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Well first of all, you kind of just denounced your validity about your opinion when you said that you find it funny that I'm arguing with a thirteen year old, so what if I'm arguing with a thirteen year old. Does the fact that you're thirteen somehow invalidate your opinion?
Next, never did I once say that I have only been watching Anime for 1 to 2 years, unless I forgot that I said that somewhere, I doubt it because I've watched Anime since I was younger, I just didn't watch it more often until I was older.
Also the fact that you explain that you've only been brought up on Anime says to me that you are mostly culturally illiterate. I'm not saying that you actually are because I know nothing about you personally. It's just the fact that I think you are culturally illiterate means to me that you don't know much about other great writings outside of Anime and whatever your school forces you to read. This is merely an assumption though.
The fact that you think I have a short attention span is pretty insulting to me, I didn't realize that you wanted to delve into name calling. If that's how you want it to go then I would just call you a culturally illiterate person who has no idea what a good story would be like even if it bit you in the ass.
Last but not least, if you think what you wrote is a primary example on how to get a grade A on a persuasive essay, then may I suggest that you never pursue a career in writing... unless you are hired to write an episode of Bleach, if that's the case you should do just fine.

Alright, now that I got that all situated let me get back to the main topic at hand.
A psychological story such as Death Note has great reason for it's monologues as it has many important things that need to be addressed. I have no problems with monologues as long as their relevance is extremely important. Death Note simply needs a monologue to help the audience to understand what is going on. There are often many important things that need to be explained in order to keep the viewer up to date with the facts.

You might go ahead and say, "So what? Bleach does that as well!" From the eight total episodes I have watched (4 from the middle of the show, and four from the beginning of the show, out of curiosity as well as trying to give the show a fair chance to prove to me that it was good.) they explained things that were unnecessary to explain. They would go into long explanations about locations or events that were occurring on scene that were so obvious from what was being shown that it was completely unnecessary to go into long amounts of detail about it where all you needed to hear was a sentence or two to know what was going on.
Death Note never had this problem. Sometimes you would say to yourself during the monologues, "Okay yeah that makes sense." but often it was important to explain what you were looking at in Death Note to understand the various qualities of detail in what happened. An example for that in Death Note is that you would see maybe a dead body that was presented in an awkward situation or fashion that would make no sense unless an explanation was provided for what was the purpose behind the dead body's present state (Remember the episode when Light was experimenting on the prisoners to see what the Death Note was capable of?).
Bleach however would go into long amounts of explanation without ever having presented the main situation at hand. The only thing you would know from Bleach's Monologues is what was happening at that specific moment when you had pretty much already seen what had happened. I heard that Bleach sometimes has Flashbacks to previous history in the story, still this does not mean anything if you can not connect this to the main idea of the story in the first place.

A good story will explain the main idea within the first four chapters or episodes. I watched the first four episodes of Bleach. I got explanations upon explanations but never the main plot. Although the plot was thrown at me very lightly for a short amount of time it did not help explain anything that was happening within the story that could allow me to understand it's relevance. All I was given was, "There is a demon world, demons escape or something like that, some guy is accidentally chosen to take care of business, surprise, the guy has a special power, now he kills demons." Wow... thanks for that well thought out and complicated plot... I can see you guys thought hard on that one... just like the thousands of other mediocre fantasy writers. After that extremely basic set up, they then piece it together by throwing together meaningless battles that can only find relevance by supposedly saving the known world... once again great job on creativity guys... So then what do they do to prevent it from becoming to boring? Well why not throw in some awkward character developments, predictable situations or outcomes, throw in a new big bad villain every once in a while, throw in some long explanations so that our writing sort of sounds like it's good, and maybe have the main character fall into some really lame situations in which he could be in serious trouble... but never fear!!! He will eventually overcome them victoriously! Does that sound about right?
I'm sorry, I see absolutely zero originality in Bleach. It's nothing new nor is it impressive. Bleach's monologues feel overbearing, annoying, repetitive, and overall basically pointless to any part of the story other than the current moment that it is happening.


BTW just wondering but when u say 4 episodes in the middle , like how far into the middle do u mean? cause if u just watch the first four episodes, then skip to the middle it would obviously end up being confusing. also if u did do this then those first episodes would of probably ended up boring you because mainly it's an introduction where there's like no action but thats also like what happended in Naruto also where the first like 10 episodes were all like introductions same with some other anime also. (and I wasn't trying to call u names but I was just trying to say it would of been better to watch more than that many episodes)

and it is somewhat nessary to go into that amount a detail (which I don't really think is that much ) because in Bleach their introducing u to a whole new world, where as in death note all u have to no about is the book and it'll make sense.

and u can't really say a good story explains the main idea within the first four chapters because Harry Potter takes a while to explain it, the first four chapters are introductions the fifth chapter u meet Hagrid and he finds out he's a wizard but everything goes pretty slow. The same happens in the Twilight series also and these books sold way over a million copies .

and also the way u describe bleach happens in alot of other popular manga and anime, where there's usually a happy ending.







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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:



Well first of all, you kind of just denounced your validity about your opinion when you said that you find it funny that I'm arguing with a thirteen year old, so what if I'm arguing with a thirteen year old. Does the fact that you're thirteen somehow invalidate your opinion?
Next, never did I once say that I have only been watching Anime for 1 to 2 years, unless I forgot that I said that somewhere, I doubt it because I've watched Anime since I was younger, I just didn't watch it more often until I was older.
Also the fact that you explain that you've only been brought up on Anime says to me that you are mostly culturally illiterate. I'm not saying that you actually are because I know nothing about you personally. It's just the fact that I think you are culturally illiterate means to me that you don't know much about other great writings outside of Anime and whatever your school forces you to read. This is merely an assumption though.
The fact that you think I have a short attention span is pretty insulting to me, I didn't realize that you wanted to delve into name calling. If that's how you want it to go then I would just call you a culturally illiterate person who has no idea what a good story would be like even if it bit you in the ass.
Last but not least, if you think what you wrote is a primary example on how to get a grade A on a persuasive essay, then may I suggest that you never pursue a career in writing... unless you are hired to write an episode of Bleach, if that's the case you should do just fine.

Alright, now that I got that all situated let me get back to the main topic at hand.
A psychological story such as Death Note has great reason for it's monologues as it has many important things that need to be addressed. I have no problems with monologues as long as their relevance is extremely important. Death Note simply needs a monologue to help the audience to understand what is going on. There are often many important things that need to be explained in order to keep the viewer up to date with the facts.

You might go ahead and say, "So what? Bleach does that as well!" From the eight total episodes I have watched (4 from the middle of the show, and four from the beginning of the show, out of curiosity as well as trying to give the show a fair chance to prove to me that it was good.) they explained things that were unnecessary to explain. They would go into long explanations about locations or events that were occurring on scene that were so obvious from what was being shown that it was completely unnecessary to go into long amounts of detail about it where all you needed to hear was a sentence or two to know what was going on.
Death Note never had this problem. Sometimes you would say to yourself during the monologues, "Okay yeah that makes sense." but often it was important to explain what you were looking at in Death Note to understand the various qualities of detail in what happened. An example for that in Death Note is that you would see maybe a dead body that was presented in an awkward situation or fashion that would make no sense unless an explanation was provided for what was the purpose behind the dead body's present state (Remember the episode when Light was experimenting on the prisoners to see what the Death Note was capable of?).
Bleach however would go into long amounts of explanation without ever having presented the main situation at hand. The only thing you would know from Bleach's Monologues is what was happening at that specific moment when you had pretty much already seen what had happened. I heard that Bleach sometimes has Flashbacks to previous history in the story, still this does not mean anything if you can not connect this to the main idea of the story in the first place.

A good story will explain the main idea within the first four chapters or episodes. I watched the first four episodes of Bleach. I got explanations upon explanations but never the main plot. Although the plot was thrown at me very lightly for a short amount of time it did not help explain anything that was happening within the story that could allow me to understand it's relevance. All I was given was, "There is a demon world, demons escape or something like that, some guy is accidentally chosen to take care of business, surprise, the guy has a special power, now he kills demons." Wow... thanks for that well thought out and complicated plot... I can see you guys thought hard on that one... just like the thousands of other mediocre fantasy writers. After that extremely basic set up, they then piece it together by throwing together meaningless battles that can only find relevance by supposedly saving the known world... once again great job on creativity guys... So then what do they do to prevent it from becoming to boring? Well why not throw in some awkward character developments, predictable situations or outcomes, throw in a new big bad villain every once in a while, throw in some long explanations so that our writing sort of sounds like it's good, and maybe have the main character fall into some really lame situations in which he could be in serious trouble... but never fear!!! He will eventually overcome them victoriously! Does that sound about right?
I'm sorry, I see absolutely zero originality in Bleach. It's nothing new nor is it impressive. Bleach's monologues feel overbearing, annoying, repetitive, and overall basically pointless to any part of the story other than the current moment that it is happening.


BTW just wondering but when u say 4 episodes in the middle , like how far into the middle do u mean? cause if u just watch the first four episodes, then skip to the middle it would obviously end up being confusing. also if u did do this then those first episodes would of probably ended up boring you because mainly it's an introduction where there's like no action but thats also like what happended in Naruto also where the first like 10 episodes were all like introductions same with some other anime also. (and I wasn't trying to call u names but I was just trying to say it would of been better to watch more than that many episodes)

and it is somewhat nessary to go into that amount a detail (which I don't really think is that much ) because in Bleach their introducing u to a whole new world, where as in death note all u have to no about is the book and it'll make sense.

and u can't really say a good story explains the main idea within the first four chapters because Harry Potter takes a while to explain it, the first four chapters are introductions the fifth chapter u meet Hagrid and he finds out he's a wizard but everything goes pretty slow. The same happens in the Twilight series also and these books sold way over a million copies .

and also the way u describe bleach happens in alot of other popular manga and anime, where there's usually a happy ending.



Well I don't like Naruto for the same reasons that I don't like Bleach because generally, Naruto does the exact same things as Bleach.
I saw four episodes in the middle FIRST, then I asked myself what the hell is this? A friend told me to watch it from the beginning. I watched the first four episodes and hated it for all the reasons that I have already stated.
Also when it comes to a story, I don't need multiple episodes to introduce me to a whole new world that I don't care about. You don't need to explain the background in a good story because the plot is supposed to carry you through the background.
Harry Potter explains all the basics you need to know for a good plot in the first four chapters to create a good captivating story. A poor downtrodden boy who discovers that he is in reality capable of amazing things but lives within a horrible lifestyle. The story sucks you right in with a very basic explanation to pull you into the plot and to want to read more and unravel an intriguing tale.
Also, Twilight... really? I'm not even going to address that horrible excuse of an angsty, sexually tense, vampire story. It's horrible. Just no.
For other Animes, I will watch them with most happy endings that have a well put together story and ending. If the anime is crap, I just drop it just like Bleach.
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


kitty630cserena12 wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:



Well first of all, you kind of just denounced your validity about your opinion when you said that you find it funny that I'm arguing with a thirteen year old, so what if I'm arguing with a thirteen year old. Does the fact that you're thirteen somehow invalidate your opinion?
Next, never did I once say that I have only been watching Anime for 1 to 2 years, unless I forgot that I said that somewhere, I doubt it because I've watched Anime since I was younger, I just didn't watch it more often until I was older.
Also the fact that you explain that you've only been brought up on Anime says to me that you are mostly culturally illiterate. I'm not saying that you actually are because I know nothing about you personally. It's just the fact that I think you are culturally illiterate means to me that you don't know much about other great writings outside of Anime and whatever your school forces you to read. This is merely an assumption though.
The fact that you think I have a short attention span is pretty insulting to me, I didn't realize that you wanted to delve into name calling. If that's how you want it to go then I would just call you a culturally illiterate person who has no idea what a good story would be like even if it bit you in the ass.
Last but not least, if you think what you wrote is a primary example on how to get a grade A on a persuasive essay, then may I suggest that you never pursue a career in writing... unless you are hired to write an episode of Bleach, if that's the case you should do just fine.

Alright, now that I got that all situated let me get back to the main topic at hand.
A psychological story such as Death Note has great reason for it's monologues as it has many important things that need to be addressed. I have no problems with monologues as long as their relevance is extremely important. Death Note simply needs a monologue to help the audience to understand what is going on. There are often many important things that need to be explained in order to keep the viewer up to date with the facts.

You might go ahead and say, "So what? Bleach does that as well!" From the eight total episodes I have watched (4 from the middle of the show, and four from the beginning of the show, out of curiosity as well as trying to give the show a fair chance to prove to me that it was good.) they explained things that were unnecessary to explain. They would go into long explanations about locations or events that were occurring on scene that were so obvious from what was being shown that it was completely unnecessary to go into long amounts of detail about it where all you needed to hear was a sentence or two to know what was going on.
Death Note never had this problem. Sometimes you would say to yourself during the monologues, "Okay yeah that makes sense." but often it was important to explain what you were looking at in Death Note to understand the various qualities of detail in what happened. An example for that in Death Note is that you would see maybe a dead body that was presented in an awkward situation or fashion that would make no sense unless an explanation was provided for what was the purpose behind the dead body's present state (Remember the episode when Light was experimenting on the prisoners to see what the Death Note was capable of?).
Bleach however would go into long amounts of explanation without ever having presented the main situation at hand. The only thing you would know from Bleach's Monologues is what was happening at that specific moment when you had pretty much already seen what had happened. I heard that Bleach sometimes has Flashbacks to previous history in the story, still this does not mean anything if you can not connect this to the main idea of the story in the first place.

A good story will explain the main idea within the first four chapters or episodes. I watched the first four episodes of Bleach. I got explanations upon explanations but never the main plot. Although the plot was thrown at me very lightly for a short amount of time it did not help explain anything that was happening within the story that could allow me to understand it's relevance. All I was given was, "There is a demon world, demons escape or something like that, some guy is accidentally chosen to take care of business, surprise, the guy has a special power, now he kills demons." Wow... thanks for that well thought out and complicated plot... I can see you guys thought hard on that one... just like the thousands of other mediocre fantasy writers. After that extremely basic set up, they then piece it together by throwing together meaningless battles that can only find relevance by supposedly saving the known world... once again great job on creativity guys... So then what do they do to prevent it from becoming to boring? Well why not throw in some awkward character developments, predictable situations or outcomes, throw in a new big bad villain every once in a while, throw in some long explanations so that our writing sort of sounds like it's good, and maybe have the main character fall into some really lame situations in which he could be in serious trouble... but never fear!!! He will eventually overcome them victoriously! Does that sound about right?
I'm sorry, I see absolutely zero originality in Bleach. It's nothing new nor is it impressive. Bleach's monologues feel overbearing, annoying, repetitive, and overall basically pointless to any part of the story other than the current moment that it is happening.


BTW just wondering but when u say 4 episodes in the middle , like how far into the middle do u mean? cause if u just watch the first four episodes, then skip to the middle it would obviously end up being confusing. also if u did do this then those first episodes would of probably ended up boring you because mainly it's an introduction where there's like no action but thats also like what happended in Naruto also where the first like 10 episodes were all like introductions same with some other anime also. (and I wasn't trying to call u names but I was just trying to say it would of been better to watch more than that many episodes)

and it is somewhat nessary to go into that amount a detail (which I don't really think is that much ) because in Bleach their introducing u to a whole new world, where as in death note all u have to no about is the book and it'll make sense.

and u can't really say a good story explains the main idea within the first four chapters because Harry Potter takes a while to explain it, the first four chapters are introductions the fifth chapter u meet Hagrid and he finds out he's a wizard but everything goes pretty slow. The same happens in the Twilight series also and these books sold way over a million copies .

and also the way u describe bleach happens in alot of other popular manga and anime, where there's usually a happy ending.



Well I don't like Naruto for the same reasons that I don't like Bleach because generally, Naruto does the exact same things as Bleach.
I saw four episodes in the middle FIRST, then I asked myself what the hell is this? A friend told me to watch it from the beginning. I watched the first four episodes and hated it for all the reasons that I have already stated.
Also when it comes to a story, I don't need multiple episodes to introduce me to a whole new world that I don't care about. You don't need to explain the background in a good story because the plot is supposed to carry you through the background.
Harry Potter explains all the basics you need to know for a good plot in the first four chapters to create a good captivating story. A poor downtrodden boy who discovers that he is in reality capable of amazing things but lives within a horrible lifestyle. The story sucks you right in with a very basic explanation to pull you into the plot and to want to read more and unravel an intriguing tale.
Also, Twilight... really? I'm not even going to address that horrible excuse of an angsty, sexually tense, vampire story. It's horrible. Just no.
For other Animes, I will watch them with most happy endings that have a well put together story and ending. If the anime is crap, I just drop it just like Bleach.

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yaaaa... I agree that twilight pisses me off though...
there's not really anything to argue anymore here though, since most of this is based on biased accounts since we have different taste in anime I guess. but it's still just doesn't sound reasonable to me to call a whole plot pointless because of how the script is written and how they present the story .
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Wow, whats with this arguement ... But honestly, I don't really think Bleach's plot is pointless - But personally, I think the anime itself sucked due to the fact that its NEVER EVER going to end - and NEVER means NEVER. Even though it obviously is NEVER going to end, people still like to watch it and overrate it. Just like Naruto. It ended but do you have any idea what 'Shippuuden' is there for? Well, I don't. I hope I didn't offend anyone, I just really hate overrated animes that will NEVER end. Okay, it will probably end but - when?
Anyways, pointless anime plots would most likely be Lucky Star. Shouldn't these kind of animes just be like 12 or 13 episodes long? Its like 25 episodes and if you watch the whole show from episode 25 to episode 1, you wouldn't think that made a difference. There are really lots of anime with such weird, lame plot. I think I probably forgot most of them since they were too crappy to leave a good impression. Yeah, if no one had mentioned Lucky Star, I think I would have forgotten about it.
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i think that FLCL was probably the most random, pointless, wtf-is-happening anime/manga ever. -_- i still don't get how all the ppl suddenly have robots growing out of their heads...
and then there's lucky star, of which i watched the first episode and went O_o...just plain food randomness there =P
but then all the bleach and naruto fillers also make those animes completely pointless as well...
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Bleach - storyline isn't pointless but as kitty630cserena1 states they just explain a lot, even in the manga all they do is talking and talking (and characters being apparently shocked with that O_O face) wouldn't anyone wish for more actions?? plus, all the fillers just makes no sense - hueco mondo arc to karakura rangers (whatever you call them) to sword arc? a serious 'wtf' going on there...
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What are you talking about? It's perfectly reasonable to call a whole plot pointless based on how a script is written and a story is presented.
If the writing is bad, then the plot is bad. If the way that the story is presented is bad then more often then not, the plot is bad.
An idea for a plot or story is easy to have. Being able to actually write a good plot or story is much harder.
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i think that FLCL was probably the most random, pointless, wtf-is-happening anime/manga ever. -_- i still don't get how all the ppl suddenly have robots growing out of their heads...
and then there's lucky star, of which i watched the first episode and went O_o...just plain food randomness there =P
but then all the bleach and naruto fillers also make those animes completely pointless as well...


Uh, just thought I'd say, You might have not understood FLCL. The thing about FLCL is that the entire show is one gigantic Innuendo. You either get it or you don't. It's all good though if you don't so no worries.
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The concept of a "pointless" plot simply depend on whether you like it or not personally. I could stand here and boldly say that all anime plots are pointless, afterall all they all involve some kind of protagonist battling some kind of antagonists, wow how "pointfull".

That of course, doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. True some plots are pointless but if executed well can still be very enjoyable.

Anyway my own two cents:

Most pointless plot EVAR:Shugo Chara

Seriously how people can like it I donno, it is clearly for 10 year old girls...wait maybe I just answered my own question.
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All animes have a plot, however weak it may be, they all have to be about something. If you can't make sense of it, it's your fault.

Therefore, the more poignant question would be: "What anime do you think doesn't need to exist?"

My answer to that: Fairy Tail. It's storyline is near identical to One Piece, minus the humor. Fairy tail tries too hard to be funny, and the action is pathetic at best.
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gintama has a pretty pointless plot even though its the shitz.


AGREED.
There's also Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, Hayate no Gotoku, Lucky Star............




Yes!Hayate no Gotoku was COMPLETELY meaningless.
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Lucky Star.

I've no idea why so many people like it.


It's because of their cuteness and they kinda act like people on their daily basics

Posted 4/7/10
Yami no Matsuei (Descendants of Darkness) makes no scene of everything. The characters are beautiful but they somehow the heck outta of me and it has no plot whatsoever.
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Gintama. But it's randomness is what makes it awesome
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