, last week I had a couple friends over to my place and had a little SoRaNoWoTo mini marathon for them to get them acquainted with this series. One of my friends, who has been a big anime fan almost as long as I have, complained and said after a few eps that he found it all boring and claimed there was nothing special about it. He said "Oh this is nothing, just one of those typical shows that start out kinda cutesy and light heart-ed and then halfway through turn all dark...it's nothing new to me". But this same person, as me and another friend were looking at it and trying to speculate the deeper meanings of what we'd been shown so far, proceeded to proclaim that there simply "was no plot, it just doesn't exist".

Now I'm no literary major, but even I could tell all of this was leading somewhere. I knew that angel skeleton they showed in episode 1 was put there on purpose. I swear sometimes I wonder whether anime is being "dumbed down" too much these days, where the average person can't figure out stuff that's not written at the Shounen level. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy that kind of thing from time to time. Hell, I even enjoy a little ecchiiness or other guilty pleasures from time to time (Moetan anyone?). But sometimes it's good to appreciate something that requires you to think or read between the lines to piece together what the overall theme is. OK, just wanted to get that off my chest.

I have to say I for one am LOVING how the storytelling is done in this series, and how it gradually reveals stuff as it peels away the layers one by one.Like how they revealed more about Noel in this episode and why she did not participate in the "Fiesta de Lumieres" in episode 7. As a child prodigy who apparently had a big role in developing some seriously heinous weapons of mass destruction, like someone posted on the comments for this ep, she probably had so much blood on her hands that she'd have to fill the entire river with lanterns.

Just as with Felicia when re-watching the earlier episodes after watching episode 7 you see her in a different way, looking back at scenes with Noel earlier in the series you see her in a whole different way after this episode. Like the run in she had with that orphaned boy Seiya in episode 7 and her subsequent talk with Kanata at the glass factory, and the aforementioned scene at the river at the end of episode 7, and how she was the last one to approach Felicia for a hug (the significance of her saying "me too" to her, knowing that she knew all too well what war crimes she was guilty of). Even the simple fact of how she knew what had happened to Felicia at the Vingt Front has come to light now. Like I said, I LOVE how this series reveals stuff in a very indirect way. I have to say most of the speculah that me and others had proposed here on the boards has been proven off to at least some degree or another. But that's a big part of the fun of speculating of whats going on and actively trying to guess at what it's building towards instead of just passively viewing this series as it were just another Saturday morning action styled show. Just like a good book or manga, you have to sometimes read between the lines to pick up the subtle hints and figure things out.

Oh and Felicia's test to determine whether Aisha could understand their language was rather.....enjoyable to watch.

One small complaint i had with this episode is how the Helvetian army was depicted. They seemed at times to remind me too much of the Amestrian Army from "Full Metal Alchemist". Kind of like blood crazed war mongers. And this after I was feeling so sorry for troops like Felicia's old squad and others like them in episode 7. But still that was a minor complaint. Guess every Army has at least a few blood thirsty individuals in the upper ranks.
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Posted 3/18/10

KaiserSosei wrote:
One small complaint i had with this episode is how the Helvetian army was depicted. They seemed at times to remind me too much of the Amestrian Army from "Full Metal Alchemist". Kind of like blood crazed war mongers. And this after I was feeling so sorry for troops like Felicia's old squad and others like them in episode 7. But still that was a minor complaint. Guess every Army has at least a few blood thirsty individuals in the upper ranks.


I think rather than "bloodthirsty" a better term here would be ruthless.
Remember that at least one of the Helvetian orphans became so not because of enemy fire, but The Invisible Shinigami. It's one thing when an officer must sacrifice lives in the name of a mission; The Demon of Vingt threw away the lives of his own civilian countrymen to defeat the invaders. In light of the fact that the Romans don't always give POWs back (who knows if we'll ever find out how much was Stockholm Syndrome and how much was a genuine romance), a destroy-the-village-to-save-it mentality is not that surprising. Sad, but not surprising.

There's also a certain irony that Neo-Switzerland's military broke the Bacteriological Methods of Warfare part of the Geneva Protocol. To say nothing of the Geneva Convention--the Treize spy died of an "accident" my foot...

Not that the Imperial Roman military is snow-white pure either--not with the massive troop build-up in Nomansland. My suspicion


I was interested in Aisha's different take on the winged skeleton and its role in the Ancient War. Sounds to me that the saying is true--there are at least two sides to every story--and until we get the version of the Flame Maiden Legend she learned, the picture will remain incomplete. Only now there's a hint that it IS incomplete, where before the Seize version was something of a one-book Gospel.
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Haha, during that 'test' of Felicia I had the exact same reaction of the other three~
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Posted 6/17/10 , edited 6/17/10

InsertSomethingCleverHere wrote:
the Treize spy died of an "accident" my foot...

Too bad there wasn't more info about her.
What do you think she was like?
I'm imagining someone around Aisha's age, maybe a darker-skinned version of Azuza from K-ON.
But her body couldn't take what they put her through...

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