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Posted 3/25/10

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I suppose so, I don't know enough about politics to debate about it.
However, to a trained human behavioral analyst, what those people are doing isn't really all that different than the ones who egged them on in the first place with their rhetoric(by that I meant the Republicans'). It's basically how people caught inside a cult would react with a mob mentality, not politics.


So what about the shooting of a Republican office not to long ago?http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/25/house-gop-no-2-someone-shot-at-my-office/ What about the Democrat rhetoric that says "Republicans want you all to die, only the rich can have healthcare. Republicans think the poor should die so the rich may get more. Republicans don't like this bill because they want you to die and are for big business insurance..." I could easily go on.
So do you still call that "freedom of speech"? When your legislators just passed this law that basically allowing everyone to throw mud at each others.

Also, victimization can sometimes be self-inflicted. And in this case it certainly were the Republicans who started with their repetitive rhetoric of verbal assaults on the Democrats. All because of some bill that the public didn't know any detail about.

In information warfare, there's an ocean of difference between a lack of information than disinformation. Whereas the former just creates uncertainty, while the latter can leads to war. So which one do you think the Republicans are in favor of?
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Man up UK is gone the way French. A man takes care of his family and himself. Looking for hand outs from others UK has health care problems if i am not mistaking Taiwan the Philippians etc' and pay out of there on pockets. Get another ten years, under your belt your at least go into the armed force's. That may help you learn to be a man.
Posted 3/25/10 , edited 3/25/10

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Man up UK is gone the way French. A man takes care of his family and himself. Looking for hand outs from others UK has health care problems if i am not mistaking Taiwan the Philippians etc' and pay out of there on pockets. Get another ten years, under your belt your at least go into the armed force's. That may help you learn to be a man.
EXTRA! EXTRA! Read all 'bout it! US gets handouts from China!

Personal attacks without claims just aren't the same without real bite. And even so, it's just a derailing tactic to avoid the subject matter, that for the longest time the US health care coverage got hijacked by the wealthiest 10%. When wealth owns health.
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Democracy have never done well the dumb mass represent lower end of the people in a country. Living on off the government you should not be able to vote. You receiving even food stamps you should not vote. If you can not read wright and comprehend the basics of the of your languish. I am feed up with leeches maybe if they worked the understand some about life. Then again Darwin come to mind for me! I do not have much respect for any one that votes down party lines. If you don't have a clue that the person stands for or at least states his platform.
Posted 3/25/10 , edited 3/25/10

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Democracy have never done well the dumb mass represent lower end of the people in a country. Living on off the government you should not be able to vote. You receiving even food stamps you should not vote. If you can not read wright and comprehend the basics of the of your languish. I am feed up with leeches maybe if they worked the understand some about life. Then again Darwin come to mind for me! I do not have much respect for any one that votes down party lines. If you don't have a clue that the person stands for or at least states his platform.


First of all, some people have it worse off than others. The United States Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, historically and commonly known as the Food Stamp Program, is a federal-assistance program that provides assistance to low- and no-income people and families living in the U.S. For whatever reason they're unable to work, they have the right to receive such assistance for the benefit of their families. Someone like you couldn't possibly understand this. "Leeching the system," please.


If you can not read wright and comprehend the basics of the of your languish.


The irony is overflowing, you can't even use the word right right. Maybe it is you that is unable to comprehend the basics of your own language, which I'm assuming is English. If you did, then you would know that languish which means to fade away is incorrect, and that language is.

To say they have no right to vote is denying them of their constitutional rights as American citizens, who are you to deny them of that?
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Posted 3/26/10
I wished you knew just bad off i am. I lived off the government the last few years. brain trauma finely caught up to me from childhood. Telling your employers you need to keep a Doctors appointment at the Veterans center dose not go over well. Being beat into unconsciousness state left me some what damage. I use or it uses me going in out of shock. I did hide my problems for most of my life I lost jobs for looking like I was on drug's. Employers are not very interested in hiring some body like me. As for being deprived of food my mother would be mad at my father so going underfeed for several day's at a time. Like in the past begging god to kill me started by 4 years old. I am have some problems with spelling or relying on spell check. By the way I looked at your profile , I hope you have a long and happy life just do not take to many shot's to the head. Sounds like you have a bright future. I am good with numbers, spelling is tough for me I was being mostly hard of hearing until I went to school. I do enjoy history but coming up precise dates of the top of my head is some what difficulty. Nutrition for children find having mom selling food card credits at half of there card makes me ill. I know the kid's are goings with out food or at least good nutrition. I have seen so many bad thing these last few years. A mother leaving theirs kids at a friends place for a few hour's. then not show up for a week. Young mother having 5 children before twenty, is sicking to me. There mother was the same way this, children have very little chance of ever having a future. I do not vote because of jury duty, in a group i get sick and find myself feeling like i am in a tunnel. GOOD LUCK get a degree in something useful, as of now a liberally arts degree has value. Specialized degrees can cut both ways.
Posted 3/26/10 , edited 3/26/10

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I wished you knew just bad off i am. I lived off the government the last few years. brain trauma finely caught up to me from childhood. Telling your employers you need to keep a Doctors appointment at the Veterans center dose not go over well. Being beat into unconsciousness state left me some what damage. I use or it uses me going in out of shock. I did hide my problems for most of my life I lost jobs for looking like I was on drug's. Employers are not very interested in hiring some body like me. As for being deprived of food my mother would be mad at my father so going underfeed for several day's at a time. Like in the past begging god to kill me started by 4 years old. I am have some problems with spelling or relying on spell check. By the way I looked at your profile , I hope you have a long and happy life just do not take to many shot's to the head. Sounds like you have a bright future. I am good with numbers, spelling is tough for me I was being mostly hard of hearing until I went to school. I do enjoy history but coming up precise dates of the top of my head is some what difficulty. Nutrition for children find having mom selling food card credits at half of there card makes me ill. I know the kid's are goings with out food or at least good nutrition. I have seen so many bad thing these last few years. A mother leaving theirs kids at a friends place for a few hour's. then not show up for a week. Young mother having 5 children before twenty, is sicking to me. There mother was the same way this, children have very little chance of ever having a future. I do not vote because of jury duty, in a group i get sick and find myself feeling like i am in a tunnel. GOOD LUCK get a degree in something useful, as of now a liberally arts degree has value. Specialized degrees can cut both ways.


Now I feel guilty. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be so rude.
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Nothing to be sorry about. i just seen and been through more then most.
Posted 3/26/10

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tarakelly wrote:

I wished you knew just bad off i am. I lived off the government the last few years. brain trauma finely caught up to me from childhood. Telling your employers you need to keep a Doctors appointment at the Veterans center dose not go over well. Being beat into unconsciousness state left me some what damage. I use or it uses me going in out of shock. I did hide my problems for most of my life I lost jobs for looking like I was on drug's. Employers are not very interested in hiring some body like me. As for being deprived of food my mother would be mad at my father so going underfeed for several day's at a time. Like in the past begging god to kill me started by 4 years old. I am have some problems with spelling or relying on spell check. By the way I looked at your profile , I hope you have a long and happy life just do not take to many shot's to the head. Sounds like you have a bright future. I am good with numbers, spelling is tough for me I was being mostly hard of hearing until I went to school. I do enjoy history but coming up precise dates of the top of my head is some what difficulty. Nutrition for children find having mom selling food card credits at half of there card makes me ill. I know the kid's are goings with out food or at least good nutrition. I have seen so many bad thing these last few years. A mother leaving theirs kids at a friends place for a few hour's. then not show up for a week. Young mother having 5 children before twenty, is sicking to me. There mother was the same way this, children have very little chance of ever having a future. I do not vote because of jury duty, in a group i get sick and find myself feeling like i am in a tunnel. GOOD LUCK get a degree in something useful, as of now a liberally arts degree has value. Specialized degrees can cut both ways.


Now I feel guilty. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be so rude.
You were just being matter of fact. It's not like she had all that personal information posted on her CR profile.
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What do you mean by "freedom of speech" and "throwing mud at each other"? We should be able to speak our political freedoms freely, the government has absolutely no right to silence us.

The Democrats had far worse verbal assaults on Republicans, it was almost sickening during the Bush days to hear what they would say about him and the Republicans. The public didn't want the bill, it's hard to know every detail when the thing is over 2,000 pages long. Again, the tragedy is that democracy was crushed. The Democrats voted against their constituents for pure party ties, bribes, and ideology. The only bipartisan thing in the bill was that all Republicans and some Democrats voted against this, only Democrats voted for it. It doesn't matter if people think this is good or bad or if they are Democrat or Republican. The fact is that the majority of America doesn't want this, and the Democrats shamefully voted for it and screwed those who elected them to represent them.

Posted 3/27/10 , edited 3/27/10

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What do you mean by "freedom of speech" and "throwing mud at each other"? We should be able to speak our political freedoms freely, the government has absolutely no right to silence us.

The Democrats had far worse verbal assaults on Republicans, it was almost sickening during the Bush days to hear what they would say about him and the Republicans. The public didn't want the bill, it's hard to know every detail when the thing is over 2,000 pages long. Again, the tragedy is that democracy was crushed. The Democrats voted against their constituents for pure party ties, bribes, and ideology. The only bipartisan thing in the bill was that all Republicans and some Democrats voted against this, only Democrats voted for it. It doesn't matter if people think this is good or bad or if they are Democrat or Republican. The fact is that the majority of America doesn't want this, and the Democrats shamefully voted for it and screwed those who elected them to represent them.

So how and why did the people's hateful personal opinions toward the Democrats, have any relevant with the fact that both themselves and the Republicans were just too lazy to sit down and read the health care bill for themselves? Regardless of the fact that Bush and the Republicans didn't even touch the subject that was health care reform, because they were too eager to force everything else during their administration.
Posted 3/27/10
I hate both sides of the parties because neither one care or give a FLYING FUCK about the voters, they care more about special interest groups than anything else. This passing just proves that for a fact, I wanted really good health care reform I really did but what they passed was rushed, bargained way to much with special interest groups, and now PEOPLE ARE forced to have some form health insurance buy 2014 or they will be fined and even jailed. Sigh I don't know what to think anymore, I had hope that something would change but nothing ever changes for good It just gets worse.
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Posted 3/28/10

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digs wrote:



What do you mean by "freedom of speech" and "throwing mud at each other"? We should be able to speak our political freedoms freely, the government has absolutely no right to silence us.

The Democrats had far worse verbal assaults on Republicans, it was almost sickening during the Bush days to hear what they would say about him and the Republicans. The public didn't want the bill, it's hard to know every detail when the thing is over 2,000 pages long. Again, the tragedy is that democracy was crushed. The Democrats voted against their constituents for pure party ties, bribes, and ideology. The only bipartisan thing in the bill was that all Republicans and some Democrats voted against this, only Democrats voted for it. It doesn't matter if people think this is good or bad or if they are Democrat or Republican. The fact is that the majority of America doesn't want this, and the Democrats shamefully voted for it and screwed those who elected them to represent them.

So how and why did the people's hateful personal opinions toward the Democrats, have any relevant with the fact that both themselves and the Republicans were just too lazy to sit down and read the health care bill for themselves? Regardless of the fact that Bush and the Republicans didn't even touch the subject that was health care reform, because they were too eager to force everything else during their administration.


A few people have hateful opinions, just as many Democrats hated Bush and have even shot at Republican offices because they plan to take this illegal bill to court. Hardly anybody read the bill, and the Republicans were the ones to admit that, not the Dems. You should see this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QycU6D6OMUU. You have not addressed my main concern yet. The majority of America does not want this bill, the Democrats smacked their constituents and voted in a completely partisan fashion for legislation that will only hurt the American people. The only bipartisan part was the opposition to the bill! It was incredibly partisan and had so many special deals in it while being written without the promised transparency of the Obama administration. Even the week before it passed they snuck in legislation to regulate students loans (another thing that was unpopular). This is a prime example of partisanship and a defiance of the American people. It doesn't matter what Bush did, it doesn't matter what Clinton did, what matters is what happened now and how we are going to repeal this garbage that was vomited upon the American people.

Posted 3/28/10 , edited 3/28/10

digs wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


digs wrote:



What do you mean by "freedom of speech" and "throwing mud at each other"? We should be able to speak our political freedoms freely, the government has absolutely no right to silence us.

The Democrats had far worse verbal assaults on Republicans, it was almost sickening during the Bush days to hear what they would say about him and the Republicans. The public didn't want the bill, it's hard to know every detail when the thing is over 2,000 pages long. Again, the tragedy is that democracy was crushed. The Democrats voted against their constituents for pure party ties, bribes, and ideology. The only bipartisan thing in the bill was that all Republicans and some Democrats voted against this, only Democrats voted for it. It doesn't matter if people think this is good or bad or if they are Democrat or Republican. The fact is that the majority of America doesn't want this, and the Democrats shamefully voted for it and screwed those who elected them to represent them.

So how and why did the people's hateful personal opinions toward the Democrats, have any relevant with the fact that both themselves and the Republicans were just too lazy to sit down and read the health care bill for themselves? Regardless of the fact that Bush and the Republicans didn't even touch the subject that was health care reform, because they were too eager to force everything else during their administration.


A few people have hateful opinions, just as many Democrats hated Bush and have even shot at Republican offices because they plan to take this illegal bill to court. Hardly anybody read the bill, and the Republicans were the ones to admit that, not the Dems. You should see this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QycU6D6OMUU. You have not addressed my main concern yet. The majority of America does not want this bill, the Democrats smacked their constituents and voted in a completely partisan fashion for legislation that will only hurt the American people. The only bipartisan part was the opposition to the bill! It was incredibly partisan and had so many special deals in it while being written without the promised transparency of the Obama administration. Even the week before it passed they snuck in legislation to regulate students loans (another thing that was unpopular). This is a prime example of partisanship and a defiance of the American people. It doesn't matter what Bush did, it doesn't matter what Clinton did, what matters is what happened now and how we are going to repeal this garbage that was vomited upon the American people.
Please, as if they were smart and diligent in the first place to even figure that out for themselves.

Democracy demands an informed electorate. Voters who lack adequate knowledge about politics will find it difficult to control public policy. Inadequate voter knowledge prevents government from reflecting the will of the people in any meaningful way. Such ignorance also raises doubts about democracy as a means of serving the interests of a majority. Voters who lack sufficient knowledge may be manipulated by elites. They may also demand policies that contravene their own interests.(citation)

From "When Ignorance Isn't Bliss: How Political Ignorance Threatens Democracy" by Ilya Somin
So when the only opposition was due to their incredible ignorance of political process, who can the Republicans and their supporters to blame but themselves for their own lack of civil knowledge?

Thus the Republicans lost their democracy to those who are in the knows, and they'll know none the wiser due to their entitlement attitude. I mean come on! Refuse to read the whole bill just because it's too long? All the while the Republicans just whined and complained about the work? When it's their job to learn the whole facts about this bill, but they were just too busy raging war by taking it apart.
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Posted 3/28/10

DomFortress wrote:


digs wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


digs wrote:



What do you mean by "freedom of speech" and "throwing mud at each other"? We should be able to speak our political freedoms freely, the government has absolutely no right to silence us.

The Democrats had far worse verbal assaults on Republicans, it was almost sickening during the Bush days to hear what they would say about him and the Republicans. The public didn't want the bill, it's hard to know every detail when the thing is over 2,000 pages long. Again, the tragedy is that democracy was crushed. The Democrats voted against their constituents for pure party ties, bribes, and ideology. The only bipartisan thing in the bill was that all Republicans and some Democrats voted against this, only Democrats voted for it. It doesn't matter if people think this is good or bad or if they are Democrat or Republican. The fact is that the majority of America doesn't want this, and the Democrats shamefully voted for it and screwed those who elected them to represent them.

So how and why did the people's hateful personal opinions toward the Democrats, have any relevant with the fact that both themselves and the Republicans were just too lazy to sit down and read the health care bill for themselves? Regardless of the fact that Bush and the Republicans didn't even touch the subject that was health care reform, because they were too eager to force everything else during their administration.


A few people have hateful opinions, just as many Democrats hated Bush and have even shot at Republican offices because they plan to take this illegal bill to court. Hardly anybody read the bill, and the Republicans were the ones to admit that, not the Dems. You should see this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QycU6D6OMUU. You have not addressed my main concern yet. The majority of America does not want this bill, the Democrats smacked their constituents and voted in a completely partisan fashion for legislation that will only hurt the American people. The only bipartisan part was the opposition to the bill! It was incredibly partisan and had so many special deals in it while being written without the promised transparency of the Obama administration. Even the week before it passed they snuck in legislation to regulate students loans (another thing that was unpopular). This is a prime example of partisanship and a defiance of the American people. It doesn't matter what Bush did, it doesn't matter what Clinton did, what matters is what happened now and how we are going to repeal this garbage that was vomited upon the American people.
Please, as if they were smart and diligent in the first place to even figure that out for themselves.

Democracy demands an informed electorate. Voters who lack adequate knowledge about politics will find it difficult to control public policy. Inadequate voter knowledge prevents government from reflecting the will of the people in any meaningful way. Such ignorance also raises doubts about democracy as a means of serving the interests of a majority. Voters who lack sufficient knowledge may be manipulated by elites. They may also demand policies that contravene their own interests.(citation)

From "When Ignorance Isn't Bliss: How Political Ignorance Threatens Democracy" by Ilya Somin
So when the only opposition was due to their incredible ignorance of political process, who can the Republicans and their supporters to blame but themselves for their own lack of civil knowledge?

Thus the Republicans lost their democracy to those who are in the knows, and they'll know none the wiser due to their entitlement attitude. I mean come on! Refuse to read the whole bill just because it's too long? All the while the Republicans just whined and complained about the work? When it's their job to learn the whole facts about this bill, but they were just too busy raging war by taking it apart.


Their opposition was because the bill is terrible, not because they had a lack of knowledge. This bill affects my loans (more expensive) and my financially hurting family has to pay extra on our insurance because my father is considered to be self employed. Plus as someone wanting to into the medical field this bill affects my career and future. Not everyone objects because they are ignorant of it, we object because we know some of the bad things within this 2,300 page monstrosity. We don't like big government, we don't like higher taxes, we don't like paying more, and we don't like Obama's liberal agenda.

The Republicans lost their majority because of Bush and the media constantly bashing him. Bush wasn't a conservative, he sent us into debt and grew government as well. The Dems played on Bush's unpopularity and campaigned saying all Republicans were that way. Obama frequently reminds us of Bush and blames him for the all the ills of our country while he himself hypocritically makes even worse mistakes. The Republicans lost their democracy because people were sick of their leadership, and rightfully so. However, what replaced them was far worse and now America is waking up. If Obama did anything good it's that he has energized and awaken the conservatives in my country and we won't have any more of his liberal, big government, less freedom agenda Why can't they refuse the bill because it's 2,300 pages long? It's a massive atrocity! The Democrats didn't read it, and the Republicans knew about the bad things in it as well as many Americans. I would say those who support it are ignorant of the truth of the bill. Many will rubber stamp anything Obama says and live a life of government entitlement. You have not yet discussed why it's ok for the Dems to defy the will of the people and go against their constituents. They voted along partisan lines and ignored the will of the people. This is not right and America is furious over this.
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