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Posted 4/8/10

DomFortress wrote:

Who are Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Nation, with their rhetoric of even more scare tactics but no realistic solutions nor insights. Truly these "independents" are even more radical than their Republican allies, and it's just a ploy to undermine independent voters with even more entitlement claims.


Scare tactics? Talking about a rising debt isn't scare tactics. Scare tactics are saying the world will end in 2020 due to global warming, or saying we are all going to die unless we pass healthcare reform. They offer solutions, and wonderful ones. Lower taxes, less government, less spending, and real conservative values. The radical ones are the Democrats, whom when in power push for horrid legislation while they can regardless of what America wants. America is gravely concerned with their out of control spending and the spending of the Bush administration. America needs the Tea Party movement and I'm proud to say that I support it and that I gladly voted for Sarah Palin as my VP.
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digs wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

Who are Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Nation, with their rhetoric of even more scare tactics but no realistic solutions nor insights. Truly these "independents" are even more radical than their Republican allies, and it's just a ploy to undermine independent voters with even more entitlement claims.


Scare tactics? Talking about a rising debt isn't scare tactics. Scare tactics are saying the world will end in 2020 due to global warming, or saying we are all going to die unless we pass healthcare reform. They offer solutions, and wonderful ones. Lower taxes, less government, less spending, and real conservative values. The radical ones are the Democrats, whom when in power push for horrid legislation while they can regardless of what America wants. America is gravely concerned with their out of control spending and the spending of the Bush administration. America needs the Tea Party movement and I'm proud to say that I support it and that I gladly voted for Sarah Palin as my VP.
How? With what? And why do they have anything to do with the fact that for the longest time, the Republicans didn't fix health care?

Blaring out campaign slogans without realistic contexts or relevant contents, are what's called scare tactics by definition. Or do I have to teach you how the political science of scare tactics works?

Therefore let us hear it! As in what makes you so sure that the Democrats doing anything will only make matters worst. When the fact is it was due to the Republicans who didn't do anything to prevent this in the first place.
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This is good because some people cannot get health care because they have a disease. I know I have three illness and need to take medication 3 times a day so I if I did not have any thing health care I would not have enough money to buy my medication and I would die.
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One here in the USA have you ever seen a person turned away from and emergency room. Not that you heard a story. As, for medication the free, market has finally became competition with drug stores. Most script are four dollar and higher. But it’s illegal to turn down a person at an emergency room, even in some case they should be. This two thousand page bill passed by the house and congress all back door meetings, which most people cannot read unless you’re a lawyer. Why do unions get a better deal than the general public? This mess is nothing but a government takeover of the health care system. Brain dead people get these half truth stories from journalist if it not a tear jerks it won’t sell. Being Liberal is not bad unless you think other should pay for it. Progressive tax system dives money and job out of this country. Hay the last thirty years of history should make this point and getting government primarily states which approves most this mess let the people decide. Just look at all the foreign government ran health care. Do you really want that? Do some look around the horror stories of not getting a C.A.T scan for six month of possible cancer by the time you get it, the cancer spread too far gone you’re going to die. Do you really want a system that will not have checks and balance and you age your what some low level government worker to say, how much your life is worth. And what about all the people that have good health plane from former employees they will have to drop the But Union works UAW Long shore men. I hope Obama was going to be a change for better not more of the same if not more incompetent the Jimmy Carter.Life is what you make out of it getting a free ride of somebody else hard work is far from being liberal
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Posted 6/8/10

tarakelly wrote:

Private hospitals can and do turn people away in emergency rooms (typically referring them to a public hospital) if it does not appear to be life threatening. It isn't if that health care if free. If the patient can't pay for it, it is factored into the expense of running the hospital. So to a great degree, we already pay for health care for those that cannot afford it, just not in an effective or highly visible manner.

A recent study found that people who cannot afford to pay for health care will often defer treatment of even serious illness. At worst, this results in unnecessary death, and at best, unnecessary suffering and typically greater expense. The fact that those of lower income will typically forgo preventative procedures to save money also leads to greater medical expense in general.

I will have to admit I have not read the massive tome that is the current health care bill, but I have to say what I know of it does not sound encouraging. It basically sounds like mandated health insurance, with no public option that might have limited cost, and a fine if you do not comply because you cannot afford it.

I would have much rather seen it start with a limited approach. If you have your own health care, and want to keep paying for it, you furnish some type of proof, get to opt out, and nothing really changes. If you don't have health care, you pay based on what you can afford, and you get preventative care, and if you adhere to the requirements for that (i.e., mandatory regular checkups and recommended screenings), then you get coverage for major medical costs (i.e, an operation or prolonged hospital stay). Once that appeared to be working, the gap could slowly be closed to assure full coverage for everyone.

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