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American-Vietnam War
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35 / F / Montreal
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Posted 5/30/07
Am I mistaken or Vietnam as been colonized-invaded over and over... and again, and more over.... right until that war happend... ???? correct me pls... if I'm wrong, cause I don't know...
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I'm Very lucky to be living here rather than Vietnam because Vietnam is now a communist country.
But i still go there sometime to visit my relitives
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30 / F / Houston, TX
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The US lost because they forgot one important thing:

Vietnam's resolve to UNITE their country, whether it was under commie or democratic rule, was way way way stronger than the US's resolve in personal political interest.

Ho Chi Minh sought out thousands of supporters using the rhetoric of unifying the country against oppression and foreign occupance. France's withdrawal during WWII was very important to them and realizing that France wanted its colony back, they took arms with China on their side. The US was greatly concerned because wtf communism is spreading. Then they put that idiot Diem to lead S. Vietnam and he became paranoid and obsessed with winning that he turned completely totalitarian. Everything fell apart from here, throw in the Viet Congs who were actually South Vietnamese but supported the North Communist Vietnam. Add a couple of bad warfare tactics and crappy presidency of Johnson/Nixon and voila you have a big, ugly disaster.

We can't really say who the winner is. All I know is, this is a big cancer for the US because it was the first war we lost in front of the whole wide world. Don't even get me started on Nixon's stance in this war cuz I'll just get mad.
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I really duno if it was good, but Im glad i live in the US. Vietnam must of been somethin since the U.S. lost ...LOl
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26 / M / Body in NY Mind i...
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^lol the U.S. didnt lose because it was never their war to begin with. Besides the President never declared war on North Vietnam. So it was south vietnam that actually lost their fight for democracy. America got to walk away with a few dead (which was around 300,000 not sure). Is this why we like our corrupt nation because WE (youth in general) have not been on the battlefield. If this is a democracy then i`m living in a real weird place.
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Posted 5/30/07
It's a totally good thing that the US lost, we're better off with less "democratic" countries.
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30 / F / Houston, TX
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Posted 5/30/07
Ahh the opinions of our valued youths. Stay in school folks.
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Posted 5/30/07
From my understanding the reason we "lost" was because our commanders and soldiers on the battlefield had to play a game of bureaucracy with the people above them.
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37 / F / Fort Meade, MD
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From a military standpoint, the war in vietnam was just that.. a war...
What actaully makes it a "black spot" in US history, is that it was the first war ever televised live. The American public saw what war was really like and freaked out... all the draftees were scared out of thier minds without the military prep time before battle.
War is a very messy business...
FYI WWII used children to kill as well... So did almost every war in history. Vietnam war was the first public acknowledgement of this.
The horrible part baout the whole thing is that the soldiers were treated very very very poorly when they came back. Things thrown at them and people screamed baby killer to them, when they already had enough to deal with. The schock of actual warfare is a very traumatic thing. and for the public that was supposed to be thier "safe haven" to treat them that way for something they had no choice in doing...
War is simply this...
Kill or be killed.
They wanted to stay alive.
That's why I 100% suport my troops in this war against Iraq/terrorism. I may not support the ideals of the war, but those men and women are fighting for thier own free will.... they all enlisted of thier own choice and for ANYONE to say they are wrong or that they should come home, should be shot. (figuratively)
Like the chick that became "the face of protest" cindy something rather. I'm glad the bitch gave up. She was smearing her son's work and name through the mud. She should have been proud that he died doing something he believed in.
We all watch Anime and Asian films, do they ever show the signs of weakness that the American public does when it comes to country? Think about it. If you aren't from teh US, then you have absolutely no right to complain about anything here... the same goes for those who don't vote.
If you didn't make an informed choice on who you wanted to be in office, then shut up...
The only way to truely defeat war is by gaining intelligence...
People who are ignorant want to use what they have to fight...
if you have more faculties to use to fight your battles, then you have the ulitmate control.
Now, I didn't vote for Bush, but at the same time, the majority of my coutry did. So I trust the fate of my coutry to the man that the mojority voted for.
However the President doesn't really have that much power, so it really doesn't matter who the hell you vote into the oval office, it's the congreemen you vote for that really do the work of the government.
sorry off topic there..

Vietnam is a beautiful country. I woulnd't want to live there, simply because i like having the right to voice my opinion like i just did without the fear of punishment.

I would like to visit there someday..
But i'm happy where i am.
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32 / F / 名古屋市...そろそろ
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I've done so many research projects on this for my southeast asian specialty in history... There are so many misconceptions and I will say I hate the "would have" history that comes along.
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Dusterbayala wrote:

From a military standpoint, the war in vietnam was just that.. a war...
What actaully makes it a "black spot" in US history, is that it was the first war ever televised live. The American public saw what war was really like and freaked out... all the draftees were scared out of thier minds without the military prep time before battle.
War is a very messy business...
FYI WWII used children to kill as well... So did almost every war in history. Vietnam war was the first public acknowledgement of this.
The horrible part baout the whole thing is that the soldiers were treated very very very poorly when they came back. Things thrown at them and people screamed baby killer to them, when they already had enough to deal with. The schock of actual warfare is a very traumatic thing. and for the public that was supposed to be thier "safe haven" to treat them that way for something they had no choice in doing...
War is simply this...
Kill or be killed.
They wanted to stay alive.
That's why I 100% suport my troops in this war against Iraq/terrorism. I may not support the ideals of the war, but those men and women are fighting for thier own free will.... they all enlisted of thier own choice and for ANYONE to say they are wrong or that they should come home, should be shot. (figuratively)
Like the chick that became "the face of protest" cindy something rather. I'm glad the bitch gave up. She was smearing her son's work and name through the mud. She should have been proud that he died doing something he believed in.
We all watch Anime and Asian films, do they ever show the signs of weakness that the American public does when it comes to country? Think about it. If you aren't from teh US, then you have absolutely no right to complain about anything here... the same goes for those who don't vote.
If you didn't make an informed choice on who you wanted to be in office, then shut up...
The only way to truely defeat war is by gaining intelligence...
People who are ignorant want to use what they have to fight...
if you have more faculties to use to fight your battles, then you have the ulitmate control.
Now, I didn't vote for Bush, but at the same time, the majority of my coutry did. So I trust the fate of my coutry to the man that the mojority voted for.
However the President doesn't really have that much power, so it really doesn't matter who the hell you vote into the oval office, it's the congreemen you vote for that really do the work of the government.
sorry off topic there..

Vietnam is a beautiful country. I woulnd't want to live there, simply because i like having the right to voice my opinion like i just did without the fear of punishment.

I would like to visit there someday..
But i'm happy where i am.


Dude you do know this was not even a war to the U.S. The president never declared war on North Vietnam. They just use the bombing over the ship as an excuse to enter in. Plus this was a Civil war so was communist north vs. democratic south vietnam. Of course the governments wont show truths. If that was the case america would have multiple civil wars.

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Posted 5/30/07
really think discussing politics and subjects as touchy as this in this type of forum is a good thing? atleast its not WW2.
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28 / M / Ontario,Canada
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Posted 5/30/07
Supz guys! My dad was in the south Vietnamese Army or marine( His job was to under cover to look for commie in the army)! He serve his country for 5 years. After the war he went to re-education camp to learn about the commie. He doesn't care about the war, we are from a fishing village. I was born under the commie and i move here when i was 7. i am 18 now and just went to Vietnam 2 months ago. I have c some battlefield place where they fights. I c alot of picture of children's,women and soldiers died. And therefor for those of us whose live in 1st world country are lucky. The people back home are poor, lack of foods. But it getting better now and every1 is happy that there is no war. But there is no Freedom that is bad(can't speak bad about the commie).
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Posted 5/31/07

SenbonzakuraMaster wrote:


Dude you do know this was not even a war to the U.S. The president never declared war on North Vietnam. They just use the bombing over the ship as an excuse to enter in. Plus this was a Civil war so was communist north vs. democratic south vietnam. Of course the governments wont show truths. If that was the case america would have multiple civil wars.



Yeah... it was considered a policing action...
but a policing action to a soldier looks like war...
Anytime there is someone trying to kill you, and your carrrying (sp) full gear, it's war... it may not be called a war by the government (they still aren't calling it a war)
War: 1 a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict.
I'd say that's what happened... care to disagree?
Call it whatever you like... It was war.
Just like any of the U.S.'s "policing actions" same with the UN.
My brother is a UN police officer. He's been through two bombings, and has been shot at repeatedly. Since he's not a member of the countries he's in, it's considered an act of war. However, the distinguishing factor for his actions to be not considred war, is that the UN, is considered the world's police force. (per the geneva convention) so he has the right to be there doing what he's doing.
While Vietnam, we went to help the french and when we got there, the french said thanks, bye!
so we stayed to fight thier fight, but it was still an open hostility between two countries. North Vietnam didn't want us to help South Vietnam.
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30 / F / Houston, TX
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Posted 5/31/07
The Viet Congs from South Vietnam didn't want the US to help them either.
In the end it all comes down to the US, being an outside force, fighting for the "right reasons" at the wrong place and at the wrong time.

Dusterbayala, I like the way you think, because unlike the majority of not only this forum but probably of the whole civilized world, you are able to base your beliefs after thinking through it critically and using actual facts that went down in history and not the slander of rhetoric propaganda and ignorance that people oh so love to spread.

This war may not have been "official", but it was a war nonetheless. Whosoever thinks that the war in Vietnam does not count as a war is a moron. If the president sent thousands of men and armaments to a faraway country and you see the media TELEVISING this altercation (for their own political agendas), and you see explosions, death, negotiations, diplomacy, etc... one with a working brain should be able to assume that it's war.

zoomin123, why is discussing about politics and history not a good thing? Ignorant people tend to stay away from threads like these anyways because they wouldn't know any better, although we get a couple of brave ones who will post their stupidity online. I think our generation needs to apply themselves into learning about these topics because we are getting much too old and much too dumb. You do know that when our parents' parents and parents are gone, it will be up to us to take care of these things. A scary thought.........
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