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Right now Obama and his cronies are passing damaging legislation. The vote is going on and people are protesting. Obama has not even acknowledged they exist and they are acting arrogant about this bill. The majority of the American people do not want this bill, yet the Democrats screw their constituents and are voting for it anyway. I hope this legislation fails, and if it passes it deeps to be taken to court and seen as illegal. This is a prime example of a corrupt government screwing the people in favor of an arrogant ideologies goals of destroying America. Obama is such an arrogant foolish leader and he is shadily destroying America. God be with my country, because we have wicked rulers in power right now. What do you all think of this? And what do you think about the fact that the majority of American's don't want this bill and it is entirely partisan for the Democrats? No Republicans support this, some Democrats don't, but regardless it will be a narrow margin if it is struck down.
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So that the US health care system can be an elite entitlement program, that's only affordable for the 10% of the US citizens that own 70% of the nation's wealth, due to the current state of the private health insurance policy. When wealth owns health.

When the end doesn't justify the means, it's ultimately the thought that counts.
Posted 3/21/10
I am kind of split on this health care, I mean if we keep postponing it we will never get anywhere and our crappy healthcare system will never get any better, and I think everyone should have at least some form of basic healthcare. . .there are going to have to be taxes raises that is eneviatble, what I want to know is where Obama is goning to get all the money for this. . .still I think we should just pass this one or everyone stops acting selfish and actually sits down, compromise, and come up with something that WORKS!!!
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DomFortress wrote:

So that the US health care system can be an elite entitlement program, that's only affordable for the 10% of the US citizens that own 70% of the nation's wealth, due to the current state of the private health insurance policy. When wealth owns health.

When the end doesn't justify the means, it's ultimately the thought that counts.


This new bill gives money to the insurance companies and razes prices for everyone. It's a foolish and wrong endeavor. They don't care about the American people, they care about political bribes. 49% oppose this bill and 40% want it yet our voices aren't being heard in Washington and our protesters are being ignored and discriminated against. Reform does need to happen, but not this kind. What they need to do is allow everyone to buy healthcare policies across state lines and give assistance to those who can't afford it.

If it's just the thought that counts, then we should see it for the wickedness that it is. They don't care about the American people, they support this legislation because it's what the Democrats want and not what the people want. They love gaining power over the private sector and that's what this does. It's about their selfish ambition, not about helping people. If it was about helping people they wouldn't be imposing a huge fine on poor people that can't/don't buy insurance.

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They actually did try to compromise, a meeting was held with both Democrats and Republicans and the meeting was held by Obama. Everything Republicans said Obama ignored, lied about, or flatly said that he wasn't going to respond because it's just "talking points." There are no Republican ideas in this bill, and the vote is strictly partisan, no Republicans support it and Democrats are voting for it and totally ignoring their constituents.
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I don't know a lot about this bill, it's supposed to bring universal health care, right? I know the majority of Americans want health care reform. Wait, it gives money to health care companies and raises prices for everyone? What about universal health care?

How do you know the majority of Americans oppose this bill? I can't find a poll on it.

I don't got time read over the whole bill, but the summaries of it I've read doesn't make it seem worse than the system the US has had for years. One problem I can see is that it seems like it's being rushed and very few Americans know what it would do.
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Yei wrote:

I don't know a lot about this bill, it's supposed to bring universal health care, right? I know the majority of Americans want health care reform. Why is it so horrible?

How do you know the majority of Americans oppose this bill? I can't find a poll on it.

I don't got time read over the whole bill, but the summaries of it I've read doesn't make it seem worse than the system the US has had for years. One problem I can see is that it seems like it's being rushed and very few Americans know what it would do.


Actually the removed the universal public option. What this bill is doing is it is forcing people to buy private insurance plans, and not just any plan, but an expensive one. Plus those with really expensive plans will be taxed extra for them. Also, anyone without insurance has to pay a large fine for not buying a private service. It's corruption, and it's forcing everyone to buy from corrupt health insurance companies. They say the bill will remove insurance companies denying people because of pre existing conditions (which is good). However, what this means is that everyone will have to pay much more for their plans to offset the costs.

And 2/3 of Americans want reform, but 40% support this kind and 49% are against it. Most people do not want the kind of reform in this bill, and it only serves the special interests of insurance companies.
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digs wrote:


Yei wrote:

I don't know a lot about this bill, it's supposed to bring universal health care, right? I know the majority of Americans want health care reform. Why is it so horrible?

How do you know the majority of Americans oppose this bill? I can't find a poll on it.

I don't got time read over the whole bill, but the summaries of it I've read doesn't make it seem worse than the system the US has had for years. One problem I can see is that it seems like it's being rushed and very few Americans know what it would do.


Actually the removed the universal public option. What this bill is doing is it is forcing people to buy private insurance plans, and not just any plan, but an expensive one. Plus those with really expensive plans will be taxed extra for them. Also, anyone without insurance has to pay a large fine for not buying a private service. It's corruption, and it's forcing everyone to buy from corrupt health insurance companies. They say the bill will remove insurance companies denying people because of pre existing conditions (which is good). However, what this means is that everyone will have to pay much more for their plans to offset the costs.

And 2/3 of Americans want reform, but 40% support this kind and 49% are against it. Most people do not want the kind of reform in this bill, and it only serves the special interests of insurance companies.


So people will still have to pay for health care? What if they can't? That's obviously not universal health care, or will the government just pay for everyone's insurance?
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:


Yei wrote:

I don't know a lot about this bill, it's supposed to bring universal health care, right? I know the majority of Americans want health care reform. Why is it so horrible?

How do you know the majority of Americans oppose this bill? I can't find a poll on it.

I don't got time read over the whole bill, but the summaries of it I've read doesn't make it seem worse than the system the US has had for years. One problem I can see is that it seems like it's being rushed and very few Americans know what it would do.


Actually the removed the universal public option. What this bill is doing is it is forcing people to buy private insurance plans, and not just any plan, but an expensive one. Plus those with really expensive plans will be taxed extra for them. Also, anyone without insurance has to pay a large fine for not buying a private service. It's corruption, and it's forcing everyone to buy from corrupt health insurance companies. They say the bill will remove insurance companies denying people because of pre existing conditions (which is good). However, what this means is that everyone will have to pay much more for their plans to offset the costs.

And 2/3 of Americans want reform, but 40% support this kind and 49% are against it. Most people do not want the kind of reform in this bill, and it only serves the special interests of insurance companies.


So people will still have to pay for health care? What if they can't? That's obviously not universal health care, or will the government just pay for everyone's insurance?


Yes, people still have to pay for health insurance, and if they can't afford it they have to pay a large fine ($500 a month I believe). Some people with cheaper insurance plans will have to buy more expensive ones if the government says they don't cover enough healthcare costs. The government is paying for no one's insurance, and as I said, they are fining people who don't buy it.
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Yes, people still have to pay for health insurance, and if they can't afford it they have to pay a large fine ($500 a month I believe). Some people with cheaper insurance plans will have to buy more expensive ones if the government says they don't cover enough healthcare costs. The government is paying for no one's insurance, and as I said, they are fining people who don't buy it.


If people can't afford health insurance, they have to pay more money? Wait, so they have to pay the fine, but they still get the health insurance, right? And what if they can't pay the fine? I thought this was a universal health care bill.
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digs wrote:

Yes, people still have to pay for health insurance, and if they can't afford it they have to pay a large fine ($500 a month I believe). Some people with cheaper insurance plans will have to buy more expensive ones if the government says they don't cover enough healthcare costs. The government is paying for no one's insurance, and as I said, they are fining people who don't buy it.


If people can't afford health insurance, they have to pay more money? Wait, so they have to pay the fine, but they still get the health insurance, right? And what if they can't pay the fine? I thought this was a universal health care bill.


Nope, they pay the fine and they get nothing for it. It's a way of forcing people to either buy health insurance or pay a fine and receive nothing. It's their way of forcing you to pay money whether you want to or not. So you can pay a fine, or give it to the insurance companies and receive insurance. However, some plans they require would cost over $1,000 a month for a family of 4-6, under this new bill costs will skyrocket because insurance is forced to cover people with pre existing conditions (which will be higher for them too), and they are also forcing insurance companies to pay for people in the emergency room that don't have insurance (usually the government pays that). However, any "benefits" the bill provides are not going to be implemented for four years. The taxes and fines start immediately though.
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Nope, they pay the fine and they get nothing for it. It's a way of forcing people to either buy health insurance or pay a fine and receive nothing. It's their way of forcing you to pay money whether you want to or not. So you can pay a fine, or give it to the insurance companies and receive insurance. However, some plans they require would cost over $1,000 a month for a family of 4-6, under this new bill costs will skyrocket because insurance is forced to cover people with pre existing conditions (which will be higher for them too), and they are also forcing insurance companies to pay for people in the emergency room that don't have insurance (usually the government pays that). However, any "benefits" the bill provides are not going to be implemented for four years. The taxes and fines start immediately though.


But there's a huge number of people who couldn't afford insurance or healthcare before, and that was the problem.....

So those people who can't afford it just don't get health care? And they have to pay a fine for being poor? It's a little hard to believe, are you sure you've described it right? It just seems a little ridiculous.
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digs wrote:

Nope, they pay the fine and they get nothing for it. It's a way of forcing people to either buy health insurance or pay a fine and receive nothing. It's their way of forcing you to pay money whether you want to or not. So you can pay a fine, or give it to the insurance companies and receive insurance. However, some plans they require would cost over $1,000 a month for a family of 4-6, under this new bill costs will skyrocket because insurance is forced to cover people with pre existing conditions (which will be higher for them too), and they are also forcing insurance companies to pay for people in the emergency room that don't have insurance (usually the government pays that). However, any "benefits" the bill provides are not going to be implemented for four years. The taxes and fines start immediately though.


But there's a huge number of people who couldn't afford insurance or healthcare before, and that was the problem.....

So those people who can't afford it just don't get health care? And they have to pay a fine for being poor? It's a little hard to believe, are you sure you've described it right? It just seems a little ridiculous.


Actually, only a few people (roughly 10% of the population) don't have insurance, and many don't because they chose not to buy it (they are young and healthy and want to save money). If you are poor you can get on government aid that pays for your healthcare. Essentially, if you don't have insurance in America it's because you don't file for aid or your not willing to budges to insurance. Right now the government pays the most medical bills compared to the insurance companies anyway.

If people can't afford healthcare they pay a fine, if people chose not to buy healthcare they pay a fine. What they are trying to do is force you to buy insurance because you have to spend the money anyway. I am describing it right, and the bill is ridiculous. That's why the majority of America doesn't support this. The Democrats say it's good because insurance companies have to give insurance to people with pre existing conditions (however, their plans will be extremely high) and that if someone has no insurance and goes to the emergency room, the insurance company will pay for someone with no policy anyway (the government does that now, but instead they are handing it over to the insurance companies). Any "good" that this bill will do doesn't happen for four years, but taxes and fines start now. The government is also taking over the insurance companies too which count for 1/6 of our American economy.
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DomFortress wrote:

So that the US health care system can be an elite entitlement program, that's only affordable for the 10% of the US citizens that own 70% of the nation's wealth, due to the current state of the private health insurance policy. When wealth owns health.

When the end doesn't justify the means, it's ultimately the thought that counts.


This new bill gives money to the insurance companies and razes prices for everyone. It's a foolish and wrong endeavor. They don't care about the American people, they care about political bribes. 49% oppose this bill and 40% want it yet our voices aren't being heard in Washington and our protesters are being ignored and discriminated against. Reform does need to happen, but not this kind. What they need to do is allow everyone to buy healthcare policies across state lines and give assistance to those who can't afford it.

If it's just the thought that counts, then we should see it for the wickedness that it is. They don't care about the American people, they support this legislation because it's what the Democrats want and not what the people want. They love gaining power over the private sector and that's what this does. It's about their selfish ambition, not about helping people. If it was about helping people they wouldn't be imposing a huge fine on poor people that can't/don't buy insurance.
And isn't that the exact same thing what the private health insurance companies are doing with their policies? While this universal health care reconciliation bill is ensuring a better basic health care coverage for all, when US is a nation without a rudimentary universal health care coverage for all its US citizen to begin with(citation). Due to the fact that for the longest time the US health care system is a privatized insurance based service, not an universal right.

Therefore you seem to confused with what I meant about how the thought that counts, when it's the Republicans who are homogenized with their stance on opposing this bill. By an executive decision from the most wealthiest lobbyists and their financial supporters, who BTW want to exclude those with preexisting health conditions from private health insurance service. Because they are seen by the private health insurance companies as a liability for profit.

So in order for us to be clear with your real motive, what's your thought and feeling on altruism's worth? In other words name your price for universal health care coverage for all, and be realistic about it. Otherwise, it's back to private health insurance companies owning health care coverage, affordable only to the elite wealthiest few per usual.
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America needs to man up and and nationalise healthcare already.
Posted 3/21/10
well it's the dems time to screw everything up, I mean George W. rammed through bills after bills that nobody wanted and did it with out any bi-partisan votes. So there is no need to say that Obama is doing harm to America because he did the same damn thing, I will just set back and see Obama destroy America as much George Bush did.
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