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Do you think it should be considered to be a crime to place a criminal idea into someones head?
Posted 3/26/10

Playingfour6andtoo wrote:

This little topic I thought of when working on an interesting concept. If you were to kill or mutilate a person against their will it is obviously a crime and is considered an act of evil.
Still if you could convince someone to mutilate themselves without so much as coercion could it be considered a crime? For all you people who would bring up law immediately here's a better question. Could an act such as this be considered Evil?

Think of a situation like this... You convince someone without saying the comment outright, that you would want that person to mutilate themselves probably with a knife, death is not involved. Is this a crime on your part or better yet can you consider this as an act of evil? Having an influence yet never actually putting fingerprints on such an obvious crime.
Please Discuss out of curiosity.

My personal view, You can't get in trouble for a thought crime, but you would have to deal with your own guilt which is a difficult task on it's own.


hmm the only angle can see you coming from is the Manson case
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So you are just trying to propose it as a moral dilemma? Well if that's the case how could it be handled? You can't just say "You are a bad man." and expect everything to eventually work out on it's own right? I personally see it as, the person who has proposed the ideas in the first place should not be at fault at all. People should be wary of possibilities, but never of action.
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Posted 3/26/10

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:

This little topic I thought of when working on an interesting concept. If you were to kill or mutilate a person against their will it is obviously a crime and is considered an act of evil.
Still if you could convince someone to mutilate themselves without so much as coercion could it be considered a crime? For all you people who would bring up law immediately here's a better question. Could an act such as this be considered Evil?

Think of a situation like this... You convince someone without saying the comment outright, that you would want that person to mutilate themselves probably with a knife, death is not involved. Is this a crime on your part or better yet can you consider this as an act of evil? Having an influence yet never actually putting fingerprints on such an obvious crime.
Please Discuss out of curiosity.

My personal view, You can't get in trouble for a thought crime, but you would have to deal with your own guilt which is a difficult task on it's own.


hmm the only angle can see you coming from is the Manson case


Well actually to tell you the truth, I don't know a whole lot about the Manson case except for the fact that it was a slaughter and a nasty one at that. I was just doing some critical thinking based on things I've been hearing people talk about lately and I just finally decided to ask, "Alright where do you draw the line?"
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Posted 3/26/10

Playingfour6andtoo wrote:




So you are just trying to propose it as a moral dilemma? Well if that's the case how could it be handled? You can't just say "You are a bad man." and expect everything to eventually work out on it's own right? I personally see it as, the person who has proposed the ideas in the first place should not be at fault at all. People should be wary of possibilities, but never of action.


Yes, i thought i said that... It can't be handled.... and I agree with what you said

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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:




So you are just trying to propose it as a moral dilemma? Well if that's the case how could it be handled? You can't just say "You are a bad man." and expect everything to eventually work out on it's own right? I personally see it as, the person who has proposed the ideas in the first place should not be at fault at all. People should be wary of possibilities, but never of action.


Yes, i thought i said that... It can't be handled.... and I agree with what you said



Oh, I thought you were saying it should be handled but can't be handled.

(Btw: Off topic, Superunknown is my favorite album by Soundgarden... good taste in music... lol.
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Posted 3/26/10

Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


habercrombie wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:




So you are just trying to propose it as a moral dilemma? Well if that's the case how could it be handled? You can't just say "You are a bad man." and expect everything to eventually work out on it's own right? I personally see it as, the person who has proposed the ideas in the first place should not be at fault at all. People should be wary of possibilities, but never of action.


Yes, i thought i said that... It can't be handled.... and I agree with what you said



Oh, I thought you were saying it should be handled but can't be handled.

(Btw: Off topic, Superunknown is my favorite album by Soundgarden... good taste in music... lol.


yea, i kinda sounded like that

(cool, haha.. much better than any of any crap that is on now)
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Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.


how? i can see the promotion of drugs... but what does mainstream promote that is a crime?


Drugs, crime, gangster-ism - whatever is 'cool'.


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h4x0rz wrote:

Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.


lol Throw all those evil thinkers into prison eh? Bring down the freedom of thought? 1984 anybody?


More liek, your singing is so terrible - i just need an excuse to send you to jail, freedom of thought be damned!
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h4x0rz wrote:


habercrombie wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.


how? i can see the promotion of drugs... but what does mainstream promote that is a crime?


Drugs, crime, gangster-ism - whatever is 'cool'.


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

Most mainstream rock, metal and rap artists will be sent to jail then.
I for one welcome this proposal.


lol Throw all those evil thinkers into prison eh? Bring down the freedom of thought? 1984 anybody?


More liek, your singing is so terrible - i just need an excuse to send you to jail, freedom of thought be damned!


Wow, that's quite cruel... I like a lot of that music...
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:

Wow, that's quite cruel... I like a lot of that music...


Probably... but doesn't it get on your nerves once in a while?
On Topic: It should be a crime, sorta like aiding and abetting. It happens all too often in India, we have fanatic politicians(eg. Varun Gandhi, Raj Thackeray- google them.) who don't do anything productive themselves but incite riots, hatred, bias and prejudice through speeches and deny responsibility when their followers go on rampage. They get arrested, and their followers get even madder - so they are forced to release them. It's a vicious cycle.
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Age old question: If someone told you to jump off a building, would you do it?
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Playingfour6andtoo wrote:

Wow, that's quite cruel... I like a lot of that music...


Probably... but doesn't it get on your nerves once in a while?
On Topic: It should be a crime, sorta like aiding and abetting. It happens all too often in India, we have fanatic politicians(eg. Varun Gandhi, Raj Thackeray- google them.) who don't do anything productive themselves but incite riots, hatred, bias and prejudice through speeches and deny responsibility when their followers go on rampage. They get arrested, and their followers get even madder - so they are forced to release them. It's a vicious cycle.


Oh, wow. Now see what you just brought up can easily change the whole direction of this discussion. That's really interesting... So that's based on the power of Suggestion versus the power of Hysteria. Now see that's pretty good because that can easily be understood as direct crime with an obvious leader even though all he simply did was suggest the idea in the first place. So then where do we draw the line between thought crime and Hysteria crime (Hysteria, implying that one person as a leader is persuading followers to riot and whatever else.)?
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Age old question: If someone told you to jump off a building, would you do it?


I see what you are trying to get at but I think you're missing the main idea. The point is mainly doing something wrong to appease others for benefit or possibly even due to self interest based on the request. What may be obvious to be a bad idea may seem like a good idea through power of suggestion.
Posted 3/26/10

Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:

Age old question: If someone told you to jump off a building, would you do it?


I see what you are trying to get at but I think you're missing the main idea. The point is mainly doing something wrong to appease others for benefit or possibly even due to self interest based on the request. What may be obvious to be a bad idea may seem like a good idea through power of suggestion.


If someone is that easily manipulated into harming ones self then I find them truly idiotic.
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LosingOrbit wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:

Age old question: If someone told you to jump off a building, would you do it?


I see what you are trying to get at but I think you're missing the main idea. The point is mainly doing something wrong to appease others for benefit or possibly even due to self interest based on the request. What may be obvious to be a bad idea may seem like a good idea through power of suggestion.


If someone is that easily manipulated into harming ones self then I find them truly idiotic.


You would probably be really surprised. Intelligent people do very stupid things all the time.
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Posted 3/26/10

Playingfour6andtoo wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:


Playingfour6andtoo wrote:

Wow, that's quite cruel... I like a lot of that music...


Probably... but doesn't it get on your nerves once in a while?
On Topic: It should be a crime, sorta like aiding and abetting. It happens all too often in India, we have fanatic politicians(eg. Varun Gandhi, Raj Thackeray- google them.) who don't do anything productive themselves but incite riots, hatred, bias and prejudice through speeches and deny responsibility when their followers go on rampage. They get arrested, and their followers get even madder - so they are forced to release them. It's a vicious cycle.


Oh, wow. Now see what you just brought up can easily change the whole direction of this discussion. That's really interesting... So that's based on the power of Suggestion versus the power of Hysteria. Now see that's pretty good because that can easily be understood as direct crime with an obvious leader even though all he simply did was suggest the idea in the first place. So then where do we draw the line between thought crime and Hysteria crime (Hysteria, implying that one person as a leader is persuading followers to riot and whatever else.)?


We have laws to curb hate speech, but so long as the politicians enjoy the common man's support, those laws are rendered useless
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