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Do you think it should be considered to be a crime to place a criminal idea into someones head?
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This little topic I thought of when working on an interesting concept. If you were to kill or mutilate a person against their will it is obviously a crime and is considered an act of evil.
Still if you could convince someone to mutilate themselves without so much as coercion could it be considered a crime? For all you people who would bring up law immediately here's a better question. Could an act such as this be considered Evil?

Think of a situation like this... You convince someone without saying the comment outright, that you would want that person to mutilate themselves probably with a knife, death is not involved. Is this a crime on your part or better yet can you consider this as an act of evil? Having an influence yet never actually putting fingerprints on such an obvious crime.
Please Discuss out of curiosity.

My personal view, You can't get in trouble for a thought crime, but you would have to deal with your own guilt which is a difficult task on it's own.
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Hm... only if said person was more susceptible to coercion than your average person. And then they actually do it.

You know... people who need guidance throughout their daily lives. The "special people" or children ect. :O
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Hm... only if said person was more susceptible to coercion than your average person. And then they actually do it.

You know... people who need guidance throughout their daily lives. The "special people" or children ect. :O


Huh... Interesting assumption.
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Huh... Interesting assumption.


Well it's like if you're over the age of criminal responsibility and are mentally stable it's only fair you be held accountable for your own actions... you can't say in court "they made me do it" O_o It's assumed that as a grown-ass adult you know right from wrong regardless of what ideas people put in your head.

Whereas if you were to tell someone with severe schizophrenia something like there are indeed people after them and tell them just who, while suggesting ways of doing away with them... you honestly can't entirely blame the schizophrenic.

Um... do you see what I'm getting at?
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:

Huh... Interesting assumption.


Well it's like if you're over the age of criminal responsibility and are mentally stable it's only fair you be held accountable for your own actions... you can't say in court "they made me do it" O_o It's assumed that as a grown-ass adult you know right from wrong regardless of what ideas people put in your head.

Whereas if you were to tell someone with severe schizophrenia something like there are indeed people after them and tell them just who, while suggesting ways of doing away with them... you honestly can't entirely blame the schizophrenic.

Um... do you see what I'm getting at?


True, and yet still to this day Adults with a normal mentality still use that excuse.
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i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no
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i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no


So you believe that if someone is convinced to do those activities by somebody else. The person who did the convincing should be charged for the crime?
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:

i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no


So you believe that if someone is convinced to do those activities by somebody else. The person who did the convincing should be charged for the crime?


ideally and morally, they should..

but of course, in real life, they shouldn't because of how easy it would be to blame someone else.. and how influential someone is... not sure if that made sense, but i think you can understand, right?
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habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:

i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no


So you believe that if someone is convinced to do those activities by somebody else. The person who did the convincing should be charged for the crime?


ideally and morally, they should..

but of course, in real life, they shouldn't because of how easy it would be to blame someone else.. and how influential someone is... not sure if that made sense, but i think you can understand, right?


I see what you are getting at. So does that mean you believe in the thought crime? I think it, I speak it, therefore that must mean that I am going to do it, or in this case, I think it, I speak it, therefore someone will do it for me.
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:

i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no


So you believe that if someone is convinced to do those activities by somebody else. The person who did the convincing should be charged for the crime?


ideally and morally, they should..

but of course, in real life, they shouldn't because of how easy it would be to blame someone else.. and how influential someone is... not sure if that made sense, but i think you can understand, right?


I see what you are getting at. So does that mean you believe in the thought crime? I think it, I speak it, therefore that must mean that I am going to do it, or in this case, I think it, I speak it, therefore someone will do it for me.


no, i don't believe in thought crime, people should be able to say whatever they want, no matter how crime-provoking it is. Also it depends on the relation between the thinker and the doer.

for example, if the thinker declares something online and the doer likes the idea and does it, the thinker should not be charged..
But if the relationship is closer, like in a friend puts it in the doer's mind that he should do a crime, then the friend should be pushed

but as i said before, this is only morally and ideally.... it wouldn't work as well in real life
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Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.
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Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.


how? i can see the promotion of drugs... but what does mainstream promote that is a crime?
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Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.


lol Throw all those evil thinkers into prison eh? Bring down the freedom of thought? 1984 anybody?
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habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:

i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no


So you believe that if someone is convinced to do those activities by somebody else. The person who did the convincing should be charged for the crime?


ideally and morally, they should..

but of course, in real life, they shouldn't because of how easy it would be to blame someone else.. and how influential someone is... not sure if that made sense, but i think you can understand, right?


I see what you are getting at. So does that mean you believe in the thought crime? I think it, I speak it, therefore that must mean that I am going to do it, or in this case, I think it, I speak it, therefore someone will do it for me.


no, i don't believe in thought crime, people should be able to say whatever they want, no matter how crime-provoking it is. Also it depends on the relation between the thinker and the doer.

for example, if the thinker declares something online and the doer likes the idea and does it, the thinker should not be charged..
But if the relationship is closer, like in a friend puts it in the doer's mind that he should do a crime, then the friend should be pushed

but as i said before, this is only morally and ideally.... it wouldn't work as well in real life


So you think that the bad influence should be thrown in jail based on proposed Coercion?
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:

i say that it depends on the crime... like rape, murder, then yes... something minor, no


So you believe that if someone is convinced to do those activities by somebody else. The person who did the convincing should be charged for the crime?


ideally and morally, they should..

but of course, in real life, they shouldn't because of how easy it would be to blame someone else.. and how influential someone is... not sure if that made sense, but i think you can understand, right?


I see what you are getting at. So does that mean you believe in the thought crime? I think it, I speak it, therefore that must mean that I am going to do it, or in this case, I think it, I speak it, therefore someone will do it for me.


no, i don't believe in thought crime, people should be able to say whatever they want, no matter how crime-provoking it is. Also it depends on the relation between the thinker and the doer.

for example, if the thinker declares something online and the doer likes the idea and does it, the thinker should not be charged..
But if the relationship is closer, like in a friend puts it in the doer's mind that he should do a crime, then the friend should be pushed

but as i said before, this is only morally and ideally.... it wouldn't work as well in real life


So you think that the bad influence should be thrown in jail based on proposed Coercion?


In real life, no... it wouldn't work, and way too many people would be in jail
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