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nothing from this imperfect world could cleanse anything to purity
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Couldn't we say mental consciousness is a kind of spiritual soul-like something or other?
You know, " a rose by another other name..........."Maybe, it's not so much a matter of what to call it.


We could, but why would we? It would likely only foster misunderstanding.


Not necessarily !
You say po- tay -to, I say po- tah -to, it's still a starchy edible tuber, right? Whatever you want to call it, it'll most likely be the preferred way to eat it which differs among people.

You are particular in how words are used, I've noticed-- maybe renewing the mind/soul/spirit/consciousness could help lighten the angst, & irritation of word misuse or misunderstanding.

I'm just having a little fun here, as I was with the entry you quoted, but for the sake of discussion,the variety of names referring to this ethereal, elusive what-ch-ma-call-it which may be within each of us, -this spark, this energy which drives us, a manifesting in each individual life, does not, of course, continue indefinitely, so ...................... as this thread asks, what works for you, what fills your gas tank, what charges your battery,... (get it?!)
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In order to purify your soul, you have to know what kind of soul you have in your inner belief. After all, each human always has different souls to each other. Usually it depends on what they believe and perceive. For believer, prayer and become closer to god is their way to purify it; for non believer, just live their life to the fullest is enough to purify their life; For Vikings who held their Norse religion and Loki, proving they are the strongest and cruelest to others is a way to purify their souls to go to Valhalla; For past Japanese before WW II ended, invading another country to fulfill their Emperor(son of sun's god) is a way for them to purify their souls. There is just many way to purify it that can't be determined by individual. It's depends on the human itself.

However, if you refer to standard purification which is now being implemented in modern society based on Ten Commandments, just follow the rules and law in your society that you believed in, that's the important part. If you can't believe it and instead hate it, you won't feel like to live anymore. There's many people living like that and trying to escape from it until now. And of course, the most important part is love. Either love to yourself, your family, your surrounding, your life or your belief. Without it, a human are unable to feel this life.
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I was really curious & looking forward to the different ways people relax or renew self, but looks like this thread might dissolve in the minutiae of personal definitions, & opinions.
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farmbird wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


farmbird wrote:
Couldn't we say mental consciousness is a kind of spiritual soul-like something or other?
You know, " a rose by another other name..........."Maybe, it's not so much a matter of what to call it.


We could, but why would we? It would likely only foster misunderstanding.


Not necessarily !
You say po- tay -to, I say po- tah -to, it's still a starchy edible tuber, right? Whatever you want to call it, it'll most likely be the preferred way to eat it which differs among people.

You are particular in how words are used, I've noticed-- maybe renewing the mind/soul/spirit/consciousness could help lighten the angst, & irritation of word misuse or misunderstanding.

I'm just having a little fun here, as I was with the entry you quoted, but for the sake of discussion,the variety of names referring to this ethereal, elusive what-ch-ma-call-it which may be within each of us, -this spark, this energy which drives us, a manifesting in each individual life, does not, of course, continue indefinitely, so ...................... as this thread asks, what works for you, what fills your gas tank, what charges your battery,... (get it?!)


I'm having a little fun myself. Yes, I like accurate word use and I also like discussions and debates. Now, it goes without saying that I love discussions and debates surrounding accurate word use. :D


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In order to purify your soul, you have to know what kind of soul you have in your inner belief. After all, each human always has different souls to each other. Usually it depends on what they believe and perceive. For believer, prayer and become closer to god is their way to purify it; for non believer, just live their life to the fullest is enough to purify their life; For Vikings who held their Norse religion and Loki, proving they are the strongest and cruelest to others is a way to purify their souls to go to Valhalla; For past Japanese before WW II ended, invading another country to fulfill their Emperor(son of sun's god) is a way for them to purify their souls. There is just many way to purify it that can't be determined by individual. It's depends on the human itself.

However, if you refer to standard purification which is now being implemented in modern society based on Ten Commandments, just follow the rules and law in your society that you believed in, that's the important part. If you can't believe it and instead hate it, you won't feel like to live anymore. There's many people living like that and trying to escape from it until now. And of course, the most important part is love. Either love to yourself, your family, your surrounding, your life or your belief. Without it, a human are unable to feel this life.


Erm, what? WHAT? If I wasn't concerned about my own health, I would be bashing my head against the wall now.

As for my solution for recovering - all of these:

Rest, fruits, vegetables, multivitamins, a balance of nutrients, brisk walks. Quite traditional in many regards, but truly good health leads to a healthy nervous system which in turn improves health indirectly creating a circle of positive feedback.
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farmbird wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:


farmbird wrote:
Couldn't we say mental consciousness is a kind of spiritual soul-like something or other?
You know, " a rose by another other name..........."Maybe, it's not so much a matter of what to call it.


We could, but why would we? It would likely only foster misunderstanding.


Not necessarily !
You say po- tay -to, I say po- tah -to, it's still a starchy edible tuber, right? Whatever you want to call it, it'll most likely be the preferred way to eat it which differs among people.

You are particular in how words are used, I've noticed-- maybe renewing the mind/soul/spirit/consciousness could help lighten the angst, & irritation of word misuse or misunderstanding.

I'm just having a little fun here, as I was with the entry you quoted, but for the sake of discussion,the variety of names referring to this ethereal, elusive what-ch-ma-call-it which may be within each of us, -this spark, this energy which drives us, a manifesting in each individual life, does not, of course, continue indefinitely, so ...................... as this thread asks, what works for you, what fills your gas tank, what charges your battery,... (get it?!)
In other words, what keeps you going. What makes you feel alive. What sparks your interest. What can you uphold that's even greater than yourself.

In that case, I choose the wellness of humanity over my dead body. And I think empowering the future generation while having a positive expectation for ourselves is the right attitude, when you just can't have fun without love for the social game of life.

However, that being said:

Ryutai-Desk wrote:In order to purify your soul, you have to know what kind of soul you have in your inner belief. After all, each human always has different souls to each other. Usually it depends on what they believe and perceive. For believer, prayer and become closer to god is their way to purify it; for non believer, just live their life to the fullest is enough to purify their life; For Vikings who held their Norse religion and Loki, proving they are the strongest and cruelest to others is a way to purify their souls to go to Valhalla; For past Japanese before WW II ended, invading another country to fulfill their Emperor(son of sun's god) is a way for them to purify their souls. There is just many way to purify it that can't be determined by individual. It's depends on the human itself.

However, if you refer to standard purification which is now being implemented in modern society based on Ten Commandments, just follow the rules and law in your society that you believed in, that's the important part. If you can't believe it and instead hate it, you won't feel like to live anymore. There's many people living like that and trying to escape from it until now. And of course, the most important part is love. Either love to yourself, your family, your surrounding, your life or your belief. Without it, a human are unable to feel this life.
Your comment deliberately left out those who are nonreligious to begin with. Therefore are you implying that those without religious beliefs don't have souls? How arrogant for you to say that, when you need a religion in order for you to claim that so-on-so has a soul.

Furthermore, while you assume that you're now with a soul due to your Islamic faith, this also means that you naturally didn't came with a soul to begin with. So how can you be unnatural yet still be saved by you being one of the chosen?

Therefore while the nature of humanity isn't as worthless as you were taught to believe in, you OTOH just got blind-sided by your Islamic rationality.


farmbird wrote:I was really curious & looking forward to the different ways people relax or renew self, but looks like this thread might dissolve in the minutiae of personal definitions, & opinions.
Not if I can help it by keeping the radicals and the extremists in check.
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DerfelCadarn wrote:

Erm, what? WHAT? If I wasn't concerned about my own health, I would be bashing my head against the wall now.

As for my solution for recovering - all of these:

Rest, fruits, vegetables, multivitamins, a balance of nutrients, brisk walks. Quite traditional in many regards, but truly good health leads to a healthy nervous system which in turn improves health indirectly creating a circle of positive feedback.


Your solution is only good for health, body and physical materials. Not to soul, mentality, spiritual or mentality. There are many teachings that the people would gain their soul to be purified by hurting themselves, like Shia and some Christian who would stake themselves to know how Jesus feel. It just the way of them to satisfy themselves, for the belief they believe in.



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Your comment deliberately left out those who are nonreligious to begin with. Therefore are you implying that those without religious beliefs don't have souls? How arrogant for you to say that, when you need a religion in order for you to claim that so-on-so has a soul.

Furthermore, while you assume that you're now with a soul due to your Islamic faith, this also means that you naturally didn't came with a soul to begin with. So how can you be unnatural yet still be saved by you being one of the chosen?

Therefore while the nature of humanity isn't as worthless as you were taught to believe in, you OTOH just got blind-sided by your Islamic rationality.


What is soul? To me, it's just a word to describe the mentality or behaviour of people. Like, his soul is not pure because he committed crimes. But later, his soul become pure because he repent it, that's my definition of soul in this world. In next world, it would be best described as spirit. And for non believer, to purify their soul, or mentality as I said, just to live their life according to what they wanted to do to for themselves and doing good things to others. That way, they became mentally pure which is affect their spirituality in life.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


In order to purify your soul, you have to know what kind of soul you have in your inner belief. After all, each human always has different souls to each other. Usually it depends on what they believe and perceive. For believer, prayer and become closer to god is their way to purify it; for non believer, just live their life to the fullest is enough to purify their life; For Vikings who held their Norse religion and Loki, proving they are the strongest and cruelest to others is a way to purify their souls to go to Valhalla; For past Japanese before WW II ended, invading another country to fulfill their Emperor(son of sun's god) is a way for them to purify their souls. There is just many way to purify it that can't be determined by individual. It's depends on the human itself.

However, if you refer to standard purification which is now being implemented in modern society based on Ten Commandments, just follow the rules and law in your society that you believed in, that's the important part. If you can't believe it and instead hate it, you won't feel like to live anymore. There's many people living like that and trying to escape from it until now. And of course, the most important part is love. Either love to yourself, your family, your surrounding, your life or your belief. Without it, a human are unable to feel this life.


Vikings gained passage into Valhalla for courage, not cruelty. They fought others to further their existence. It's called the right of war and dominance. Or as Ragnar Redbeard put it, "might is right."
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


In order to purify your soul, you have to know what kind of soul you have in your inner belief. After all, each human always has different souls to each other. Usually it depends on what they believe and perceive. For believer, prayer and become closer to god is their way to purify it; for non believer, just live their life to the fullest is enough to purify their life; For Vikings who held their Norse religion and Loki, proving they are the strongest and cruelest to others is a way to purify their souls to go to Valhalla; For past Japanese before WW II ended, invading another country to fulfill their Emperor(son of sun's god) is a way for them to purify their souls. There is just many way to purify it that can't be determined by individual. It's depends on the human itself.

However, if you refer to standard purification which is now being implemented in modern society based on Ten Commandments, just follow the rules and law in your society that you believed in, that's the important part. If you can't believe it and instead hate it, you won't feel like to live anymore. There's many people living like that and trying to escape from it until now. And of course, the most important part is love. Either love to yourself, your family, your surrounding, your life or your belief. Without it, a human are unable to feel this life.


Vikings gained passage into Valhalla for courage, not cruelty. They fought others to further their existence. It's called the right of war and dominance. Or as Ragnar Redbeard put it, "might is right."


Ah, that's right. Sorry, it often described as killing and looting others to pleased Loki. The Viking's courage were often being demonstrated as invading England's land, though.
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Glock45 wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


In order to purify your soul, you have to know what kind of soul you have in your inner belief. After all, each human always has different souls to each other. Usually it depends on what they believe and perceive. For believer, prayer and become closer to god is their way to purify it; for non believer, just live their life to the fullest is enough to purify their life; For Vikings who held their Norse religion and Loki, proving they are the strongest and cruelest to others is a way to purify their souls to go to Valhalla; For past Japanese before WW II ended, invading another country to fulfill their Emperor(son of sun's god) is a way for them to purify their souls. There is just many way to purify it that can't be determined by individual. It's depends on the human itself.

However, if you refer to standard purification which is now being implemented in modern society based on Ten Commandments, just follow the rules and law in your society that you believed in, that's the important part. If you can't believe it and instead hate it, you won't feel like to live anymore. There's many people living like that and trying to escape from it until now. And of course, the most important part is love. Either love to yourself, your family, your surrounding, your life or your belief. Without it, a human are unable to feel this life.


Vikings gained passage into Valhalla for courage, not cruelty. They fought others to further their existence. It's called the right of war and dominance. Or as Ragnar Redbeard put it, "might is right."


Ah, that's right. Sorry, it often described as killing and looting others to pleased Loki. The Viking's courage were often being demonstrated as invading England's land, though.


They invaded not only England, they invaded everywhere in Europe, especially the Byzantine Empire. Surely that was a way to "cleanse the soul" since the Holy Roman Empire had a formidable military force. Nothing stopped the Norseman but themselves. They took what they needed, then settled down. Perhaps their souls became complete after five hundred years of raiding other lands.
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They invaded not only England, they invaded everywhere in Europe, especially the Byzantine Empire. Surely that was a way to "cleanse the soul" since the Holy Roman Empire had a formidable military force. Nothing stopped the Norseman but themselves. They took what they needed, then settled down. Perhaps their souls became complete after five hundred years of raiding other lands.


Was the Roman Empire lost to Norseman? I don't know the detail, but it sounds interesting. Hope you tell more how great the Norse were.

In topic, so in other parts of the world and in another parts of time, there was a method of cleanse their souls by giving others pain. That's what makes the definition of spiritual purification becomes broader. However, regarding to Norseman, to which God they devoted to? Does all Norse religions holds the teaching to fulfill its teaching by raiding others? Was it for Loki, Thor or Odin? I think the only one who ordered them to raiding other lands and showing they are brave was only Loki.
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Glock45 wrote:

They invaded not only England, they invaded everywhere in Europe, especially the Byzantine Empire. Surely that was a way to "cleanse the soul" since the Holy Roman Empire had a formidable military force. Nothing stopped the Norseman but themselves. They took what they needed, then settled down. Perhaps their souls became complete after five hundred years of raiding other lands.


Was the Roman Empire lost to Norseman? I don't know the detail, but it sounds interesting. Hope you tell more how great the Norse were.

In topic, so in other parts of the world and in another parts of time, there was a method of cleanse their souls by giving others pain. That's what makes the definition of spiritual purification becomes broader. However, regarding to Norseman, to which God they devoted to? Does all Norse religions holds the teaching to fulfill its teaching by raiding others? Was it for Loki, Thor or Odin? I think the only one who ordered them to raiding other lands and showing they are brave was only Loki.


Likely Odin. Loki was mischievous and dark. Thor was the god of thunder, whom fought Jormungand to the death. And I think what the Vikings did never had anything to do with inflicting pain upon others to cleanse the soul. The Vikings fought out of necessity, like so many others did. Some Norseman were more docile and defended their lands rather than invaded people.

Well, that will be enough about the Vikings since it is going a bit off topic.
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Likely Odin. Loki was mischievous and dark. Thor was the god of thunder, whom fought Jormungand to the death. And I think what the Vikings did never had anything to do with inflicting pain upon others to cleanse the soul. The Vikings fought out of necessity, like so many others did. Some Norseman were more docile and defended their lands rather than invaded people.

Well, that will be enough about the Vikings since it is going a bit off topic.


I'd like to talk about their Valhalla, since that's the way of Norseman to purify their souls. If they didn't show their strength, does it meant they can't purify their spiritual? Just out of curiosity.
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Glock45 wrote:

Likely Odin. Loki was mischievous and dark. Thor was the god of thunder, whom fought Jormungand to the death. And I think what the Vikings did never had anything to do with inflicting pain upon others to cleanse the soul. The Vikings fought out of necessity, like so many others did. Some Norseman were more docile and defended their lands rather than invaded people.

Well, that will be enough about the Vikings since it is going a bit off topic.


I'd like to talk about their Valhalla, since that's the way of Norseman to purify their souls. If they didn't show their strength, does it meant they can't purify their spiritual? Just out of curiosity.


A Viking warrior who doesn't die in battle can't go to Valhalla. As for purity of the soul, Valhalla (The Halls of the Slain) is a place where you feast and enjoy the afterlife forever alongside other slain warriors, so it seems to me that purity is of little importance. A Viking who perished in battle was taken by the Valkyries riding a chariot on a rainbow called Bifrost to Valhalla. A very interesting way to go out.
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Ok, my last comment on this subject, for tonight, at least.
Laughter! it's the ultimate spiritual restorer!!!!
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