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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJm35V2_0&playnext_from=TL&videos=3Td7FNCW1pE&feature=sub

This video is known as "The April 5th" video showing U.S. forces in Iraq, committing acts that clearly are defined as criminal.
Posted 4/6/10
it's like i am really watching morden warfare 2 footage
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This is incriminating, but justified. Here is an article about it http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/.

The soldiers though, and very may have well been fighting terrorists. Civilian casualties will always happen, and if these men did wrong they will be tried with murder in a court marshal. The army has rules. Terrorists are criminals though, the should all be killed.
Posted 4/6/10
Another day at the office, indeed. It's rather common for people to see their grim occupations as being just that. Very few can pull themselves away from a morbid fascination with what they do. In fact, a good soldier generally needs to feel nothing for those he kills since that can only get in the way. Enjoying the killing of other people might lead to some serious problems down the road.
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Weapon-01 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJm35V2_0&playnext_from=TL&videos=3Td7FNCW1pE&feature=sub

This video is known as "The April 5th" video showing U.S. forces in Iraq, committing acts that clearly are defined as criminal.


The entire war is defined as criminal. Indefinite detention of thousands of innocent people, torture and civilian massacres are also defined as criminal, but the US doesn't care about what is and isn't criminal, this is common knowledge.

This isn't anything new or surprising, you can look at US conduct during Vietnam and see there was absolutely no concern for any form of human rights or the Geneva Conventions or international law, people could do whatever they wanted. Starting the war in the first place in Vietnam was a war crime, just like in Iraq, there was no reason for it (that didn't involve imperialism).

Not much seems to have changed in US war policy, the only time anything seems to be done is when people are caught, like in Abu Ghraib. US war policy in general completely goes against international law, you really can't be surprised at what a terrorist state does during one of its wars.
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Yei wrote:

This isn't anything new or surprising, you can look at US conduct during Vietnam and see there was absolutely no concern for any form of human rights or the Geneva Conventions or international law, people could do whatever they wanted.

Not much seems to have changed in US war policy, the only time anything seems to be done is when people are caught, like in Abu Ghraib. US war policy in general completely goes against international law, you really can't be surprised at what a terrorist state does during one of its wars.


well i just love how this shows the us in more and more of an bad state... sigh
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Yei wrote:

This isn't anything new or surprising, you can look at US conduct during Vietnam and see there was absolutely no concern for any form of human rights or the Geneva Conventions or international law, people could do whatever they wanted.

Not much seems to have changed in US war policy, the only time anything seems to be done is when people are caught, like in Abu Ghraib. US war policy in general completely goes against international law, you really can't be surprised at what a terrorist state does during one of its wars.


well i just love how this shows the us in more and more of an bad state... sigh


This video is nothing, the US can't be shown to be worse than it already is. Being the lead terrorist state since WW2 and most tyrannical empire of all time.
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seeing footage where it looks like and they think its a video game just makes me sick as well, sigh people also can not tell the difference between reality of fiction as well...those are real people they are shooting are at... idn
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Yes this clearly shows that the terrorists are the pure evil ones, having fun with killing innocent people.
War is a horrible thing and can NEVER be justified.
Posted 4/6/10 , edited 4/7/10

Weapon-01 wrote:
This video is known as "The April 5th" video showing U.S. forces in Iraq, committing acts that clearly are defined as criminal.
Two things came to my mind as I watched this, one was my own topic of "Gaming Your Reality away to the Masses: The ultimate "monkeys see monkeys do" as the latest "Lucifer Effect" ", and the fact of how the Pentagon socially processed a bunch of individuals into drones, were operating a piece of technology made to kill.


digs wrote:
This is incriminating, but justified. Here is an article about it .

The soldiers though, and very may have well been fighting terrorists. Civilian casualties will always happen, and if these men did wrong they will be tried with murder in a court marshal. The army has rules. Terrorists are criminals though, the should all be killed.

Those individuals were ordered to engage civilian targets, so if anything their commanders have full responsibility with their decision of making that order to engage. For such is the case of the 24 pages long "Rules of Engagement":

Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force). The subject usually has a weapon and will either kill or injure someone if he/she is not stopped immediately and brought under control. The subject must be controlled by the use of deadly force with or without a firearm.(citation)
Therefore, can you quote anything in your source that clearly indicates that those civilian targets, not terrorists, had weapons which makes them a lethal threat to an Apache Gunship?

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Jokes and PhotoShop aside, just what kind of justification can a nobody make?

Asked to comment on the video, a senior military official at the Department of Defense told Fox News on the condition of anonymity that "an investigation of the incidents confirmed our belief that these attacks were justified."
Never underestimate the strategic application of anonymity, when it can diffuse the responsibility of those who wished to remain anonymous.

EDIT: I'll even make it easy for you, here's the full-length recording of the 38 minutes long engagement, while the anonymous senior military official is one Major Shawn Turner(citation). Now get to work.

Military spokesman Turner said that during the engagement, the helicopter mistook a camera for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

The helicopter opened fire on the small group, killing several people and wounding others. Minutes later, when a van approached and began trying to assist the wounded, the fliers became concerned the vehicle was occupied by militants trying to collect weapons and help wounded comrades escape.

The Apache helicopters requested permission to attack the van and waited impatiently.

"Come on, let us shoot," said one voice.

The fliers were granted permission to engage the van and opened fire, apparently killing several people in and around the vehicle.

Two children wounded in the van were evacuated by U.S. ground forces arriving at the scene as the Apache helicopters continued to circle overhead.

"Well it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle," one of the U.S. fliers said.



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Another day at the office, indeed. It's rather common for people to see their grim occupations as being just that. Very few can pull themselves away from a morbid fascination with what they do. In fact, a good soldier generally needs to feel nothing for those he kills since that can only get in the way. Enjoying the killing of other people might lead to some serious problems down the road.

amersfoort wrote:

Yes this clearly shows that the terrorists are the pure evil ones, having fun with killing innocent people.
War is a horrible thing and can NEVER be justified.
Which is why war was always profitable via exploitation of others, and the Pentagon knows that.
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digs wrote:

This is incriminating, but justified. Here is an article about it http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/.

The soldiers though, and very may have well been fighting terrorists. Civilian casualties will always happen, and if these men did wrong they will be tried with murder in a court marshal. The army has rules. Terrorists are criminals though, the should all be killed.


War is not justified in the bible in the first place.
Posted 4/9/10 , edited 4/9/10

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digs wrote:

This is incriminating, but justified. Here is an article about it http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/.

The soldiers though, and very may have well been fighting terrorists. Civilian casualties will always happen, and if these men did wrong they will be tried with murder in a court marshal. The army has rules. Terrorists are criminals though, the should all be killed.


War is not justified in the bible in the first place.
Actually, there were several biblical references in the Old Testament of how kings and lords conducted "holy wars" and even ethnic genocides, all in the name of God; a supernatural being of no real natural relevancy.
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BrylleNoGotoku wrote:


digs wrote:

This is incriminating, but justified. Here is an article about it http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/.

The soldiers though, and very may have well been fighting terrorists. Civilian casualties will always happen, and if these men did wrong they will be tried with murder in a court marshal. The army has rules. Terrorists are criminals though, the should all be killed.


War is not justified in the bible in the first place.


Self defense is justified, murder is not justified, but war is.
Posted 4/9/10

digs wrote:


BrylleNoGotoku wrote:


digs wrote:

This is incriminating, but justified. Here is an article about it http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/.

The soldiers though, and very may have well been fighting terrorists. Civilian casualties will always happen, and if these men did wrong they will be tried with murder in a court marshal. The army has rules. Terrorists are criminals though, the should all be killed.


War is not justified in the bible in the first place.


Self defense is justified, murder is not justified, but war is.
It's all the same as killing off members of the same specie for political gain, you as a biologist of all people should know that for yourself better than anyone. Shame on you.
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What is the exact difference between war and murder?
If a soldier dies does his family not cry for him?
War involves murder and violence, wich should always be avoided and never be tolerated, even war out of self-defense is a ridicilous statement, are you not the attacker when you create a pre-emptive strike?
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