Collateral Murder - WikiLeaks
Posted 4/5/10
Video of the US killing Reuters journalists and Iraqi civilians released by WikiLeaks:

http://collateralmurder.com/


5th april 2010 10:44 EST WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.

Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.

The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.

After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement".

Consequently, WikiLeaks has released the classified Rules of Engagement for 2006, 2007 and 2008, revealing these rules before, during, and after the killings.

WikiLeaks has released both the original 38 minutes video and a shorter version with an initial analysis. Subtitles have been added to both versions from the radio transmissions.

WikiLeaks obtained this video as well as supporting documents from a number of military whistleblowers. WikiLeaks goes to great lengths to verify the authenticity of the information it receives. We have analyzed the information about this incident from a variety of source material. We have spoken to witnesses and journalists directly involved in the incident.

WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.
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Posted 4/5/10
That's a very tragic story, but there's all sorts of war crimes covered up by the military and media. And I say war crimes because the video doesn't seem to depict a mistake, they were out for blood. That's just the way the world works though, an infinite amount of information has been covered by higher ups in almost every setting for as long as civilization has existed.
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Posted 4/5/10
I'm glad and yet surprised to see this link here on CR! The video is so terrible but so important for everyone to see. Thank you for letting me see it here on this entertainment site. That means a lot!!!
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Posted 4/5/10
Well, the photographer WAS hanging out with people with RPGs and AK's. HOWEVER AFTER he was wounded, they SHOULD have captured him and interrogated him. The U.S. Marine Corps are trained not to fire at an unarmed person. But these stupid ARMY fuckers think they are just playing a video game and trying to get as many confirmed kills as possible. Soldiers especially should lay off the violent video games because then they just think that a human life is a plaything to them.
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Posted 4/5/10
What struck me was the total callus attitude the shooters displayed. They got all riled up after seeing weapons they themselves got trigger happy. But I guess after a while, to some, faces just turn to targets and war turns into a game.
Posted 4/6/10
So much bad news....
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Posted 4/6/10
such bastards... treating life as mere game..and to think that the image of the children could be very well seen..provided by their technology.
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Posted 4/6/10
war = death
war = news
news = reporters

my point being why should 2 reporters dying in a war zoe get more attention the the soldiers who get killed? why? cause there civiliens?

*messed up example* so i cant shoot at a tank thats barreling down on my position cause it has a reporter sitting on it? please... i'd blow that thing sky high just as readly as the next one.

reporters knew what they where getting into when the took the job as a war corospondent

oh... sorry we cant shoot at the groop of soldiers sneaking into out base cause theres a reporter with them...

just ignore the team planting demolition charges on the key bridge cause theres a reporter with them

lets all smile and wave at the camera crew at the artilery encampment thats about to blow us to kingdom come cause we cant shoot at them

well i'm sure you get my point,

yes the loss of there lives is regretable but the long and the short of it is... they knew what they where getting into

Posted 4/6/10
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dis9sxRfU-ik%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded


A little background is given in this one that is absent from the edited one. First off, the Apache's mission was to support that infantry platoon. A few minutes before the video starts, that platoon takes RPG and small arms fire in that vicinity, so the Apache is called up to find the guys doing it. Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hsNUgILqRcy2oq1uFmVilJ1iQeAAD9ET6UK01 the 12th paragraph.

Our video starts. They see a large group of people, all adult males, several of whom are armed. You can see 2 AK's and at least one actual RPG around 3:30-3:45 . Next, they see a man peeking around the corner and pointing what looks like an RPG at the infantryman about four blocks away. Here is the third to last picture that the photographer took on his camera, believed to have been taken when he peeked around the corner and was identified by the Apache.: Ya guys see why the pilots were so nervous? Armed men? Check. Immediate threat to American lives? Check. They get permission to fire, and as soon as they have a shot, they take it. (For what it's worth, the actions of this group of people are very suspicious looking, especially in a combat zone mere minutes after US forces have been fired on. Including having the RPG firer simply poke around the corner and fire while everyone else hangs back to avoid backblast. See here for a slightly humorous example: . Obviously one example does not a trend make, but I'm just bringing it to your attention) Secondly, I have yet to see anyone say that the group of guys with the reporters were NOT insurgents. For extra emphasis, at 30:45 there is more small arms fire. At 31:10 you see guys with AK's and body armor running away from the area. There was DEFINITELY a battle going on in this area, something that Wikileaks biased editing job carefully omits. It wouldn't be the first time that Reuters stringers were hanging out with insurgents for some good pictures. For instance, this picture: was taken by none other than Namir Noor-Eldeen, one of the photographers killed in this attack. Wonder how he got that?
How about THIS one: http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/07/18/losses-in-the-family/

Here, Namir is obviously standing about 10 feet away from insurgents as they commit an act of violence. I'm not passing judgement on him, I actually think it's good to have reporters as close as possible to the conflict, but I'm merely pointing out that hanging out with insurgents is something that Noor-Eldeen had been doing for a few years prior to his death. Anyways, back to the video. At 19:20, someone reports finding an RPG round. At 32:54, someone asks if it's been defused yet, and is told "no, it's still live" Even if everyone in Iraq has an AK, only the bad guys have RPG rounds. The discovery of an RPG round among the bodies makes me believe that Namir Noor-Eldeen was yet again hanging out with an insurgent group looking for great shots. He and the other photographer were almost certainly innocent of actual wrongdoing, but the armed men they were with were in all likelihood some of the ACTUAL insurgents who fired on US troops before the video started. As for the van that was attacked, I'll admit that it's slightly sketchier, but I'll clarify that by pointing out that the SAME VAN is seen AT the engagement site at 00:40 of the full video.

The pilots notice it and mention it as a possible target. And then somehow, by some coincidence, the group of adult men in that van magically appear shortly after the airstrike to give aid to insurgents? That's absolutely suspicious enough to make a case for engaging it. I don't know that I personally would have engaged that van, but I find in totally understandable that they did. Although, the video leaves out a lot of context. Yes, this video is disturbing simply for the sheer violence and immediate destruction. But think about it before mindlessly jumping to conclusions regarding what actually happened that day.
Posted 4/6/10
i only watched the first 6 mins. I saw them kill the 8 individuals. Why the hell would they keep shooting if he`s down? They shud take him in for info... And srlsy, that guy have bad aiming skills.
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Posted 4/7/10
This guys just went to war for murdering...
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titolemming wrote:

war = death
war = news
news = reporters

my point being why should 2 reporters dying in a war zoe get more attention the the soldiers who get killed? why? cause there civiliens?

*messed up example* so i cant shoot at a tank thats barreling down on my position cause it has a reporter sitting on it? please... i'd blow that thing sky high just as readly as the next one.

reporters knew what they where getting into when the took the job as a war corospondent

oh... sorry we cant shoot at the groop of soldiers sneaking into out base cause theres a reporter with them...

just ignore the team planting demolition charges on the key bridge cause theres a reporter with them

lets all smile and wave at the camera crew at the artilery encampment thats about to blow us to kingdom come cause we cant shoot at them

well i'm sure you get my point,

yes the loss of there lives is regretable but the long and the short of it is... they knew what they where getting into



lol i laugh at that America probably shoot even if there was reporter than hide evidence. we know this for fact because they hide this evidence lied and then fucking lied about we help kids no you didn't you sent them to a fucking poor hospital. yea loss live i hate fact America treat lives as nothing. if you in poor country you need money and they have to risk there life to make money not there fault. i watch video and can tell that they holding camera with the scope thing on it because ever seen rpg you cant just carry in go around corner and fire like that. and it was not long enough. prove these people just wanted to kill who care what the cost and where not fit to have that job if i can clear see it a camera in just 1 watch and i am only 15. how do you think those stupid people where they just too ready to shoot. you need people with good eye not idiot who just want to kill. if you had proper soldier who could sue there eye this would not have happened.
this is just one how many other do you think out there not been exposed. we know American soldier they probably done it 1000 of times.
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