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What is the deal with Tsundere's?
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Well, not that I can blame you for this stereotype against the Japanese, but it's true to a certain extent.

But besides the obvious inclinations, it's actually a reflection of the direction that modern Japanese society is heading towards. For one thing, the Japanese come from a primarily conservative background. As of late, however, the modern Japanese society, specifically of women, have been characterized by an increased stress on individualism and independence, which reflects itself in the "tsundere" character prototype.

The "tsundere" is a mixture of both a self-confident woman and a conservative girl as is espoused by their cultural upbringing - these two factors of which are both seen as highly desirable to the modern Japanese man. On the one hand, they appreciate a liberally-charged woman who can speak her mind - but they also place emphasis on that conservative girl that meets the expectations of the man.

The dichotomy is what makes the "tsundere" character very unique. It's two extremes in one character, which is pretty much what the whole point in "tsundere" is. As a plot device, you're right in saying that it makes a great character, because there's a notable change in character development as she moves from "tsuntsun" to "deredere". Other characters won't have that great of an impact on the viewer had they not had such a contrasting range of character.

So both sociologically and technically, the "tsundere" is a very obvious choice for most Japanese. It's not "just" a fettish, per se... it's like a lifestyle.


The fetish thing was just a joke (but with some string of truth to it). The key point as to why people (especially males) love tsundere characters is because they aren't obtainable in real life. Although I do agree with some of your points, its true that "tsundere" characters are so sought out because tsundere characters are a mix of 2 extremes. Polar opposite character attracting each other falls under this category too because the general public love seeing the interactions when 2 people with no similar traits are paired up "together".

Lets just say if there was a indeed a genuine female "tsundere" in real life, I'll bet it you it'll be a very (I mean VERY) long time until she can find a true soulmate. No matter how much silly fangirls/fanboys try to justify their fantasy romance couples, in REAL life guys don't like girls treating them like crap (much less beating the shit out of them). It may be immature but we humans (or at least a good majority of us) tends to base everything off from what is publicly seen (eg, people calling hobos the trash of society without ever thinking the reason as to why to became they became in the first place).
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edsamac wrote:

Well, not that I can blame you for this stereotype against the Japanese, but it's true to a certain extent.

But besides the obvious inclinations, it's actually a reflection of the direction that modern Japanese society is heading towards. For one thing, the Japanese come from a primarily conservative background. As of late, however, the modern Japanese society, specifically of women, have been characterized by an increased stress on individualism and independence, which reflects itself in the "tsundere" character prototype.

The "tsundere" is a mixture of both a self-confident woman and a conservative girl as is espoused by their cultural upbringing - these two factors of which are both seen as highly desirable to the modern Japanese man. On the one hand, they appreciate a liberally-charged woman who can speak her mind - but they also place emphasis on that conservative girl that meets the expectations of the man.

The dichotomy is what makes the "tsundere" character very unique. It's two extremes in one character, which is pretty much what the whole point in "tsundere" is. As a plot device, you're right in saying that it makes a great character, because there's a notable change in character development as she moves from "tsuntsun" to "deredere". Other characters won't have that great of an impact on the viewer had they not had such a contrasting range of character.

So both sociologically and technically, the "tsundere" is a very obvious choice for most Japanese. It's not "just" a fettish, per se... it's like a lifestyle.


The fetish thing was just a joke (but with some string of truth to it). The key point as to why people (especially males) love tsundere characters is because they aren't obtainable in real life. Although I do agree with some of your points, its true that "tsundere" characters are so sought out because tsundere characters are a mix of 2 extremes. Polar opposite character attracting each other falls under this category too because the general public love seeing the interactions when 2 people with no similar traits are paired up "together".

Lets just say if there was a indeed a genuine female "tsundere" in real life, I'll bet it you it'll be a very (I mean VERY) long time until she can find a true soulmate. No matter how much silly fangirls/fanboys try to justify their fantasy romance couples, in REAL life guys don't like girls treating them like crap (much less beating the shit out of them). It may be immature but we humans (or at least a good majority of us) tends to base everything off from what is publicly seen (eg, people calling hobos the trash of society without ever thinking the reason as to why to became they became in the first place).


Wow, I'm actually surprised at the feedback on this topic. It's actually pretty well thought out.
Ah, I definitely second the above motion. I don't like being treated like crap and I also generally do not like watching poor pathetic guys on Animes getting treated like crap. Generally I get angry at Animes when the main character falls for the tsundere. The punishment is often much greater than the reward. Personally I think watching the transformation from "annoying as hell" to "cute as hell" isn't worth the watch or attention.
Still, I'm very strange because although I hate Tsunderes, I love the evil genius like characters. It's not like I'm super attracted to them, but they're just a lot of fun to watch in animes. Example: The secondary main love interest in "Ladies vs Butlers" The one with the brunette hair. Can't remember her name but the fact that she did evil things for the sake of doing evil things for entertainment was awesome.
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The fetish thing was just a joke (but with some string of truth to it). The key point as to why people (especially males) love tsundere characters is because they aren't obtainable in real life. Although I do agree with some of your points, its true that "tsundere" characters are so sought out because tsundere characters are a mix of 2 extremes. Polar opposite character attracting each other falls under this category too because the general public love seeing the interactions when 2 people with no similar traits are paired up "together".

Lets just say if there was a indeed a genuine female "tsundere" in real life, I'll bet it you it'll be a very (I mean VERY) long time until she can find a true soulmate. No matter how much silly fangirls/fanboys try to justify their fantasy romance couples, in REAL life guys don't like girls treating them like crap (much less beating the shit out of them). It may be immature but we humans (or at least a good majority of us) tends to base everything off from what is publicly seen (eg, people calling hobos the trash of society without ever thinking the reason as to why to became they became in the first place).


True, many men wouldn't like feeling they're "under" in the relationship, but that's mostly from the Western perspective.

You'll be surprised that the "tsundere" prototype is actually quite present in Japan, but probably not as exaggerated as what you see in the Dramas or Anime. It's not so much to say that she's a pain in the ass - more like she isn't honest with herself, so there's a need to prod her. That's what a tsundere is, after all... outwardly rough, but soft inside.

If you've seen BECK, take a look at Maho. She's perhaps a better prototype of what a real-life tsundere would be like. Of course I understand why all the other anime and drama would like to exaggerate qualities in real life (it makes it more interesting, that way), but you'll be surprised that there really ARE tsundere in real life.
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True, many men wouldn't like feeling they're "under" in the relationship, but that's mostly from the Western perspective.

You'll be surprised that the "tsundere" prototype is actually quite present in Japan, but probably not as exaggerated as what you see in the Dramas or Anime. It's not so much to say that she's a pain in the ass - more like she isn't honest with herself, so there's a need to prod her. That's what a tsundere is, after all... outwardly rough, but soft inside.

If you've seen BECK, take a look at Maho. She's perhaps a better prototype of what a real-life tsundere would be like. Of course I understand why all the other anime and drama would like to exaggerate qualities in real life (it makes it more interesting, that way), but you'll be surprised that there really ARE tsundere in real life.


I'm not denying they don't exist in real life, I'm just denying the typical tsundere characters that are shown in Japanese cartoons. In fact I know someone in real life who has tsundere qualities in her.
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I like the Tsundere characters. They are generally the punchline characters I believe. I guess its kinda refreshing to me if I can see the kind side under all that armor of evil. But yea I will admit that characters get treated like shit around Tsundere characters. I cant really give a good justifiable as to why I like Tsunderes. Like a Lousie, A Nagi, A Taiga.....pretty sure people liked them.

Hmm....my appreciation for Tsunderes just dropped after I listed those names.....God I cant really make up my mind if I like em or not. I wouldnt mind seeing a side character who was a Tsundere go out with another side character. Kinda like em when there side characters.

Screw it I dont know. I just know that Kagami from Lucky Star was awesome and she was labeled as a Tsundere so...I guess I'll say I like em
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Tsunderes are pretty cool~ sometimes..i am>.< hahah:P~^^
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I don't like tsunderes. >_> I go for yanderes. RENAAAAAAAAAAAAA ~;D
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andydono wrote:


I'm not denying they don't exist in real life, I'm just denying the typical tsundere characters that are shown in Japanese cartoons. In fact I know someone in real life who has tsundere qualities in her.


Though what would it be like to meet a real-life Taiga, for example? :P

A character like that would intrigue me, actually.
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I'm done with tsunderes. yanderes are the new art.


THIS!

School Days anyone?

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Tsundere's i have no problem with them 3 o my fav anime have Tsundere. i just hate anime girl that have massive out of this world boobs one no one in world could have it just to unnatural.
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edsamac wrote:



Though what would it be like to meet a real-life Taiga, for example? :P

A character like that would intrigue me, actually.


Taiga I can deal with, but Louise from ZnT...?

Lets just say she'll get some special therapist appointments from me .


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Tsundere's i have no problem with them 3 o my fav anime have Tsundere. i just hate anime girl that have massive out of this world boobs one no one in world could have it just to unnatural.


You'll be surprise how far female go with breast implants and you'll be even more surprise that there are people with natural water melon sized breast *hint think of the word obese.
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edsamac wrote:
It's not so much to say that she's a pain in the ass - more like she isn't honest with herself, so there's a need to prod her. That's what a tsundere is, after all... outwardly rough, but soft inside.



I totally agree with you that's why I like tsunderes it requires a little but more work to get her.

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I like the tsundere plot but sometimes it's just gets annoying cause there have been alot of them recently, and the plot becomes predictable pretty easily it's sort of the same thing that came and happened with those clumsy girl characters too and it's almost like saying that guys enjoy being hit and thats why they always go after those girls
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Just like what the title says, what is the deal with Tsundere characters? They always seem to be popular as a main love interest in many anime stories but I personally hate them. I find them annoying and do nothing but cause much pain and aggravation as a character in the story. I mean if I met a girl that was a Tsundere in real life that was interested in me, I would just call her a bitch and say she's not worth all the trouble. I mean I've seen Tsunderes do pretty bad things to the main character and I just say to myself, "(Insert main character name here), how can you take that kind of crap from her?!?!?". That's pretty much my little rant on that, but I want to know about it from other peoples perspectives. Do you like or hate Tsundere characters? Why or why not?


well I wished to be whipped and hurt and have my balls stepped on while she does me with a strapon... oh sorry i love tsundere characters...
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...uh... I'd really rather not...
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